December 2, 2007
College Football Top 25 Polls - Week 15
The college football top 25 polls for games played through week 15 (December 1, 2007).
Bowl Championship Series Final Standings
1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. Virginia Tech
4. Oklahoma
5. Georgia
6. Missouri
7. USC
8. Kansas
9. West Virginia
10. Hawaii
11. Arizona State
12. Florida
13. Illinois
14. Boston College
15. Clemson
16. Tennessee
17. Brigham Young
18. Wisconsin
19. Texas
20. Virginia
21. South Florida
22. Cincinnati
23. Auburn
24. Boise State
25. Connecticut
Harris Interactive
1. Ohio State (98)
2. LSU (7)
3. Oklahoma (6)
4. Georgia (1)
5. USC
6. Virginia Tech (1)
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. West Virginia
10. Hawaii (1)
11. Florida
12. Arizona State
13. Illinois
14. Boston College
15. Wisconsin
16. Clemson
17. Texas
18. Brigham Young
19. Tennessee
20. Cincinnati
21. Virginia
22. Boise State
23. Auburn
24. South Florida
25. Arkansas
AP College Football Top 25
1. Ohio State (50)
2. LSU (11)
3. Oklahoma (1)
4. Georgia (1)
5. Virginia Tech (1)
6. USC
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. Florida
10. Hawaii (1)
11. West Virginia
12. Arizona State
13. Illinois
14. Boston College
15. Clemson
16. Tennessee
17. Texas
18. Wisconsin
19. Brigham Young
20. Cincinnati
21. Virginia
22. Auburn
23. South Florida
24. Boise State
25. Arkansas
USA Today Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (46)
2. LSU (11)
3. Oklahoma (2)
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. USC
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. West Virginia
10. Hawaii (1)
11. Arizona State
12. Florida
13. Illinois
14. Boston College
15. Wisconsin
16. Clemson
17. Texas
18. Tennessee
19. Brigham Young
20. Virginia
21. Auburn
22. Boise State
23. Cincinnati
24. Arkansas
25. South Florida
Master Coaches Poll
1. Ohio State (15)
2. LSU (2)
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. USC
6. Virginia Tech
7. Missouri
8. West Virginia
9. Kansas
10. Florida
11. Hawaii
12. Illinois
13. Arizona State
14. Boston College
15. Wisconsin
16. Tennessee
17. Clemson
18. Texas
19. BYU
20. Auburn
21. Virginia
22. Cincinnati
23. Boise State
24. Texas Tech
25. Arkansas
Comments:
1st_and_NOLE
posted on December 2, 2007 3:35 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
said:
Hell, just cancel the NC game this year. No one deserves it.
OSU played a weak schedule.
LSU has been lucky as hell and should have 4 loses at least.
UGA got hammered by a weak Tenn team and lost at home to 6-6 SC
OU lost to two unranked teams.
USC lost to Stanford.
Mizz can't beat an OU team that lost to two unranked teams.
Kansas played NO ONE and when they did - they lost.
VT got killed by LSU
That pretty much eliminates anyone from being a deserving National CHAMPION.
If there's NOT going to be a playoff system in place... then just cancel the damn NC game.
Brown Acid said:
posted on December 2, 2007 3:54 PM — 70.112.106.227 — link — abuse?
Amazing how everyone that is trashing LSU is not taking into consideration that we had one of the hardest schedules in College Football this year. And the hardest games were all in a row.
Then you look at the Big Ten, Big 12 and even Pac-10 champs/contenders and look at who they played. Ohio State had 2 big games and came out 1-1. Mizzou had 3 games and ended up 1-2. Kansas was 0-1. USC um...well. Lets just say the Pac-10 turned out to be a one horse shoe again. Arizona St. does not count since they only played USC and lost.
So then it comes back to UGA. They had a tough schedule. They lost to a bad SC team and an average Tenn team. And that sealed the deal. They have been playing amazing and would have given LSU a lot more trouble than Tenn did, which is scary. But fact is they didn't win when they needed it and therefore did not have a chance to play the SEC favorite, LSU. So you cannot say they deserve it more. They played one less SEC game, the one that counts and are now going to be playing in the other New Orleans bowl.
Oklahoma did beat Mizzou twice, once at No. 1, but how can they move up 2 more spots, if they have the same record as LSU. Won there conference like LSU. But played a weaker Big 12 schedule. Baylor and A&M don't count in reality.
LSU may not have won like most of us would have liked to see them, but they won. They lost twice in multi-O.T. games to 2 teams that are both going to bowls. One with a potential Heisman Winner and the other to an NFL stud of a QB, UK.
Bitch and cry. That is all that is left.
Peace.GA Boy said:
posted on December 2, 2007 4:18 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
I am with Redoubt, ESPN can go to hell after that LSU praise-a-thon last night. Give me a freakin break. They should have just sat there, stared in the camera and said, "vote LSU in, not GA, vote LSU, not GA, vote LSU, not GA." Oh wait a minute, that's exactly what they did. Which games in a row are you talking about Brown Acid? FLA, KY, AU, ALA? Yeah we dispathced all of those and you lost to 1 of those. But you are right, we lost at the wrong time for this jacked up system. I really wish they would at least throw us DAWGS a bone and let us play USC in the Rose.
GO DAWGS
cocky01 said:
posted on December 2, 2007 4:22 PM — 66.56.228.57 — link — abuse?
Ohio State has no right to play for the NC game! Man did you guys see that Big ten Championship game last night? It was awesome! Oh wait that's right...They don't have one. How about Oklahoma and LSU maybe? They played in conference championships! Whatever! Ohio state will get embarrassed again on national television just like they did last year to another SEC team. I'm a die hard Gamecock fan but hey Go Tigers!!
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on December 2, 2007 5:22 PM — 75.120.225.240 — link — abuse?
I think that right now everyone is waiting for Ohio State to win their Big 10 conference championship so that they can qualify for the nc game. You know, winning your conference championship is the only thing that gets you to the big game.
ATL-ien said:
posted on December 2, 2007 5:28 PM — 160.10.98.225 — link — abuse?
how many mutha ****** chances these pricks goin give LSU. They were ranked #1 two times and blew it, and been #1 or #2 for half the season, their 9 tiger lives are over give someone else a chance.
*** same for Ku, USC, OU, all been ranked #1 or 2 and blew it so screw them give someone else a chance.
LSU don't deserve shit over anybody the way they scraped and lucked by.
Oh and yeah screw that we won the conference argument because everyone knows Georgia and Florida were the best in the east. (don't care UT beat UGA either)
***Oh yeah and F*** any TENNESSEE VOLS. they were just waisting space in the dome last night. How can't you beat LSU without Flynn or Dorsey.
LSU would of got raped last night by GA or FL
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on December 2, 2007 5:34 PM — 68.225.36.157 — link — abuse?
RE: 8
BROWN ACID,
- TOSU CRUSHED WASHINGTON AT HOME.
- TOSU CRUSHED PURDUE AT HOME.
- " '''''' PENN STATE AT HOME.
- " '''''' WISCONSIN.
- OVER LOOKED THE ILLINI PRIOR TO GOING TO ANN ARBOR.
- BEAT MICHIGAN!
...YES...A WEAK ASS SCHEDULE.
THE ONLY THING I'M THANKFUL FOR IS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KICK TH S--T OUT OF AN SEC TEAM IN THIS GAME. WE HAVE WAITED ALL YEAR FOR THIS.
R/ S&g
Mr2Bits said:
posted on December 2, 2007 5:47 PM — 72.184.95.183 — link — abuse?
S&G-
First off, your caps lock is on. Second, you sound like the suckeye fans last year in Arizona. When will you ever learn. Washington/Purdue/Wisconsin/PSU and Michigan are weak!On a side note.....where are all the WVU/Mizzou fans????
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 6:29 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
I predict that OSU will once again prove that the Big Ten is weak.
Even though i am pulling for them because i cant stand Les Miles and how lucky they have been.
How did Georgia lose to Tennesse anyway? Tenessee is weak. They are the LSU of the east this year and had several lucky breaks.
Listen LSU fans if a late season loss dosent keep you out of the show( Arkansas) nothing will.
the total yardage you gave to the one sided
Arkansas team should embrass you.Your defense was way over rated.
The powers that be wanted you there and even though you didnt really earn it your going.
IMO the only team you have a chance to beat amoung the 4 or 5 deserving to play is the one your getting so enjoy it while you can.
I just hope change is on the horizon.
We lost 4 games this year 3 on the last play of the game. Georgia was the only team that beat us soundly and therefore the only team ill give the respect to from the SEC.
USC,Oklahoma welcome to my world of being left in the cold.You may be the better teams but sorry folks this is college football.
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on December 2, 2007 6:48 PM — 68.225.36.157 — link — abuse?
Gents,
I got a little emotional there on #15. Check..got it.
FYI - I like to bulletize IOT keep my BS blogs easier to read, and I'm not one to pontificate.
Anyways, How soon do we forget kevin? How soon do SEC fans forget that the BIG 11 has owned them since 2002. (15 v. 8..I think)
Last year it was Big 11 x 2 wins v. the SEC's 1. Albeit the one win was huge.
It's hilarious when the media and the red-necks from the riviera bloviate on how weak the Big 10 is.
Let us wait until the bowl season. I'm sure the Big 10 (11) will dominate the SEC once again.
and, more importantly the "Suckeyes" will be ready this time. No Heisman curse this year.
R/ S&G
TigerRag said:
posted on December 2, 2007 7:02 PM — 68.105.158.229 — link — abuse?
I disagree with the statements that no one deserves the NC. I think the problem is that to many teams deserve it. OSU, GA, OU, LSU, etc. all deserve a shot. This would make a great year for a playoff since there is no one dominate team and several really good teams.
TigerRag said:
posted on December 2, 2007 7:11 PM — 68.105.158.229 — link — abuse?
How about this playoff system? 8 team playoff…6 BCS conference champs get in, 1 BCS at large gets in, and 1 non-BCS at large gets in. The first round would look like this:
(1)Ohio St. vs (8)Hawaii
(2)LSU vs (7)W. Virginia
(3)Oklahoma vs (6)Southern Cal.
(4)Georgia vs (5)Va. Tech
TigerRag said:
posted on December 2, 2007 7:22 PM — 68.105.158.229 — link — abuse?
S&G.bulletrain...a healthy LSU team with a month to prepare, I wouldn't start talking smack just yet. By the way LSU in bowl games under Miles a 41-14 win over ND and a 40-3 win over Miami. Should be a great game, I would feel better if we had a DC though.
Brown Acid said:
posted on December 2, 2007 7:36 PM — 70.112.106.227 — link — abuse?
Unfortunately this is going to turn into the same scenario that Auburn faced when they were left out of the BCS title game. With an exceptional USC team and Oklahoma, who proved to be a fraud in the end, in the BCS game. Auburn was awesome that year and would have given USC a better game, but that was not the case. We were left watching USC/Oklahoma play in the now defunct Orange Bowl with Ashlee Simpson's horrific halftime show.
LSU may not have won with style and grace, but this year has proven that it doesn't matter. Before you would have had a serious margin of victory to be ranked higher than the team with almost identical stats. This year is the last man standing and hopefully it will force the BCS forces to change the system. To realize money can be made in a plus one game or a small playoff. That fans will pay and support there schools till the bitter end. Giving the big businesses all the wealth and accolades they think they deserve and we would have an outright NC.
When will that happen? No one knows.
Till then, I hope LSU is the last man standing in this gunfight.1st_and_NOLE
posted on December 2, 2007 8:07 PM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse? said:
How can a two loss team claim they "deserve" anything? How can a two loss team claim they are getting screwed? They lost TWICE!
Hell, if anyone should be complaining, it should be Hawaii. They won all their games but are getting passed over by teams with two losses. Granted, their schedule was weak but the players can only play the people on their schedule. They did. They won.
Brown Acid said:
posted on December 2, 2007 8:08 PM — 70.112.106.227 — link — abuse?
No #34, it proves that if your schedule is weak, your conference is mediocre, you don't win your conference, you have been beaten by the team that is directly behind you and that you never beat the teams in the big games you DON'T GET TO PLAY IN THE BCS!
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on December 2, 2007 8:08 PM — 68.225.36.157 — link — abuse?
#33
Todd B,
YEP. Tedd ginn was incredible in that game.
LSU is a great team, but I like the way the "suckeyes" match up against them.
Don't expect a lot of points in this one. LSU will have Dorsey healed by then. It should be a showcase of great defense on both sides.
the difference will be Tressel in the end. 3 title games in 6 years and a huge chip on their shoulders from the "debacle in the desert" last year.
TOSU 17 /// LSU 14
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 8:25 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
LSU is IN!!!!!!!
tOSU, you guys forgot about Florida last year...
Meyer will tell you that the only team that matches up talent-wise to them is LSU...it has been since 2005...
Bottom line, Vegas already has LSU out as a touchdown favorite...
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 8:43 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
#34...
I've read your comments from the last two days, bud...
I've taken you with a grain of salt all I'm going to...I've pointed out that I joke a lot. I've pointed out how almost no one else has an issue with me, other than during their game week.
But, I've had just about enough of your meely-mouthed detrimental to LSU attitude...
Bottom line is this...LSU had 450+ yards of total offense with their BACKUP quarterback starting on 8 days of prep time, and losing their senior, future 1st round Draft Pick in Early Doucet.
We had Glenn Dorsey at 50%...We had Steltz hurt. We had Beckwith 21 days past a knee scope that cost him two games...
We had injuries everywhere...
Yet, we prevailed against yet ANOTHER top 25 ranked team.
You have a team that finished 6-6, on a four game losing streak, and got beaten by ULM...
You need to shut your yap about this team, and our coach. We have proven-beyond a shadow of a doubt-that among ANY of the probables in that game, we can perservere.
USC lost when its quarterback went down. West Virginia lost when its quarterback went down. LSU won both of its games that its quarterback went down.
LSU won a CHAMPIONSHIP WITH ITS BACKUP.
UGA lost to the team we beat in the Championship Game. LSU beat USC, whom UGA could not beat.
OU lost to Colorado & Texas Tech. Leach voted LSU #1 in the coaches poll!
Deal with it, SHA...
We have 60 minutes and a home game in a raucous Super Dome, and a sacrificial lamb from the Big 10(11) between us and becoming the first program in the BCS Era to win TWO Waterford Crystal Trophies, Designed by ADT...
(In all fairness to tOSU, I respect you guys, BIGTIME...Though I do think that we're going to run through you faster than a Lindsay Lohan stint in rehab...Your defense versus our offense is going to be amazing...I'm just getting my shot at SHA in...and I have to be flowery at times...Please don't take offense)
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:04 PM — 68.109.98.15 — link — abuse?
TE
Your logic is crazy man. Youve been blinded by your loyalty to your team.
Arkansas ran all over you guys. We beat Arkansas in there house showed you how to beat them and you still couldnt do it at home.Georgia killed us. You threw a desperate pass to beat us on the last play of the game and you cant even see that.
You won the SEC and I congratulate you on that but no way no how do you deserve to be there any more then 4 or 5 other teams and you have crazy logic to prove it.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:11 PM — 75.120.227.235 — link — abuse?
Autigerman,
TE is a nutcase when it come to LSU he can't see the forest for the trees.
LSU was at the top twice and both times folded like a cheap bedsheet.
No other team could lose at the end of the season and still be elevated to nc game.
Just goes to show how nutty this season is.
I still think that crazy Less will be in Michigan next year.
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 9:11 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
You can argue that we don't, and I can't argue that you can't, but lemme tell you something...
When we split our championship in 2003 with USC, USC whined and complained about the system...They lobbied and accepted that split NC...Carroll's comments were, "The system is flawed. We deserve to be champions."
The next year, your own AU team got shafted, and Carroll's comment was, "This is the system we have in place. We have to abide by it."
You don't have to like us going, but you better believe we're not going to turn it down...
Do you honestly expect me to say, "We don't belong. We're not worthy?"
I mean, seriously...Wouldn't you expect a "Fanhood Questioning Catfight" to then ensue?
C'mon...
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 9:15 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
SHA,
If we're a cheap bedsheet, then your team went down like a two dollar whore during the stretch run of the season...
You can keep picking at that scab you've got on your crotch from that 6-6 campaign you just limped to the end of, but it's just going to end up being a nasty scar...
Seriously, push away from the keyboard, because the boom has been lowered, and you won't see me let up, man...
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 9:19 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
SHA,
What you should have a problem with is a 4 million dollar a year coach who lead your team to a 4 game losing streak to end the year, who them summarily called up the CEO of the Shaw Group whose on the LSU Board of Supervisors and tried to beg his way back to LSU...
6-6, and you haven't won since mid-October, bud...
Keep on hating...Just keep it up...
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:20 PM — 68.109.98.15 — link — abuse?
NA just a little humble attitute would do.
Quit trying to justify your existance in the NC game and admit the system is flawed.Every argument you give can be countered equally by another team.
Any team in the top ten can beat any team on any giving day.All the more reason to settle it on the field.
Sweet Home Alabama said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:23 PM — 75.120.227.235 — link — abuse?
When a team beats my school I have no problem admitting it. You on the other hand make excuses and try to take focus off your team by putting other schools down and making fun of their coaches.
You're a little man TE.
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 9:24 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
Give your team a couple of years before you talk your sh!t...
I'm on the hot seat? I just told AU that I can't tell him there was not an argument for LSU, though there are compelling cases, though there are compelling cases for other teams, as well...
You are quite interesting in your ability to completely create and conjure up issues on this site where none exist...
I have to make no case...The Tigers are in the game, and you can cry or complain about it all you want, but I'm not going to turn it down. You wouldn't AU fans wouldn't either...
Our nutty coach got us into the NCG, and yours went .500...
Autigerman said:
posted on December 2, 2007 9:29 PM — 68.109.98.15 — link — abuse?
This isnt rocket science and the pattern is already out there.
Copy the Championship subdivision and have a playoff.
They are already down to the final 4 as we argue.Been some great games too. And very little room for dispute, all comes out in the wash.
They take 16 teams, sure to get the best teams in that way.
LSU may be the best team but until they beat OK USC, GA to name a few how can we know for sure.
T-Mac
posted on December 2, 2007 9:34 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
T-Mac is gonna go out on a limb here.
A very short limb.
T-Mac says the SEC will have a VERY good win record in bowl games.
Now, T-Mac thinks LSU beats OSU by 10.
T-Mac also sees Florida CRUSHING Michigan. This bowl may get UGLY in a hurry. Look for FL to score 50-55 points.
The rest of the SEC bowl games look very good as well.
Anybody have any thoughts?
T-Mac thinks also that if LSU had played Florida or Georgia in the SEC Champ game that it would have been different.
Oh, Zenon the guy who got the last interception for LSU...
Isn't he a Saban recruit???
*T-Mac approved this message.
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 9:35 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
I don't think anyone's denying your opinion, AU...a playoff is the ONLY way to distinguish a true champion...
But, we're not giving back the '03 NC...Neither is USC for the one they got in '04, or Tejas in '05, or UF last year...
This may be the year the BCS gets blown up...Heck, Slive said they're moving towards a plus one format (which is a minimum four team playoff) hopefully as soon as next year with the bowl structure to remain in place...
But, until that time comes, if the system we have to devise this championship puts LSU in the driver's seat, then Katie bar the door...
But, I agree...We need to settle it on the field, and not with the Colley Matrix, the Massey, Harris Interactive, and the like...
TE
posted on December 2, 2007 9:46 PM — 70.180.43.182 — link — abuse? said:
Michigan will realize what it missed with the Miles hire...
I'm hearing that the AD over there got jacked around by Carr...Dude basically torpedoed Miles with the "permission" leak, and then got it to Herbie on Saturday about the "done deal" deal, and Miles realized that he'd cast a long shadow over himself, and that he just didn't want to deal with it, compared to what he had...
Sometimes, the grass isn't greener...Our pastures are just fine for Les...
But, Michigan will regret not nabbing a guy who has the experience of speed and athleticism, and has made inroads recruiting nationally, especially in the South...
The Big 10 won't compete nationally until they get the players and the depth from Florida, Texas, and the like...
T-Mac
posted on December 2, 2007 9:50 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
TE, 63. T-Mac couldn't agree more.
T-Mac looks for Miles to use both QB's in the NC game.
T-Mac is SEC ALL THE WAY!!! Go Tigers!
AUTigerman, T-Mac says Auburn wins by 7.
Auburn has more team speed than Clemson all the way around.
Anybody else have any thoughts???
*T-Mac approved this message.
T-Mac
posted on December 2, 2007 10:24 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse? said:
TE, 68. Yeah, Indy bowl.
Not great, but it is a bowl game.
7-6 record isn't what everyone was looking for, but it isn't a disaster either.
If the Bama O-Line can protect JPW and give him time than Bama gets the W.
If the Bama O-Line can't protect Wilson than Colorado gets the W.
T-Mac does think that Tide fans expected too much, too soon.
We all know $4 mil is a chunk, but Rome wasn't built in a day either.
T-Mac thinks Major Applewhite will have some sic plays for the bowl.
3-5 years Applewhite should be a Head Coach at a major D-1 school.
NC Game.
LSU-30 Ohio State-20
*T-Mac approved this message.
posted on December 3, 2007 9:23 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
A few notes and observations from Tony Barnhardt.
• A few coaches, seven to be exact, had Georgia No. 2 on their final ballots. They included Neil Callaway of UAB, the Bulldogs’ former offensive line coach. Connecticut coach Randy Edsall, Texas Tech’s Mike Leach, Georgia coach Mark Richt, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, Tulane coach Bob Toledo, and Notre Dame coach Charlie Weiss had the Bulldogs at No. 2. (See Richt’s ballot)
• The seven SEC coaches who vote in the poll all had Georgia in their top five. All but one, Georgia’s Richt, had LSU in their final top two: Mississippi State’s Sylvester Croom (LSU 2, Georgia 3), Tennessee’s Phillip Fulmer (LSU 2, Georgia 4), LSU’s Les Miles (LSU 1, Georgia 3), Ole Miss’s Houston Nutt (LSU 2, Georgia 3), Georgia’s Richt (Georgia 2, LSU 3), South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier (LSU 2, Georgia 4), Auburn’s Tommy Tuberville (LSU 1, Georgia 5).
• Coaches tend to follow the party line and 54 of the 60 had Ohio State No. 1 or No. 2 on their ballots. But there is some skepticism about the Buckeyes, (11-1) and their soft schedule. Six coaches had Ohio State No. 3 or lower. Mario Cristobal of Florida International had Ohio State No. 6 while Auburn’s Tuberville had the Buckeyes at No. 5.
• Eleven coaches, including Florida State’s Bobby Bowden, North Carolina’s Butch Davis, and Auburn’s Tuberville, had LSU No. 1.
• Not surprisingly, Frank Beamer, whose Virginia Tech team was drilled 48-7 in Baton Rouge on Sept. 8, had LSU No. 1 in his final ballot. He had his own team, the ACC champion, ranked No. 2, and Georgia sixth.
• LSU coach Les Miles had his team No. 1 and Ohio State No. 2 with Georgia No. 3.
• South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier voted his buddy, Bob Stoops of Oklahoma, No. 1 in his final ballot. He had LSU No. 2, Virginia Tech No. 3 and Georgia No. 4.
• Stoops, understandably, had his team ranked No. 1 after beating Missouri twice this season. He had three Big 12 teams in his top four (Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas). He had LSU at No. 6.
• 40 of the 60 coaches who vote in the poll had LSU No. 1 or No. 2 on their ballots.
• Somebody at Georgia made Wyoming’s Joe Glenn mad at some point. He had Georgia No. 10 on his ballot.
• You got to give the Big Ten coaches credit for one thing. They all stick together. Seven of them vote in the poll and they all had Ohio State No. 1, even Michigan’s Lloyd Carr, who has announced his retirement.
• Hal Mumme of New Mexico State continues to be our resident contrarian in the coaching fraternity. He had undefeated Hawaii No. 1 on his ballot.
jonsey said:
posted on December 3, 2007 9:32 AM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
I call BS!!!!!! OU did go to the NC championship game without winning their Conference. Why Can't GA? damn, the SEC seems like it gets screwed over every other year by this damn BCS. Auburn did in 2004. i have to admit, a playoff might damage the NCAA, but i don't think a plus one will. im just tired of The conference i love gettin F#$%ed.
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 9:45 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
The whole thing ended up being a farce. You got two teams that have backed into the championship game. How in the world does LSU get in from #7 to #2 - with a lucky win over a average Tennessee team? Meanwhile, Oklahoma (the best team in the country), completely blasts the #1 team in the country, and as usual, gets left out.
How bout these three steller BCS invites: Illinois? Say what? Hawaii? The best win is over a 4-9 Washington team (who is last in the PAC-10 and beat Boise State) and played the weakest schedule in the whole country. How bout Kansas? Over Missouri, who just kicked their azzez last week, and only lost to Oklahoma all year and finished 11-2? BTW, Kansas played the 117th worst schedule in college football and lost to the only good team they played (Missouri). Missouri meanwhile, beat both Illinois and Kansas, and is left out. Back to Illinois. Is there some rule that says the Big 10 gets a team in the Rose Bowl if their top team plays for the NC? If so, why were two 11-1 Pac 10 teams left out while USC played for the NC? Something is wrong here.
Once again, it's the Pac-10 that gets hosed down, as a 10-2 Arizona State team (only losses to Oregon and USC playing at the top of their games, gets left out for teams like Kansas, Hawaii and Illinois. BTW, Arizona State demolished a Colorado team that beat Oklahoma that beat Missouri that beat Kansas. Missouri gets hosed down also. How do you go from #1 to not getting in? Help me here!
These teams are all better than the three (Hawaii, Kansas, Illinois) that I have mentioned: Missouri (11-2), Arizona State (10-2), South Florida (9-3), Cincinnati (9-3), Boston College (10-3) and Clemson (9-3). How in the world did they put these teams in there? I can't even follow the money on these boneheaded decisions.
Wouldn't Arizona State vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta make more dough? Am I missing something here? There is a good chance that that game doesn't sell out. If I'm a native of Tempe - I flat out refuse to attend this game or even watch it. Oklahoma will flat out destroy West Virginia in this game. This is the worst matchup possible for WV. This is very bad for the Big East. As a Trojan - I will not be attending the Rose Bowl to watch the Trojans destroy Illinois. This is the worst slap in the face possible. We wanted a real team out here. Now, I understand that we could not get Georgia after LSU was picked for the NC game, but Illinois? Come on! Get real! They had a nice recruiting class and their freshmen were able to do well in the Big 10 - but they are way out of their league here. This will be a laugher and Ohio State is very fortunate that they did not end up here. They have a shot against LSU. How bout Georgia getting Hawaii in the Sugar? Can they send the Sugar any easier teams than they have in the last two years? Notre Dame and now Hawaii? Why play the game? I only can hope that Hawaii pulls the upset of the century. What a terrible matchup! And, Virginia Tech gets to pound Kansas into oblivion. That defense of the Hokies is gonna kill this team. These are some really great games! I can't even beleive this crap! What a total disappointment. I'll bitch more later.Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 9:52 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
jonsey:
Say again? The SEC got hosed again by LSU backing into the back door? I can't quite follow? Oh, you mean that Georgia and LSU should be playing for all the marbles, right? Oh, I see. No homerism here!
Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 10:28 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
OU-Ron:
I'll tell you what pisses me off more than anything. The BCS has never seen fit to put one of their precious SEC teams up against any PAC-10 team at any time in any year. They had a perfect opportunity to do so this year (Georgia vs USC), but they had to move LSU all the way from #7 to #2, because of a lackluster win over a Tennessee team that California (six Pac-10 losses) blew out.
Clearly, without Bradford being knocked unconcious and DeMarco Murray dislocating his kneecap, Oklahoma does not lose to Texas Tech. Regardless, they recover nicely, and totally destroy Oklahoma State and Missouri.
Now, as you know, I am really partial to my Trojans. And, for me, it's all about speed and size. When I look at a team - that's what I am looking at. And, this Oklahoma team is the only team that I have seen in the last few years (other than 2005 Texas), that can rival Southern Cal for those two qualities. I believe that Oklahoma would destroy both LSU and Ohio State. That is the team that should be playing. LSU has not been playing well for some time now. Matt Flynn has been playing so bad that they have had to turn to Ryan Perrilloux. The offense has no imagination and will play right into what Ohio State is good at (stuffing the run). Hester isn't going anywhere against Ohio State and LSU better figure something out. I got news for the SEC'ers out there: this LSU team is not as good as the team they fielded last year and this Ohio State team is better. Now, before you all start whinin', remember, I'm not missin' on too many of these lately. I also know that LSU has that terrible OC that Oregon got rid of last year - that is why the Oregon offense exploded this year. They don't have an Urban Meyer puttin' the game plan together for this one. So, before you all start yappin', you better take a real good look at this game. I mean, don't bet the farm on LSU or make any bets involving your sisters. This isn't Tennessee or Arkansas your gonna be playing against this time.Tommie Trojan
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 3, 2007 10:54 AM — 216.46.213.88 — link — abuse?
USC vs Stanford.........just going to be another blowout..............Appalachian vs Michigan.............just another blowout.............Alabama vs UL Monroe............Just another blowout............Oklahoma vs Colorado.........just another blowout............West virginia vs Pittsburg...........just another blowout..............Ohio State vs illinois.............just another blowout...............USC vs illinos???????????
This just in........The Florida Gators officially accepted their invite to the Capital one bowl and instantly declared victory over Michigan......they will arrive at the stadium on Jan 1 in their Cap one bowl champions T-shirts and collect their hardware..........
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 10:55 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
jonsey:
I can't even begin to explain to you how fortunate that Georgia is to be going to the Sugar Bowl to play a Hawaii team that doesn't even belong in the BCS. Your alternative might have been to end up in the Rose Bowl. That would have been the worst thing that would have ever happened to the SEC. So, count your lucky stars, although there really isn't any luck involved.
Tommie Trojan
gatorhippy
posted on December 3, 2007 11:10 AM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
MGB (#78):
The Florida Gators officially accepted their invite to the Capital one bowl and instantly declared victory over Michigan...
Huh...
Where'd you hear that from?
Because the only thing I'm seeing has Meyer and the Gators coming off very humbly and praising the "traditon rich" Wolverines and Coach Carr along with how lucky and thankful the Gators are to be playing on the cusp of the BCS...
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 11:29 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Kevin:
That's funny! Hey, I missed the controversy by a mile though. I had claimed that there might be about eight one-loss teams that could all stake a claim at the end of this one. You said - no way! Your right and I'm wrong! There are several two-loss teams instead that could make the claim now and others. All these teams can gripe: Virginia Tech (11-2), Kansas (11-1), Southern Cal (10-2), Arizona State (10-2), Georgia (10-2), Hawaii (12-0), Oklahoma (11-2) and even Missouri (11-2). That makes about ten teams that were in contention. Anyway, I was entirely way off base on this.
Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 12:39 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy:
Georgia never got to play LSU and Kansas never got to play Oklahoma. I get your jist. Your saying that if you didn't win the conference championship - then you have no bitch. But, you do have a bitch if you were not scheduled to play the conference champion.
Tommie Trojan
Autigerman said:
posted on December 3, 2007 12:39 PM — 129.61.46.60 — link — abuse?
Leave it to a Gator to leave out UGA.
And dont give me that line of they didnt win the conference either.Thats not a rule to get in.
They were ranked 4 going in 1-2 lost Ohio State moved up without playing and Georgia got jumped.
BCS never counted on 1-2 loosing but UGA was put ahead of LSU for a reason.
gatorhippy
posted on December 3, 2007 12:53 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
AUtigerman (#85):
While my hatred for the Dawgs is possibly not even second to the Noles...
My feelings that UGA has no gripe is NOT a reflection of that...
However, while not a "rule", winning the conference has an infinite amount to do with exactly which teams are more deserving when placed side by side...
UGA was not good enough to win their division and get their shot at playing for the conference championship due to early season losses...
The reason they got jumped was similiar to why Michigan got jumped by Florida last season...
The fact that LSU played and WON an extra game which happened to be for the conference title doomed the Dawgs...
Bottom line is that the Dawgs should have taken care of business early but didn't...
posted on December 3, 2007 1:34 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Being a fan of the SEC, it's going to seem strange what I'm about to say. LSU shouldn't be in the title game and Georgia has no beef getting left out.
Obviously, losing late in the season no longer has an effect on BCS rankings. However, I think that Oklahoma has a superior claim over LSU, having just dismantled the #1 team in the country.
Georgia is where it's at because of a technicality, that technicality being that they didn't win their conference. Sorry, I'm a believer in the conference championship, and if you're going around talking about "Georgia didn't even get a chance to play LSU", you're an idiot. They did have a chance to play LSU, they just failed to take advantage of it.
The mechanism is in place for every team in one of these conferences that have a championship game for any team to win it, regardless if they don't play one particular team or two in the conference.
Where was all this love for "the strongest conference in the country" for Auburn in 2004? Sure would've been nice to have.
Biggest choke job of the year? West Virginia. I actaully watched most of that game. 28 point favorites and you walk into the NC game. Natural selection in the college football world strikes again.
posted on December 3, 2007 1:35 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Being a fan of the SEC, it's going to seem strange what I'm about to say. LSU shouldn't be in the title game and Georgia has no beef getting left out.
Obviously, losing late in the season no longer has an effect on BCS rankings. However, I think that Oklahoma has a superior claim over LSU, having just dismantled the #1 team in the country.
Georgia is where it's at because of a technicality, that technicality being that they didn't win their conference. Sorry, I'm a believer in the conference championship, and if you're going around talking about "Georgia didn't even get a chance to play LSU", you're an idiot. They did have a chance to play LSU, they just failed to take advantage of it.
The mechanism is in place for every team in one of these conferences that have a championship game for any team to win it, regardless if they don't play one particular team or two in the conference.
Where was all this love for "the strongest conference in the country" for Auburn in 2004? Sure would've been nice to have.
Biggest choke job of the year? West Virginia. I actaully watched most of that game. 28 point favorites and you walk into the NC game. Natural selection in the college football world strikes again.
posted on December 3, 2007 1:35 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Being a fan of the SEC, it's going to seem strange what I'm about to say. LSU shouldn't be in the title game and Georgia has no beef getting left out.
Obviously, losing late in the season no longer has an effect on BCS rankings. However, I think that Oklahoma has a superior claim over LSU, having just dismantled the #1 team in the country.
Georgia is where it's at because of a technicality, that technicality being that they didn't win their conference. Sorry, I'm a believer in the conference championship, and if you're going around talking about "Georgia didn't even get a chance to play LSU", you're an idiot. They did have a chance to play LSU, they just failed to take advantage of it.
The mechanism is in place for every team in one of these conferences that have a championship game for any team to win it, regardless if they don't play one particular team or two in the conference.
Where was all this love for "the strongest conference in the country" for Auburn in 2004? Sure would've been nice to have.
Biggest choke job of the year? West Virginia. I actually watched most of that game. 28 point favorites and you walk into the NC game. Natural selection in the college football world strikes again.
jonsey said:
posted on December 3, 2007 1:53 PM — 167.197.127.130 — link — abuse?
Spartacus/Tommie T
let the all that hot air out of your condum.
WTF are you talking about. i never even mentioned LSU in my post.I was directing my post towards the fact GA is a very good team this late in the season. Oklahoma got in the NC game without winning their conference. if they did it, why not GA?
you can just shut the F%$k up for all i care. Media tried to put MIchigan and Ohio state in the championship last year, with all the crazy sh1t happening this year, LSU and GA in the NC wouldn't be that surprising. Love to see it.
Trojans suck even though they got one of the best quarterbacks (form Lousianna)
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 2:02 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
WEA:
While I appreciate your attempt at trying to be fair - you have to keep in mind that LSU beat more Top 25 and Top 10 opponents than any other team. They certainly do deserve to be in the game. It's the way that the voters moved them from #7 back down to #2 that has people upset. Fact is: they should never have been dropped to #7 to begin with. That was Darren McFadden who blew them up and he can do that to anyone. LSU has been winning ugly, and that hasn't helped, but they still have won the Big games more than any other team this year - with no style points of late I might add.
There have been a couple of absurd situations where a team has lost the Conference Championship game and turned around and played for the NC. That's akin to Missouri getting smashed by Oklahoma and then Missouri getting picked to play in the game just because they were #1. Georgia did not lose in a conference championship game even. So, their stance seems to possibly have some merit. All they have been doing lately is winning games. Yes, Georgia should have beaten Tennessee. I can't go with Georgia because they lost to Tennessee who lost to LSU. I can't get Georgia over LSU for that reason. But, I can't get Kansas over Missouri either. What the hell would I know.Tommie Trojan
Spartacus
posted on December 3, 2007 2:09 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
jonsey:
Somebody beat you with a "stupid stick"? Your bitchin' that the SEC got "ripped off" on the NC game. Don't you understand that LSU is in it? Or, are you not aware that they play in the SEC? You don't have to mention LSU - I did, dumbazz! Now, tell us all again how the SEC got "jobbed". Or, do you really think that a team that lost to Tennessee who lost to LSU - deserves to be in the game instead of LSU? If you do, then maybe you ought to quit drinkin' that swamp water boy, cause there seems to be some mighty dangerous chemicals in that stuff. Let me hear some more of your dumbazz redneck hillbilly BS.
Tommie Trojan
FromUVM said:
posted on December 3, 2007 2:20 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
This has been a crazy year for sure. Who deserves to be in the NC game? Yeah, there will be NO consensus that agrees. There are too many teams who deserve a crack at it considering how this season has gone.
However, anyone who feels that UGA should go MUST have also thought that the NC game last year should have been tOSU vs Michigan. Same scenario. Michigan was #2 before Florida won the SEC Championship. Not saying that UGA has no complaint, but if they should go you should have been complaining about last year as well, unless you are biased.
Personally I think the BCS is crap. I would be fine with the BCS determining 8 or more teams that made a playoff, but NO WAY can it determine the absolute best two teams for a NC game. It really should be the 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at large. This year that would put Georgia and Hawaii in as the at-large bids.
VTBobb
posted on December 3, 2007 2:52 PM — 74.1.112.66 — link — abuse? said:
@FromUVM, Close, but I would have the 6 "BCS Conferences" Champs (that's a misnomer, just ask Boise State) get a buy week, with 4 at large teams the weekend after the Conference Championship games. If done early enough, the loosers of the first 2 rounds could still be allowed to go to a bowl game.
Also, someone please tell me why one of the arguments AGAINST a playoof is not wanting to extend the season too long, yet didn't the NCAA just change the rule to allow 12 regular season games? Why not drop back to 11 and use a week for the playoffs?
It's pretty obvious to me that with increased parity (man I'm getting tired of typing that word), the MORE GAMES you add to the regular season, the MORE UPSETS you will have, and therefore the more muddled the picture at the end of the year. Once again, another rule change the NCAA enacted that makes some type of playoff system MORE NECESSARY!!
Todd B said:
posted on December 3, 2007 3:28 PM — 75.60.199.210 — link — abuse?
I think the conferences that have championship games needs to do away with them. They are just hurting themselves. You play a team once during the season and beat them then have to turn around and play them again. If I was running the Big 12 I would have made a decision to do away with the conference championship to get Missouri in just to tick all the voters off.
posted on December 3, 2007 3:40 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Tommie: Sorry, man, it's just the tradionalist in me that says that teams that lose later are SOL. Perhaps times have changed, but nobody notified me that they changed the unwritten rules.
LSU lost 2 games and almost lost 3. Have you heard the spin coming from the LSU AD & company? "We didn't lose those games in regulation play, we lost in OT." Hey Bertman, another Clinton is going to need a good press secretary here soon...
8-team playoff? I'm all for LSU being in it. 1-game playoff? Nope!
posted on December 3, 2007 4:07 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Todd B: Yes, yes, down with all that competition, and up with mediocrity. Let's have multiple conference champions, and while we're at it, let's forgo all that money and TV exposure.
We don't want a playoff system, and since having a conference championship game for all BCS conferences is a step in that direction, let's nip it in the bud before it spreads like the clap in a Phillipino whorehouse.
Curse the SEC for starting these shenanigans!
TampaGator said:
posted on December 3, 2007 4:34 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
WEA/#: 88-90:
Good to see you finally got triple posted (since you give others so much crap for it!) :)
Good post(s).
I think LSU got nod over OU based on history. OU got pasted in two (2) previous NC games; SEC Champion ALWAYS makes a good showing--without exception.
That said, I predict OSU will beat LSU.
...nothing to do with talent, coaching, game planning, chip on shoulder, detraction...
...nope: one simpe factor: LSU is ranked #2, and this season, that has been a death sentence.
...I think I may even wager some funds on it...
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!
posted on December 3, 2007 4:52 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
T-Gator: Yea, I do give a lot of crap about the multiple postings. But this time when I got error messages, or the server got stuck, I back-tracked, then hit refresh to see if it showed up. When it didn't, then I tried again. Oh well. First time it's gotten me like that.
Quite frankly, there's not one team out there that's got a clear-cut case for being in the title game. About 8 of them come close, and those are the one's I'd like to see in a playoff.
Zac said:
posted on December 3, 2007 5:20 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Yo, Mr2Bits (Posts 16 & 19), here's a proud WVU fan, ready and willing to take his licks. In fact, 1st & Nole was kind enough to leave WVU out in his "No one deserves it..." argument. I disagree with Pitt/WVU being the biggest upset this year, but I do agree with that game having had the most on the line. War Eagle was right; that was the worst choke job I've witnessed as a WVU fan. This one hurts a lot more than Miami's blocked punt for a game winning TD back in '96.
GatorH, I disagree with Post 83. I love my Mountaineers, but after the way they played Pitt, I'd have to place them in with the "Teams that have NO complaint on being left out..."
I can say with accuracy; I know how OSU fans feel. I here-by dub OSU this year's WVU. Last season there was a lot of rhetoric over WVU's "weak" schedule. So, no one's giving the Buckeyes a chance in New Orleans over LSU. In 2005, nobody gave WVU a chance over SEC Champ, GA, in Atlanta either. As wacky as this season has been, don't be surprised to see OSU blow LSU completely out of the Big Easy.
I will admit this much; if ever there was a year which justified a play-off, this is it. Consider this scenario based upon an average of the above polls:
1. OSU
2. LSU
3. OK
4. GA
5. VA Tech
6. USC
7. MO
8. KS
9. WVU
10. HIPreliminary Round:
HI at MO; WVU at KS
1st Round:
Cotton Bowl - OSU vs. KS/WVU winner, Sugar Bowl: LSU vs. HI/MO winner, Rose Bowl - USC vs. OK, Gator Bowl - VA Tech vs. GA
2nd Round:
Orange Bowl - Gator Bowl winner vs. Cotton Bowl winner
Fiesta Bowl - Rose Bowl winner vs. Sugar Bowl winner
BCS Championship Round:
Fiesta Bowl Winner vs. Orange Bowl winner
Pheeew, that's enough for now. Time to take a break.
Spartacus
posted on December 4, 2007 10:58 AM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
jonsey:
But Georgia gets the task of takin' down that Hawaii team - and somebody has got to do it. The real joke is if Hawaii beats a BCS team and can claim the National Championship. Georgia gets the job of "defenders of all that is right and good in the universe". LSU stands in the way of Ohio State "regaining it's honor". I'll tell you what I really think. I don't like the fact that a conference is limited to only two teams. I thought that the SEC should have been able to send LSU, Georgia and Florida. Also, until there is a playoff system, this whole BCS thing is a bunch of BS - period! It's still a "mythical National Championship". If Georgia beats Hawaii and finishes out at 11-2 you can claim that Georgia is the "best team in the country" - and who could ever dispute that? You can take it, dude. There isn't anyway to prove otherwise unless Georgia loses to Hawaii. But then, Hawaii can claim that crown. I don't think the two best teams are in the Title game. I think that there is a minimum of six different teams that could have been in that game (Georgia is one of them). All I can say is that Georgia should not have lost to Tennessee, even though we all kniow, that Georgia is the better team. Do you really think that Stanford is better than Southern Cal? Of course not, but for one day, they were. The Trojans should have beaten that team. They did not and cannot play for the NC. But, I maintain that they are playing as well as any team right now. So is Georgia. LSU is not playing well and I'm not sure if Ohio State is back on track either. Florida was playing great. Oklahoma is playing great. Nevertheless, you can claim the National Championship, for all I care, if you guys take care of Hawaii. They are the only unbeaten team left. Quite the feater in Georgia's cap. And, next year Georgia should come out and be right in the hunt from the beginning.
Tommie Trojan
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 4, 2007 12:48 PM — 216.46.204.15 — link — abuse?
gatorhippy, Tebow and the Gator's are pretty cool, but Gatormatt does'nt seem to think Michigan is worthy of Florida.........besides, all Florida has to do is show up and collect their trophy.........it could happen this year of all years.........but Tebow will be too much for us to overcome.
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on December 4, 2007 2:07 PM — 138.163.0.44 — link — abuse?
No doubt GA will be back next year. They also need to take care of their division better so we won't be having this discussion next year be/c LSU will have a chance to beat them in the SEC Championship game.
McFad for Heisman
gatorstud said:
posted on December 4, 2007 2:45 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
m go blue.....fear not my friend....the wolverines will make a game of it...but i do think tebow will be the difference in the game.....my brother-in-law is a big michigan supporter...so although i have no issues w/ mich......i want to beat them for that reason also.....
good luck to ya....
go gators......
gatorstud said:
posted on December 4, 2007 2:51 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
eye ot the tiger........so are you saying that georgia will be a better team than florida next year.....and what led you to that decision.......
and you pronounced that wrong....it's TEBOW for heisman....c'mon say it with me one time...TEBOW.....
go gators.....
Eye of the Tiger said:
posted on December 4, 2007 4:18 PM — 138.163.0.43 — link — abuse?
I think it will definitely be outa GA and FLA next year, possibly even for the NC. How's that for an early prediction?
As for Tebow, let him wait another year. Mcfadden is the primed senior with the leadership who rallied his team to beat the #1 team in the universe (LSU).
posted on December 4, 2007 6:20 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Ok, when I was flipping through games this past Saturday night, did anyone see during the Oklahoma/Mizzou game right before the half when the announcers went to the sideline reporter?
Somehow she was hooked into the stadium PA system, and instead of talking to the TV audience, her voice was being broadcasted to the whole stadium. The camera cut to Mizzou QB Chase Daniel, then she started talking about him to everybody!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0z9JyhQ6Ngc
Absolutely hilarious how she realizes what is happening and just fizzles out...
OU-Ron
posted on December 5, 2007 3:59 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
War Eagle, it was just announced that Chase Daniels is a Heisman finalist and will be on stage for the announcement of the winner, just wonder if Chase is gonna flip his beanie cap off of his head and act like a brat when Tebow is crowned...
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 6, 2007 11:01 AM — 216.46.213.124 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atlanta, LOL!!! I watched the game, but that was worth watching again! You know your under serious scrutiny when they even announce your mood swings over the PA!!!
Lisa happens to be a Penn State grad.....You like Michigan lisa??? 9 straight!!! =)
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Kevin Donahue 
said:
posted on December 2, 2007 2:57 PM — link — abuse?Well, that pretty much settles it. I know the BCS comes out tonight, but it will be Ohio State - LSU.
The only debate now is who goes where....