January 4, 2007
Two straight years - two straight whippings for Irish
Maybe someone at BCS headquarters should start thinking twice about giving the Irish an auto-qualifier into the Bowl Championship Series.
For the second year in a row, Notre Dame was absolutely mauled in a BCS game. This time the beating came at the hands of the LSU Tigers. Last year it was Ohio State laying the wood to UND.
Props to Blue Gray Sky, though. The Irish blog forecasted the LSU DL matchup that lit into Notre Dame.
Matchup Analysis. Big? Check. Strong? Check. Fast? Check. Deep? Check.Yikes. I don't think I need to rehash the issues the Irish OL had this year against big and physical defensive lines. Although the vaunted Tiger line only totaled a combined 19 sacks on the year (ND's line had 21), I think that is more a factor of LSU not facing many pass-happy teams than anything else. Make no mistake: this is the key matchup in the game. If LSU can get steady pressure on Quinn with only their front four, the game will be over by halftime.
The loss was the ninth straight bowl defeat for the Irish, who haven't won a bowl game in 13 years (since the 1994 Cotton Bowl).
So, as it was, so shall it remain - this is as close to a bowl trophy as Weiss has gotten.
Comments:
K-Money said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:34 AM — 136.142.173.85 — link — abuse?
What was truly hilarious was Tim Brown's comments at half time, stating "N.D. was dominating the game." Even today, Mike Golic and Lou Holtz are defending them. Let's be honest, Brady Quinn, the rest of the team, and all the N.D. pundits are just a bunch of overrated chumps. Please BCS, give college football fans a qualified contender next year.
badgerballer said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:35 AM — 71.34.141.153 — link — abuse?
You missed one AgGB. They also 'beat' Georgia Tech - make that, barely squeaked by - and GA Tech did finish the season ranked. I believe State Penn was ranked at the time they played, but didn't finish the season ranked.
Regardless, ND is the most over-rated program possibily in the history of college football, and everybody knows it. What's this make, 9 straight bowl losses? They've been one ranked team (GA Tech) in 2 years, I think. Unbelievable.
My whining & crying about Wisconsin getting the screw-gie this year is well documented and thoroughly worn out on this board - but ND getting whacked like they did really stings us Badger fans. They had no business in the same state as LSU (or any other BCS team,...except Wake). ND did not/does not belong in the top 20, possibly 25.
As long as I'm crying - is that bloody Rock'em Sock'em Robots Dodge truck commercial the only one on during BCS games??? Good grief! Combined, that & those Taco Bell Carmen Electra commericals account for about 60% of the commercials. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that Dodge commerical is on EVERY break?
sam said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:45 AM — 129.33.49.251 — link — abuse?
what a sorry display! that defense is as weak as I've ever seen . They cant cover, cant tackle, and cant get any pressure on the QB. The LB's are non existent. Corners cant stay with anyone. It was like they were afraid hit somebody. The team was unprepared to play, dropped passes, stupid penalties, etc. I wont even go in to fake punt. It was very obvious that we did not belong in that stadium with a talnted team like LSU. I sure hope we have some talent on defense coming in, because I cant bear to watch these kids much longer, the corners play 10yds off the receivers and still get beat every time deep? Did you see a corner get a hand a ball yesterday? All the incompletes were over thrown balls. They could have scored 70 pts if they wanted to. Okay, I'm better now
Mike wvu said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:52 AM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Good Job ND. All year I've heard Lissping Lou Holtz on ESPN talk about how great you are, and again you proved you belong in the C-USA. Join the Big 10- SEC -ACC or Big East and you won't have a chance to make another BCS Bowl!!!
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:55 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Notre Ame (No "D" in South Bend) showed once again that you don't have to deserve a BCS bowl to get one, you just need to be the Irish. Fortunately for the rest of the college football world we got to see another dismantling of the overrated Irish when they had to play a real BCS team. It makes sense that the Irish don't belong to a major BCS conference, but rather are the lone BCS Independent team. Had the Irish played in any of the BCS conferences they would have been very fortunate to finish higher than 4th in any of them, which wouldn't equate to playing in a BCS bowl. So, Notre Ame will continue to take advantage of a marred BCS system and keep sneaking in the side door to a BCS birth, only to end up getting blown out by a real national power. Hats off to LSU for keeping the Irish trend of bowl blunders running strong. The days of the blonde haired, blue-eyed, all-american boys of South Bend have turned into the days of the Red-haired, freckle-faced, step-children of college football. Looks like their Foster-coach, Weiss has alot of work to do in South Bend.
TrojanHorse said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:05 AM — 132.228.195.206 — link — abuse?
What a great bowl season, USC whoops Michigan and LSU whoops the pants off ND
LSU outgains ND by 330 yards to 30 or so in the second half; nice halftime adjustment Cheeseburger; oh yeah, he spent all his adjustments in the 2nd quarter when he came back to tie the game; had none left for the 2nd half LOL - Way to show Dome
Charlie looks like he grew another Chin since the USC game; next year the only thing that will fit him is a tarp
Hmmm 9 bowl losses in a row and as long as he stays in BCS bowls that won't end any time soon
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:11 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
It would be good for Notre Dame if Weiss decided to take one of the NFL head coaching jobs that supposedly was offered to him because he sucks at coaching in bowl games. I would like to thank ND for not making me worry if LSU was going to cover the spread.
badgerballer said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:13 AM — 71.34.141.153 — link — abuse?
@ gatorhippy
BWAAAaaaaaaaHaHaHaaaaa!!! lol
That's phunny. Man, he is one massively obese, sloppy looking, big fat boy. The guy is a cardiac arrest waiting to happen. Its amazing how someone who must preach discipline, self-control, living at the peak of physical fitness for maximum physical performance, can do such a good job of selling, "Do as I say, not as I do".
Its a good thing he's got that ring & NFL pedigree. I know if I were a high school blue-chipper, and I had to choose between he & Pete Carol, or Nick Saban, or Mike Stoops, or..., that, somewhere in the back of my mind this would come into play. Is Saban going to be here in 3 years? Is Weiss going to be ALIVE in 3 years?
Ramblin' Gator said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:19 AM — 67.97.209.35 — link — abuse?
Well, I'm glad that's over. Now we can enjoy about six months of peace before the drumbeat begins: "Notre Dame should be ranked #1!! Notre Dame will win the national championship!! Notre Dame , will win the 2007 Heisman Trophy!!"
Enjoy the quiet, while it lasts.
GATORGreg said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:21 AM — 68.214.120.140 — link — abuse?
Let me first state that I was raised a ND fan but I cant stand the fact that every year they are pedastooled into greatness as this glorious football program. ND is the poster-child for the phrase "media darling". I bet because they landed Clausen they'll be number 2 pre-season next year only to face the same cupcake military squads and get blown out by anyone decent and the courosel of ND -dic% sucking will continue through to next year and this will seem like de-ja-vu.. In addition ND needs to take a step back and not run their mouths off every year like their defending a championship, I will too say the same for the Gators because we have some classless fans too that I cant stand and dont want to sound hippocritical. Try to remember that this ND team was being placed in the National Championship spotlight not even 6 weeks ago pre-USC, just think how bad that would have been. Another thing that really f-ing pisses me off to is how everyone thinks that Weiss is some God to football. This fatass hasnt proven anything on the colegiate level and yet everyone looks at his resume as if he is Pete Carrol. People need to wake up and see whats really happening here. BTW Rutgers shoulda been playing in that game. ND shoulda been in a December bowl seeing as how they damn neear lost to UCLA,GTech and MSU.
posted on January 4, 2007 11:30 AM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta said:
Notre Dame was utterly unqualified and undeserving to be playing in the Sugar Bowl and it showed by having their tail end handed to them on a platter. Charlie Cheeseburger (aka 'Chunk', 'Sluggo', or 'Lumpy')looked like a deer caught in headlights. His strategy for the game: "try(ing) not to go down by two touchdowns."
Every single year Notre Dame plays a weak schedule and then gets the fawning media to lobby them for a major bowl game. ND fattens up on service academies, but is scared to play any of the regional powers like Ohio State (5 times in 120 years) and Michigan (35 times in 120 years, a few times here lately) The only real team they play every year is Southern Cal and perhaps Michigan State. After their latest SEC outing last night, I'm convinced they would struggle to beat Kentucky this year.
ND would be a natural fit to join the Big Ten, which would have to be renamed "The Big Eleven Also Featuring Notre Dame", but they don't want to share their TV revenue and they fear the competition.
Face it, ND, the only way you are ever going to get respect from real football conference fans is to join one and face the parity that comes with the territory. Otherwise, you and your bandwagon can keep setting records for bowl dispairity!
Raging Stallion said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:44 AM — 216.186.156.29 — link — abuse?
Hey Kevin...also don't forget about the Fiesta Bowl thrashing Norte Dame took at the hands of Oregon State. 41-7 I believe was the score, and it was done in similar fashion to what LSU did. Physical domination. That makes 3 straight BCS blowouts.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:57 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
GatorGreg:
Exactly! Notre Dame entered this season ranked #2 in many media publications, only because USC had a "bad game" in South Bend in 2005, and Notre Dame "only" lost by three. They were smoked by Ohio State in their BCS Bowl game - but that didn't matter.
Next year, with Jimmy Clausen coming in (and he will start), all the hype will be about how great this kid is. Let me remind everybody: Notre Dame had the best QB this year. It did not do them any good at all. Quinn started as a freshmen and looked like crap for the 1st two years - just as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning did. I don't care if this kid is Touchdown Jesus himself - he isn't gonna make any difference at all next year. But, nevertheless, Notre Dame will somehow parlay that hype back into another BCS berth. And, they will get massacred one more time. Someday they might actually have a good team. I just wish that all of these blithering idiots would wait for that to happen. We all know that they have now lost nine straight bowl games. They have also lost sixteen straight games to opponents that are ranked in the Top Ten. They are never going to be worthy until they beat Michigan and USC in the same year. I'll believe it all when that happens.Tommie T
Feldgrau44 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:04 PM — 72.187.185.204 — link — abuse?
Not much to say when every good team you play blows you out! (Michigan 47-21, USC 44-24, and LSU 41-14). Losses by 26, 20 and 27 points. Ouch! Have you noticed that the sports talking heads have backed off a bit in their "greatest coach ever" rhetoric towards Charley? And what a dud game by the "greatest quarterback ever," Brady Quinn--sure glad he didn't win the Heisman. Have you noticed that every time Quinn faces a good defense, he's totally mediocre. I predict he'll be a complete bust in the NFL.
Mike B said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:13 PM — 68.230.112.79 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame's rich, spending alumni and their "glory days" of the DISTANT past are their own worst enemies. They don't want just a shot at a bowl they are qualified to play in, they want it all. The powers at BCS selection are like pigs to a trough, slopping up the money. Therefore, ND will continue to be outclassed as they are matched with far superior, deserving teams in major bowl games, and they will continue to suffer embarassing routs annually.....
posted on January 4, 2007 12:17 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
Badgerballer: Now that's funny! ALIVE in three years? hahaha! Most football coaches do appear to be in somewhat reasonable shape. You have to be in order to get the respect of your players. Weiss is one prime-rib dinner away from a triple-bypass!
EER10 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:24 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
You Gator fans had such great post's here. I am going to pull for you next week. You to Tommie.
DOES THE MEDIA HAVE "NO DOME" at #1 yet ?
LETS GOOOOOooooo MOUNTAINEERS ! By the way, no one took a dump on the Georgia Tech Band at the Gator Bowl, although they did sound like CRAP. I guess we WVU fans are spoiled a bit with the "PRIDE OF WEST VIRGINIA" BAND. I was at the game and would have heard the Buzz. I did smell crap though, but it was coming from New Orleans.
volstrike3 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:35 PM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Big question is....
Where is IRISHJT?
That guy has been on here all year pumping up ND and bashing every other program in CFB. Most posters on here are at least man enough to come on here after a loss and take one on the chin.
Notre Dame will start winning bowl games when they are not so overrated.
No Fan of ND said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:37 PM — 216.67.11.7 — link — abuse?
Thank you Notre Dame. Thank you for proving to me and all the fans of all the teams that have been hosed due to your ability to garner ratings. Year after year one team has been screwed out of a decent bowl game that you usurped. I hope that maybe after a few more of these of humiliating bowl losses that maybe people will figure out that the Drunkin' Irish are no good at football.
usdirish said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:37 PM — 155.104.37.17 — link — abuse?
The score was 27-20 with 2 minutes to go in the game. 27-20. tOSU scored another touchdown on yet another huge play with 1:46 left. That does not sound like a blowout to me. ND lost, that is true. The 2006 Fiesta Bowl against tOSU was not the blowout that the 2007 Sugar Bowl was. Congrats to LSU and JaMarcus Russell et al, great game. We were definitely overmatched.
IRISH-THORN said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:38 PM — 69.133.4.221 — link — abuse?
THE IRISH CAN PLAY AN ELITE TEAM FOR ONE HALF AND THEN REALITY SETS IN. CLAUSEN IS NOT THE ANSWER AND I BET HE IS HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS. WIES IS NOT THE ANSWER AND THE HOT AIR HE HAS BEEN BLOWING ALONG WITH THE MEDIA IS REALLY GETTING CHILLY. THE ANSWER IS A GOOD LINE BOTH O AND D AND SOME FEARLESS PASS COVERAGE OF THE "IN YOUR SHORTS", MODE. TILL 2009 IT IS A REBUILDING WORK IN PROGRESS. RECRUITING MAY HAVE JUST TAKEN A BIG HIT.
AgGB said:
posted on January 4, 2007 12:46 PM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
Touche badgerball...alright...we'll say they beat two marginally ranked opponents.
And another thing that pisses me off about ND is that they are ALWAYS on tv. ALWAYS. They're never really that good and they're always on tv. NBC carried most of their games for a zillion years no matter who they played or how good they are. Get those guys off my tube until they're good and put a real football game on.
HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:10 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Please don't put all Gator fans and grads in the same category - just like any school! We all have our embarrassing fans. Case in point - that guy taking the dump in the GA Tech band section doesn't exactly look like a product of higher education - just a guy too drunk to make it to the shitter!
And thanks LSU for screwing up my great bowl season on Bodog! I have this rule about not betting bandwagon trap games that look way too easy! Man was I pissed about 2 minutes into the game when it was obvious that LSU was playing a seriously overmatched opponent.
And seriously, isn't it time to stop talking about Notre Dame joining the Big 10 and maybe thinking about the Patriot League (does the Ivy League take apps?) or something more appropriate.
No disrespect at all! ND should be commended on their high acedemic standards - starters with over a 3.1 gpa - pretty impressive. But the power conferences already have their shares of Northwesterns, Stanfords, Vandys and Dukes, etc. and face it, academics and big time football just doesn't mix!
C-DOGG said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:28 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Hey IrishJT,
where ya at? Don't hide now!This predictable beatdown should shut you guys up for the offseason (along with those annoying Michigan fans). How disheartening must it be to know that your team SUCKS, is overrated (every year since Holtz left), lost 9 bowl games in a row (by an average of 17+ points), and still be in denial about it? Everyone predicted your demise. Robert Smith said it best when he said that Rutgers should have been in the Sugar Bowl and N. Dame in the Texas Bowl vs. K-State. I think that W. Virginia should have been in the Sugar. Anyways, I think that I'll start a website called www.clausenloosesbowlgame.com It should be good for the next 4 years!
Feldgrau44 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:44 PM — 72.187.185.204 — link — abuse?
Hey usdirish, sometimes the final score doesn't reflect the actual lopsidedness of a game. Last year's Fiesta Bowl is a case in point. While a final score of 34-20--or 27-20 with two minutes to go--might not sound like a blowout on the surface, a disparity of 617 total yards to 348 certainly DOES. Yep, that's how badly OSU outplayed ND last year. Check it out on this URL if your memory is getting foggy: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls05/bowls?game=fiesta
TrojanHorse said:
posted on January 4, 2007 2:53 PM — 132.228.195.207 — link — abuse?
I've never seen so many fans from different schools band together like they have here against the ND Fans and its great. Especially since most of the ND fans couldn't pin point SB on a map as they have never stepped on campus
Oh yeah, I think the cheeseburger grew another chin last night; No buffet table is safe from a Charlie chowdown
TampaGator said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:16 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy: that was one of the most astute and downright hysterical posts I've ever read!
Sam: Get over yourself. UF's biggest rival in landing National Merit Honor students is Harvard. With ND's Ivy League tuition—and the actual Ivies’ tuition being so high-- they weed-out many otherwise qualified candidates, who can and do, happily come on down to enjoy the Florida sun, get a damn good education, and catch a pretty good football program to boot! (should I mention the ladies and the parties? Best not; that might be just a bit too cruel…)
ND--and it's fans--should seriously stop trying to defend the indefensible, and focus on identifying, then fixing the problem(s). CW is a good OFFENSIVE coordinator. Let him continue to occupy HC position (good for PR), but y'all really do need a new DC. ND is not that far from being competitive with the big boys--just a good defense away.
Geaux Tigers! Geaux SEC! and most importantly…
GO GATORS!!!
TamapGator said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:21 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Gatorhippy: that was one of the most astute and downright hysterical posts I've ever read!
Sam: Get over yourself. UF's biggest rival in landing National Merit Honor students is Harvard. With ND's Ivy League tuition—and the actual Ivies’ tuition being so high-- they weed-out many otherwise qualified candidates, who can and do, happily come on down to enjoy the Florida sun, get a damn good education, and catch a pretty good football program to boot! (should I mention the ladies and the parties? Best not; that might be just a bit too cruel…)
ND--and it's fans--should seriously stop trying to defend the indefensible, and focus on identifying, then fixing the problem(s). CW is a good OFFENSIVE coordinator. Let him continue to occupy HC position (good for PR), but y'all really do need a new DC. ND is not that far from being competitive with the big boys--just a good defense away.
Geaux Tigers! Geaux SEC! and most importantly…
GO GATORS!!!
C-DOGG said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:23 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
HELP WANTED: Defensive Backs
Must be able to:
Run a 40 yd dash in 4.0 seconds or less &
40"+ verticle leap.If interested, please send video resume to our athletic Dept in South Bend, Indiana.
Address: 9 in a row Boulevard. or just call
1-888-9-inarow. Walk-ins (and walk-ons) welcomed.GatorMatt said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:31 PM — 70.152.41.254 — link — abuse?
Does anyone think that Notre Dame's once again embarassing perfomance, coupled with Boise State's awesome performance will push the NCAA to rule for a playoff? I know that if I worked for the BCS committee, I would go into hiding and not come out for a couple months after this years bowl games (except for the National Championship. At least they got something right)
ROC said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:33 PM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
WEIS ANOINTED HIMSELF AS "GENIUS" AND IN 2 YRS HE HAS LOST 6 GAMES W/THE "BIG BOYS" AND THEY SCORED AVG OF 38 PTS...IRISH LOSE 30 SENIORS, 15 2 DEEP OFFENSE AND 12 2 DEEP DEF--WOW-- YOU THINK THEY WERE BAD THIS YEAR??THE MEDIA BUILDS THIS AVG TEAM TO BE GREAT AND THEY FAIL...IN 7 YRS, THEY LOST 35 GAMES AND THAT GIVES A HINT THAT THEY R NOT IN ANY WAY, AN ELITE PROGRAM....
Gerald said:
posted on January 4, 2007 3:41 PM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan:
If you think that Peyton Manning was bad his first two seasons, you are insane. Manning set the SEC record for passing yards by a freshman, and did it despite sharing the position with Brandon Stewart, who later transferred to Texas A&M and won that infamous "bonfire tragedy" game against Kansas State in the Big 12 title game that knocked Kansas State out of the national title game. His sophomore year, he threw for nearly 3000 yards.
And as for Carson Palmer, he wasn't terrible his first two years. He was terrible his first FOUR years (remember, he had a medical redshirt) and average at best until for the first five games of his fifth year until going absolutely nuts the last 8 games of his senior year after Norm Chow took the reads out of the offense and went to a timing offense.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 4:35 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Gerald:
Thank you for jumpin' in and setting me straight. I sometimes think you wait at that crack in the wall like a cat waits for a mouse. And then - whammo! Re-reading my blog - I guess it looks like I said that Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning played like crap. That isn't exactly what I was referring to. That they started as freshmen and their collective teams did not come close to winning the NC might be better said. I used these two as examples of two guys who were the Top rated players who did fulfill their potentials. It can be said that Manning has improved as a QB each and every year that he has played QB. He has never won it all in college or the Pro game. That has more to do with the talent that surrounds him. He has probably been, without a doubt, the very best QB since Dan Marino or John Elway. Yet, only Tee Martin could garner the NC after he left. It should be obvious that Tennessee had more talent in that year. Palmer's situation was different. He along with Jason Thomas were the Top Two QB's in the country and both enrolled at USC for the 1999 season. Palmer clearly beat out Thomas and started as a freshman also. Thomas got upset and transferred to UNLV and faded into oblivion. Sad story. Thomas was also a Top Five basketball recruit and never pursued it. Everyone knew that Palmer was the real deal, but suffered in mediocrity, until Carroll and Chow came in and transformed him. Palmer only reached that potential during his senior season and has been improving every year since. The odds are very much against Jimmy Clausen leading Notre Dame to anything in 2007.
Tommie T
So Cal USMC said:
posted on January 4, 2007 5:33 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Charlie Wies - I thought the guy was gonna have an immediate impact (the talent was there) and it sorta seemed like it did the first year... but overall, he hasnt live-up to expectations.
Super Bowl rings are one thing, but getting rolled-up by USC & Michigan of all teams, and then allowing yourself/your team to set a Record for Losing Bowl games!?... He's another guy that "Talks" Bigger than he is (not literally bigger than he is, but you know). Wies is a bit of an illusionist and he just has one of those Attitudes that dont sit right with you... Nick Saban just recently became the Poster-Boy for that (But I love it that he stuck it to the NFL though).
irish fan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 5:36 PM — 71.156.44.68 — link — abuse?
I think Notre Dsme needs to lower there academic standards for athletes. If they only required people to be Michagan, Ohio State, or USC intelligent they would definately get better recruits. However, if they fail to do this they should join the Big East that way they can go undefeated every year. Some how people thought an undefeated Big East team should be in the BCS title game. So why shouldn't Notre Dame join? Heres the Big East in a nut shell: Lousville beat WVU, who beat Rutgers, who beat Lousville. WOW! And all these teams beat no one else. Although Middle Tennessee State is a tough game. Seroiusly watching the Big East play is like watching high school freshman play. Notre Dame would be a man among boys in that league.
SoonerTaft said:
posted on January 4, 2007 5:38 PM — 69.154.31.66 — link — abuse?
Speaking of Notre Dame sucking, when the hell is ESPN going to get rid of Lou Holtz? He's like that old neighbor that talks about the old days of WWII and how much tougher kids used to be. For God sakes, take him off the air because I am sick of muting the t.v.
blackirish said:
posted on January 4, 2007 6:02 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
Who ever said the BCS games are about football? Baby, you got to follow the MoNeY - the Irish went Bank on BCS just like the Donald is going Bank on Rosie's arse! The only conference the Irish should consider joining is the the Gold Exchange, quit your complaining about the score let's compare - Brady Quinn and the Irish went all in and lost on the field in one insigificant mismatched game - get over it. Yes i agree, the BCS screwed LSU with such a low seed matchup, too bad. Next year as Cleveland picks the next Peyton Manningesque QB we'll see how fast the John Q public remembers this game, it's all about the games on Sunday! As for LSU well let's not get to carried away with Charlie the Ceeezberger when you've got a 300 pound gorilla as a QB who will with his lack of speed and s l o w scrambling ability will doom him to grazing on Sunday's at Popeye's sucking down endless amounts of file gumbo, he has no chance of ever playing in the NFL. Come on, he's just like the recent overweight QB Leitzen? from UK, who also never made it to the NFL!
badgerballer said:
posted on January 4, 2007 6:26 PM — 71.221.119.223 — link — abuse?
#16
*sarcasim alert* The evidence is certainly on your side. Badgers came into the bowl season BCS #6, and will finish in the top 4. Norte Dame has a stunning record-against going versus ranked opponents. Everything on paper would certainly suggest that Norte Dame would whup up on not only Wisconsin, but probably the rest of the teams in the top 10. These mounting losses are just a ploy, to slowly lul the rest of the country to sleep. And you've got us all right where you want us.
Are you paying ANY attention to a) the facts, b) this thread, c) your team? If not, let me formally let you know, your team is slow, small, can't defend and can't score. You 'earn' your rankings by not being in a conference, having your own network, and garunteeing 25,000 tickets sold to virtually any bowl game. Good grief.
IRISH-THORN said:
posted on January 4, 2007 6:37 PM — 69.133.4.221 — link — abuse?
THE IRISH ARE COMING, THE IRISH ARE COMING! JUST NOT THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR. TRY 2009. AS FOR HATING THE IRISH ON TOO MUCH TV DIDN'T WE MAKE YOU HAPPY AT LEAST THREE TIMES LAST YEAR AND ONCE ALREADY THIS YEAR. ARE MOTTO IS "MAKE SOMEONE HAPPY" AND WE ALWAYS DO.
Gatorpilot said:
posted on January 4, 2007 7:02 PM — 71.42.27.135 — link — abuse?
Exactly whom did this outcome surprise?
No one, should be.
Booger said:
posted on January 4, 2007 7:04 PM — 72.72.230.131 — link — abuse?
Notre Lame once again proves that they are nothing but a bunch of overated, pompus, NCAA football powerhouse wanna be's. Love the great play calling by Charlie W, maybe next time he'll fake a punt on his own two yard line....what an idiot!!. Hopefully next year the BCS will wise up and keep these loosers out of a BCS bowl and let a real football team have the slot. NOTRE DAME SUCKS !!!!!!!!!
C-DOGG said:
posted on January 4, 2007 7:18 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
Soonertaft,
Re:post#50,Amen to the Lou Holtz issue! Everytime he talks I want to put a Jerry Tarkanian towel in his mouth to clean out the excessice saliva. I have to literally change the channel when I'm eating.
See ya in Norman.....Go Canes! (I take it your a Oklahome fan)
Lee said:
posted on January 4, 2007 7:29 PM — 72.200.32.113 — link — abuse?
#51 blackirish....
spoken like a true lame whiner...JR will not only make it in the NFL he'll be a star ...let me ask you something how much speed does Peyton Manning have or Drew Brees or any number of many qb's?...and your comparison is totally invalid try comparing him to a young healthy Duante Culpepper or Doug Williams only with a stronger arm.LT said:
posted on January 4, 2007 7:33 PM — 74.129.227.134 — link — abuse?
Love the Irish -- completely. However, I'm compelled to take a couple of years off of watching the embarrassment. They are the most overrated Div IA team out there -- period. It's sad to watch the "Offensive Genius" crash and burn in big games. I wonder when the NDAD is going to take the stance that Ohio State did after Cooper couldn't beat Michigan. I also wonder if Charlie is going to be fired if ND underperforms next year; he should get the same treatment as Willingham, though I think ND let Ty go too early. And, I miss the Kent Baer defense and the Irish big plays.
Has anyone else notice that Szmardija (sp?) ain't with it anymore? Looks like he broke some records and then quit trying. I like the way the ball hit him in the helmet last night and he was oblivious to the fact that the ball was even on its way. I'll be glad to see him go. He's no Calvin Johnson or Dwayne Jarrett, although he could've been.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 7:49 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
LT:
Jeff Smarge has a 100 mph fastball and will be the top selection in the Major League draft - probably. He is really that good. I don't think he cares to play ten more years of football, at no pay, when he can play twenty in the Major Leagues making multi-million dollar contracts over and over again. It's a no brainer for him. Try and forgive him if he don't care about ND football all that much. I'm sure he's just tryin' not to get killed right now.
Tommie T
LT said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:11 PM — 74.129.227.134 — link — abuse?
Tommie T,
I figured his mind was on baseball -- or celebrity, one or the other, but certainly not football. I appreciate the therapeutic words, nonetheless, particularly in light of your "Trojan" moniker.
It's amazing how many personal records are being broken juxtaposed to the ridiculous number of embarrassments the team displays year after year of late. 9 straight bowl losses, etc., etc., etc.
Waking up the echoes? That's a burned-out phrase that's lost its glamour. Knute's rolling in his grave.
don't tempt me said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:34 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
blackirish... I was in the dome last night near the endzone when I saw Russell's SLOW ass get past your ND defense to score a touchdown.When Weiss can RUN out onto the field with his team, i'm sure the rest of America will let it go!
and leave the gumbo and Popeye's chicken out of this...
T-Mac said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:36 PM — 66.78.164.162 — link — abuse?
A private plane just landed in South Bend carrying Lou Holtz and his family. Kirk Herstriet will be off coor and Mark May will be named Def coor. His wife is going to look at houses tomorrow! Lou Holtz is a scumbag for wanting to return to College Coaching. Can you imagine a guy wanting to Coach College FB??? What a disgrace. The nerve of some people. Doing something they enjoy for a living and taking a 500,000 dollar a year pay cut to do it!!!
geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:52 PM — 69.1.170.58 — link — abuse?
Good thing I can type this instead of having to say it because my voice is gone...and my head is freakin killing me!! Got home at 5am this morning and slept till 3pm today....Damn, what a game. If you're a Tiger fan, that is. @blackirish - Jamarcus Russell was NEVER know for his speed. You're right...he is slow as shi* when it comes to scrambling. So what does that say about your program when you can't stop a snail like Russell. Another typical response from a typical Irish Idiot. Sometimes it's better to let the world wonder how stupid you are instead of opening your mouth and proving it. And as far as John Q Public remembering this game next year, I don't think ANYONE on this site will forget it. They're still talking about azz whippings the Irish got 3 years ago! And like everyone else said on here - it ain't gonna end anytime soon. And regarding your prediction about Jamarcus Russell's future...it ranks right up there with Irish fans' prediction of the Sugar Bowl outcome. A prototype NFL physique, to call his arm a cannon is like calling the sinking of the Titanic a boating accident, and the ability to make any throw out there. Saw Jamarcus at the Manning Passing Academy throw the ball from the 10 to the 10! Saw him throw the ball 48 yrds from ONE KNEE!!......and you're telling me he's not gonna make it in the NFL? Are you high? Maybe all of the experts are wrong and maybe you're right - but I doubt it. And you wanna talk about somebody big? Have you seen your blimp...I mean...coach lately? He must put his belt on with a boomerang! Jesus, he's like a walking bowl of gravy. But I hope Jamarcus goes out this year. He's definitely first round material. And LSU has last years Peach Bowl MVP in Matt Flynn - and - the number one QB outta high school 2 years ago in Ryan Perriloux. What a problem to have.
Geaux Tigers
2006-07 Sugar Bowl ChampionsUGAStudent34 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:57 PM — 68.117.221.112 — link — abuse?
Blackirish please get your facts straight.
The QB from UK you are refering to is Jared Lorenzen and he does play in the NFL for the Giants.
JaMarcus Russel weighs in at 260, and at 6-6 that can hardley be considered fat, when looking at Weis's rather large stature. I wonder how many chairs he's broken sitting at the dinner tables of prized recuits.
Russell had 142 rushing yards this season Quinn only had 71. How could you say Russell is slow.
Though 142 isn't many it is double what Quinn could manage, and I never hear anything about Quinn being slow.Russell's passer rating was 167 while Quinn's was 147. Russell ranks 4th in QB rating in all of college football.
When you talk of the next Peyton Manningesque QB I can only assume you are refering to Quinn. Remind me what was Quinn's record agianst top 10 teams??? Answer Goose Egg, nada, nothing. Thats right he folds under pressure. Don't compare this loser to a future hall of famer. He may go high in the draft, but not as high as Russell, who proves to be a winner in big games in the toughest confrence.
You are right on one thing though the BCS is all about the money. The thing that really gets my goat is that conference teams who make the BCS games have to split their money with teams in their confrenece, while the irish hoard thier fat checks shairng with no one.
I do find solace in the fact that every college football fan from east to west loves to see Notre Dame lose though.Join a confrenece, schedule at least 8 legitimate teams, get rid of your acadamey ties and lets see how you stack up.
Ok enough ranting. On to real football programs As much as it hurts to say this (I can feel vomit in my throat) Florida please beat OSU lets make the SEC bowl record 6 wins 3 losses.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DAWGS
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 4, 2007 8:57 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Now, this is startin' to bug me. I've read one lame excuse after another about what a great coach Charlie Weis is and how Ty Willingham left the cupboard bare. Let's look at some facts. What follows is the last five years of recruiting analysis combined for "Rivals" and "Scout" concerning these four teams: Notre Dame, USC, Michigan and LSU. Let's see if Notre Dame's talent is all that bad or maybe they need a better coach. You decide.
2002: Ty Willingham recruited this class. Pretty good actually. These guys would be all the RS Seniors on these four squads. Notre Dame wins the recruiting war this time.
Notre Dame (18) 3.58
Michigan (21) 3.31
USC (22) 3.30
LSU (26.5) 3.092003: Ty Willingham does another pretty good job here. Notre Dame is right there with USC on this class. These guys were all Seniors or RS Juniors this year. Not a bad class for Notre Dame.
Michigan (17) 3.71
LSU (27.5) 3.68
USC (29) 3.47
Notre Dame (21.5) 3.462004: Ty Willingham is released after this terrible recruiting class. USC rises, Notre Dame falls, and Michigan and LSU stay constant. These guys would all be Juniors and RS Sophs this year.
USC (19.5) 4.03
Michigan (22) 3.52
LSU (28.5) 3.46
Notre Dame (17.5) 2.882005: Charlie Weis doesn't stand much chance here. He does a little better than Willingham did with a real late start. The others remain constant. These kids were either Sophs or RS Freshmen this year.
USC (18) 4.08
LSU (13) 3.69
Michigan (23) 3.57
Notre Dame (15) 3.132006: Charlie does pretty well here. These kids are all freshmen this year and have little impact.
USC (24.5) 4.06
Michigan (19.5) 3.62
Notre Dame (28) 3.54
LSU (25) 3.54All four of these teams are recruiting very well in 2007 I might add.
Now, let's combine those numbers over five years of recruiting. Keep in mind, that this year, Notre Dames recruiting classes of 2002 & 2003 were pretty good. All of the RS Seniors, Seniors and RS Juniors came from those two classes.
Average recruiting class over the last five years:
USC (22.6) 3.76
Michigan (20.5) 3.54
LSU (24.1) 3.47
Notre Dame (20.0) 3.35Notre Dame has recruited higher than Michigan's average in three of the last five years. LSU's worst recruiting year was back in 2002. USC's worst recruiting rears were back in 2002 & 2003. Michigan's worst recruiting year was back in 2002. Notre Dame's best recruiting was back in 2002 & 2003. The other three schools have lost more players to early entry, failing grades and transfers than Notre Dame has over this period of time. This is reflected by the average number of scholarships offered each year.
The question is: why is Notre Dame getting blown out by so many points against these top schools, when it would appear that they have just as much talent in they're top two classes, and have not lost as many as the other three schools over the same time period? Keep in mind: that many of the higher rated players for USC, LSU and Michigan have left early for the NFL draft - thus actually lowering their overall averages. How can this be? Is Charlie Weis not the "evil genius" that everyone thinks that he is? And, Ty Willingham did not leave the cupboard bare so much as everyone thinks he did. He had one bad recruiting year - and all those would have only been either soph's or RS Freshmen when Charlie Cheeseburger arrived. What say you?
Tommie T
UGAstudent34 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:16 PM — 68.117.221.112 — link — abuse?
Tommie T I think your looking in the wrong direction recruits aside the answer lies in the schedule. Notre Dame schedule is littered with so many creampuffs it reminds me of a dutch bakery. My point is this, if you keep playing against marginal opposition you ultimately will become marginal yourself. Your team forgets how to play at its best when slips in assignments or play calling are allowed to go unpunished. Eventually when you do need to turn on that competitive button so to speak you have forgoten how to.
geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on January 4, 2007 9:17 PM — 69.1.170.58 — link — abuse?
LT
You must be the rarest of the rare - a ND fan that speaks the truth. Except for the dissing of Samardzija. Kids got skill. Commands 4 pitches and brings heavy heat. I like him. But props to ya for bringing it real.
Quote from Dan Wetzel of Yahoo sports:
"until he (Charlie Cheeseburger)proves he is just as effective and ferocious on the recruiting trail (as the other national powers), until he gets this thing loaded with skill players, Notre Dame isn't going to be anything but a nice, solid program that gets plenty of pub each August and fed to the wolves each January."@Tommie T
What say you? I say that's some deep shi*. When this hang over subsides, I'll re-read #64 and get back to you. Until then...
Geaux Tigersbadgerballer said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:21 PM — 63.227.140.123 — link — abuse?
CDOGG - Thanks man. An insult, washed down with a ;o) always makes a person feel better. ;o)
Ok, ok. So not one of my more well thought out, well articulated posts...I was in a hurry. What, you've never had a few typos in a post before?!? Poorly written, yes, but I think that point(s) is(are) intact.
T-Mac said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:35 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tommie, this is what I say. You are 100% right on bro. Granted, I'm not up on all those stats, but I know that you stay on top of those things. I had LSU winning big in that game, but not that big. Brady Quinn will probably go on and have a good NFL career. It seems to me though that he did not deliver in the Big games when it mattered most. One thing begs the question for me on Quinn though. Quinn couldn't handle the pressure from the LSU defense so what's he going to do again'st the front 7's of the NFL???
BTW-Before anyone says that in the NFL he will have a very good O-Line and won't have to worry about it than stop. There comes a time in every QB's life when a defense does something called BLITZ.
It happens very often these days.spartan joefeed said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:43 PM — 76.20.133.235 — link — abuse?
#51 blackirish
you mean the gorilla with the best arm in college football?
last time i checked BQ wasn't out there making dudes miss.
and he better learn to throw a wet ball because if the rain doesn't stop in east lansing, notre dame loses that game.
T-Mac said:
posted on January 4, 2007 11:34 PM — 66.78.139.117 — link — abuse?
Tommie, Jeff Smarge(sp) has an actual fastball speed of 321 mph! IrishJT said he was watching him practice one day and it was true. Oh yes, it is true! Alright, all joking aside. Yes I think Smarge will have a great baseball career. It was also painfully obvious that he was playing to not get hurt in that bowl game. He was thinkin bout those millions from MLB coming his way. That wasn't the same football player that we have seen the last couple of years. If you choose to not give 100% then grab some bench. Hell, DJ Hall from Alabama had more receiving yards than him this season.
toubib said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:19 AM — 207.200.116.69 — link — abuse?
1 Brady Quinn has at least 50 QBs ahead of him #2 ND pass defense has been a joke for years ( remember #15 ) the soccer player #3 Weis hasn't proven anything yet, can't upset anybody #4 Imagine how good Samardzija would have been with a QB that didn't throw behind him #5 Did Charlie ever hear of the tight end #6 At least they got rid of Willingham, he's doing real well in Seattle
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:26 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
UGAstudent34:
Good point. It's a fact that playing weak competition every week is gonna make you week. I was definately counting on that when Notre Dame came to town after playing about eight patsies in a row. Trojans smoked em', but that didn't help em' none either, as they went out and got blasted even harder by LSU. Usually, teams like Arkansas, drastically improve after coming up against really good teams. You could just see how Arkansas was getting more used to handling some of the better teams. At least they were never blown out again.
Tommie T
Tomcat said:
posted on January 5, 2007 6:44 AM — 69.153.88.240 — link — abuse?
Well at least the game was on Fox with Terry and Howie and we didnt have to listen to Keith Jackson.If the Irish would join a conference like Sunbelt or C-USA then they could get whuped by Troy or Tulsa and have to earn their spot like many more deserving teams. just Joking
Hopefully the Spartans and Yellowjackets can step it up next year and beat these guys.
If not then here we go again 10 straight bowl losses. Thanks BCS [BS]IrishJT said:
posted on January 5, 2007 8:14 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
I love that there is an entire blog dedicated to Notre Dame. All of the mindless blather written above is just another tribute to the greatest program in college football history.
Notre Dame was, I now admit, just an above-average team. They got blown out by three very good teams in USC, Mich and LSU. Charlie has won 19 games in 2 seasons and taken the Irish to two consecutive BCS bowls. He's still playing with Ty Willingham's pathetic recruits (no, he didn't 'recruit' Quinn...he stumbled on him while recruiting Ndukwe). Charlie has two consecutive top 10 recruiting classes.
I love how fans of Florida or Auburn or Alabama or West Virginia or Oregon talk of how Notre Dame's greatness was in the 'distant past.' Hmm!! I don't seem to remember any dominance by any of those schools EVER in college football. With the exception of Alabama, ND has thrice as many NTs as the rest of you...and Alabama's last NT was just 4 years after NDs last NT.
I still think the southern sportswriter takes aim at the Irish in a lot of unjustified situations. I still think ND is a premiere college program. It will be the best college program shortly. But I'll admit, we were an above-average team this year, which ain't good enough in South Bend. But from where we came from with Ty the Sloth, Weis (spelled W-E-I-S...he's anglo saxon boys) has taken us a long way and has us on down the road further than we could have expected (remember 5-7 the year before he showed).
IrishJT said:
posted on January 5, 2007 8:20 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
#77 I'll bet you $10,000 that you're wrong. What kind of an idiot are you? What toilet did you pop out of? Brady will be a top 5 pick. They don't pick talent in the NFL due what conference they came from or who has the favorite color jersey...like you might. They choose talent. Quinn was born to be a pro QB and will be the first QB taken in the draft.
Fifty quarterbacks in front of him??? Tommy T, where does that fall on your idiotic 'stupid list'? Y'all have a happy new year. We'll get fired up again in July.
Big East sucks.
MJWJr. said:
posted on January 5, 2007 8:30 AM — 24.158.228.210 — link — abuse?
I would say Notre Dame was over rated and does not deserve to be in a BCS game, which of course is true, but it is so much fun, such good entertainment to see them get beaten so badly. The only thing that restrains me at all is that it must be some sort of sin to feel this way.
IrishJT said:
posted on January 5, 2007 8:31 AM — 71.207.226.16 — link — abuse?
Dear BCS & Network Media,
I just wanted to thank you for the tens of millions of dollars that you both have given to my beloved Irish in just the last 17 months. The BCS has accounted for over $20million in the last two bowl games and NBC & ABC have given us over $40million so that they could have the privilege of putting us on TV EVERY SINGLE WEEK!!! It doesn't matter who we play, you want us on TV...which makes sense. We're the most popular team in the United States and God loves the Irish, is an alumni of Notre Dame and played for Rockne (trinity).
Now I know that we haven't won a NT in a while, but things are looking brighter and brighter on top of the dome. Two top 10 recruiting classes, an all-star coach with 4 Super Bowl rings and a traditional program unrivaled by all makes for good story, good television and good money spent wisely by you. Look for us to really jack up the prices in 2008...our next NT!!!
However, because we can, we are going to have to demand that no Big East games air on Saturdays any longer. Thursday nights will be reserved for the three games a year the Big East actually has two teams locked up in a better-than-glorified-high-school-game. We also are going to have to put the lid on SEC coaches whining about 'whatever.' On a lighter note, thank you for not showing PAC 10 football this year unless it was an OOC game. I'd rather watch the WE channel than Oregon vs Arizona. You obviously got our letter last year after you mailed us the $17m check for the Fiesta Bowl.
Thanks again for all of the money. We might use it to buy the Mountain West or maybe the State of West Virginia (where's that damn coupon?).
Sincerely,
The Alumnae of Notre Dame
geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on January 5, 2007 8:40 AM — 69.1.170.58 — link — abuse?
@ IrishJT
Hey Genuis.....This thread wasn't started FOR Notre Ame. It was a BCS Bowl game. It didn't matter who played in it, there was still gonna be a thread about it. So take the bobby pin outta your hair and pop that giant swollen head you got. "a tribute to the greatest program in college football history???".............BBWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Same comment to you that I told BlackIrish...sometimes it's better to let the world wonder how stupid you are instead of opening your mouth and proving it.Then again, this is just more mindless blather...
Geaux TigersGATORGreg said:
posted on January 5, 2007 9:43 AM — 68.214.120.140 — link — abuse?
Sam
Thanks for the reminder to use Microsoft word to proof read/spell check my posts so people can understand my points of how ND sucks ass. That secretary job of yours, working for what is obviously a UF alum has really made you to strive for literary perfection. If you’d like a career change my company has a janitorial position open where you can comment on how to clean up peoples shi** up or you can just stick to the Irish's
ND ALum Rolling Over In My Grave said:
posted on January 5, 2007 9:47 AM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
We should have a new manlaw that states that we are not allowed to talk about out favorite colleges past National Championships if we weren't born before the NC year. Also, if you can't support a teams mythical NC with evidence of at least one conference championship, then we shouldn't have to hear it.
TrojanHorse said:
posted on January 5, 2007 10:52 AM — 132.228.195.207 — link — abuse?
ND ALum Rolling Over In My Grave #81
EXACTLY
If you were not alive for the NC; you have no business bringing it up
Has everyone stopped laughing at Lou drooling all over himself yet? No wonder Mark May doesn't want to sit too close to Granny Holtz as he spits everytime he talks
gatorstud said:
posted on January 5, 2007 10:54 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
cmon irishjt....floridas dominance started when spurrier took over....they have dominated the sec since...yeah they have had a few average years....but, they are always considered into the sec championship outlook as well as the national ....notre dames inconsistencies in college football over the last ten to fifteen years is what people are talking about.....ND has not been a dominant team in any way....yeah they have beaten good teams ...but, they have not put a good season together (by the standards that they set)..since the early nineties.....so please leave florida out of your "no- one is greater than ND" conversations.....you don't stand a chance.....the only sport that you dominate in now is soccer..and that's it.....florida has won more football and basketball championships than your last football championship....and to say that florida was not on of the top four dominant teams in the nineties...then you are just livin in the clouds my freind....high in the clouds....
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 5, 2007 10:56 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
ND Alum:
I agree - what's one more law? We just put 743 more of em' here on the books in Cali on January 1st - so howz one more gonna hurt? Write your Congressman and have it implemented into National Law, that way all will get to enjoy it, rather than just us folks fortunate enough to live in states that love to pass new laws.
Tommie T
GatorMatt said:
posted on January 5, 2007 10:58 AM — 70.152.41.254 — link — abuse?
#80
IrishJT:
Please shut up. I had figured that Notre Dame being destroyed once again would be enough to get you to shut your mouth, but apparently it hasn't. Notre Dame has a few NT's under there belt, but those were many years ago. Hell, I was given an award called "Mr. Baseball" at a camp I went to. I was 11 at the time. I don't talk about that anymore. You do realize that if Notre Dame wasn't Notre Dame, they wouldn't play in half the bowl games they do. Go ahead and keep reliving the past while I'm pulling for a victory Monday night
blackirish said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:07 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Gawd you LSU fans. Come on your not that good, the pollsters knew what they're talking about, maybe No 2 or 3 at best. The Trojans or Buckeyes would have absolutely destroyed LSU that night the way you all played, and I hate USC and OSU! Although, you probably would have gotten past Florida. Basically, we all know it's was a case of "Every dog has his day"! Had it been ND's turn with the number of turnovers, fumbles, dropped passes, interceptions, etc we all know it could have turned into a blow-out victory for the Irish. Of course, the LSU fans would all be ranting against how unfair it is for the Fighting Irish to have a hired as a coach, it's called New York Yankee fan syndrome!
EER10 said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:21 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
I see Irish came out. Whats up Biznatch ? Yep, the Big East sucks..your in it stupid. Your about to get another Mountaineer foot up your @$$
in B-Ball as well. GO LSU TIGERS and all the other 9 bowl teams that have kicked your sorry @$$. YAAAAAAAAAA ! I was just wondering how 13 years of losing bowl games feels ?TIGERS ! TIGERS ! TIGERS !
Scott 51 said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:24 PM — 74.128.200.189 — link — abuse?
Irish JT,
Notre Dame gets absolutley hammered in a bowl game (once again) and, in response, the best you can do is come on here with "BIG EAST SUCKS"?
C'mon man, there's a difference between being delusional and just plain stupid. You're quiickly falling into the latter category.
GO CARDS.
Lee said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:28 PM — 206.251.165.202 — link — abuse?
#94 blackirish
Pleasssssse, I haven't heard 1 person on this board suggest that LSU was #1 and as for only being #2 or #3 guess that's a lot better than where ND will finish...LSU has always been competitive with ND overall 5-5 going back to the early 70's. The reason you're being taken to task is because your posts are smack and ND can't back up your smack, anyway you cut it LSU spanked your butts and JR easily outplayed Quinn
posted on January 5, 2007 12:45 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
IrishJT: Don't let 'em give you too much sh*t on here. Bravo for stepping up into the snake pit and taking your licks.
FYI: Alumnus-male graduate of a university, Alumnae-female graduate, Alumni-plural
And your bonus factoid: Alma Mater--latin for 'nourishing mother'. Go figure.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:49 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
BlackIrish;
I'm not one of the LSU faithful, but I was pulling for them in the Sugar Bowl. Or rather, I was cheering against the Irish. Being a big hater of the BCS system, it just comes natural to root against the only team in D-1 that is almost uniquely protected by the BCS. Several teams (including ND) have been accused of being "media darlings" over the past several years and these claims led to accusations of preferential treatment in the BCS Bowl Selection. There may be some truth to much of it, but year in and year out the "media darling" label gets applied to more than a few different programs. The issue with most college football fans (not ND fans) is that ND is the "BCS Darling" and "NBC's Darling" with covers at least 1/4 of the media. Your comments about LSU not being that good, can be written off as "sore loser comments" since you referenced the pollsters and acknowledged a national ranking of No. 2 or 3 at best. No team, iincluding ND could get by with being "not that good" and still be a consensus top 3 team. As far as your statement - "Basically, we all know it's was a case of "Every dog has his day"! Had it been ND's turn with the number of turnovers, fumbles, dropped passes, interceptions, etc we all know it could have turned into a blow-out victory for the Irish." - well thats absurd! Based on you statement, ND was beaten in every facet of the game (you failed to mention that LSU dominated on Defense and Offense). For the Sugar Bowl outcome to have been reversed to the extent that it played out, the earth would have had to begin rotating the other way, all the while flipping on its axis, over and over. I admire ND's traditions and legacy. I fully understand what ND has contributed to the history of college football and respect it all. But those days of irish glory are long gone and allthough they may once again find their way to the top of the D-1 mountain- their time there will be limited. There are just too many great programs out there now that can compete year in and year out. As far as how LSU would have faired against OSU or USC, who know's? What the entire country does know, is that LSU should have played a top tier team like OSU or USC and not the pathetic Irish team that has been overrated all season.
spartan joefeed said:
posted on January 5, 2007 12:53 PM — 76.20.133.235 — link — abuse?
#94
no, we dont all know that. both teams had two turnovers. both teams missesd a FG. if you watched the game you would see that notre dame was outplayed and outcoached. and i have no idea what tim brown was talking about at halftime. im pretty sure he just looked at the time of possesion before he said notre dame "dominated" the first half, even though LSU would score so quickly they didnt need the ball that long. No, hes not biased at all...
LSUSaints said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:04 PM — 64.241.168.8 — link — abuse?
LSU has won nine of its last 11 bowl games which is the best bowl record in the last 11 years by any one school, if my research is correct. On the other hand, Notre Dame has lost its last nine bowl games, which is a record in itself.
IrishJT said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:07 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
GatorMatt #93,
I love the fact that you spend time writing about a team (Notre Dame) that you don't want people to write about any longer.Ridiculous statements like "they wouldn't get such and such if they weren't Notre Dame" are laughable. THEY ARE NOTRE DAME!!! So just shut your mouths already!! I also love how you SEC fans believe that domination in the SEC is domination everywhere. The SEC is fixin' to go 0-3 against the Big 10. Wow!! What a dominant conference performance?!
Keep the string about Notre Dame going below please!!!
IrishJT said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:10 PM — 65.83.54.4 — link — abuse?
GatorStud #91,
Pretty good post. I agree with most of it. Some of your fellow GatorFans are a little confused, though, about my posts above.Again all, thanks for MILLIONS!! Didn't need it, but we'll take it.
Bowl Season ended Wednesday during the second quarter.
TampaGator said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:13 PM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
ND is tied with YALE for most NC's at 11. How much stock would anyone place in Yallee Fan talking about how they're gonna' rule college FB again, based on their past dominance?
I like ND, and I hope they can recapture at least a semblence of their past success, but they're going about it all wrong.
ND's defense is a disgrace; they need a new DC. Foundation of ND's last couple of championship teams was defense, not off. They're last 2 HC hires were offensive minded (Ty from pass-happy PAC 10, and of course CW, NFL-OC). Those two moves are similar to Nebraska hiring Bill Calahan. This inspite of the enourmous success ND & Neb (and Alab, for that matter) had based on good Defenses.
I hate to admit it, but alot of these offensive hires were influenced by Spurrier's success at UF--schools trying to capture the "fun & gun" air show and all of the excitement it generates--But defense is where it's at. In fact, even with SOS, he wasn't able to win only NC until he had the D to go with his O (Bob Stoops--DC, '96). Even this year, Gator D won many games we easily could have lost.
Note further how Miami--resisting the temptation to hire from outside, or going for flash or off. genius--instead hired Randy Shannon (DC). That's where rebuilding needs to start in any program.
As for ND not being able to recruit due to academics--HOGWASH! No program's tentacles reach further than ND's, and they run deepest in the midwest, where big DL, LB's and OL are plentiful. The only place where academics hurts in recruiting is in the skill positions--and Ty W'ham did fine there (eg.--Jeff S, BQ, D walker).
Ultimately, the problem is that ND (like NEB) is trying to play PAC-10 Ball without the proper personnel to carryout its game plans. "Dance with the one who brung ya..." as they say. ND needs to develop its D, get some big OL, and stick to fundamentals, if it ever wants to make it back to the big dance (...or at least avoid humiliating ass whoopings like the ones handed it by the Bayou Bengals, the Trojans, the Wolverines......).
Oh, and, with all due respect....ND would NOT have been Big East Champs this year. (No D)GO SEC! GO GATORS!!!
weebs said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:26 PM — 71.234.24.56 — link — abuse?
LOOK AT WHO THEY LOST TO, OHIO ST. WHO IS IN THE CHAMPINBSHIP GAME AND LUS WHO IS TO BE ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS RIGHT NOW. GIVE THEM TIME AND THEY WILL BE BACK AT THE TOP. IT IS UNBELIVEBALE HOW MANY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT N.D., THATS WHY THEY GET THE BSC BOWL GANES .
Marko said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:29 PM — 70.127.205.96 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame is pathetic. They rely on their name recognition to get them to BCS bowls, however, this time i think the pollsters will have no choice but toe leave ND out of the top 20 next season with their BLOWOUTS against top teams and weak schedule.
geauxtigers0107 said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:48 PM — 69.1.170.58 — link — abuse?
You know, I'm never one to gloat after a win because I think it's classless. But with the ridiculous posts that IrishJA(jackass) and BlackIrish come up with it's hard not to rub their noses in it. And one of the funniest parts is how IrishJA keeps talking about the money Notre Ame made instead of how absolutely digusting his football team is. At any rate, it was fun watching LSU beat the dog sh*t outta Notre Ame. God, what an incredibly inept, poorly coached, underacheiving, overated, overhyped, truly clueless freakin program. I refuse to refer to them as a "football" team anymore, as a football team usually shows some semblance of actually knowing how to play the game. But hey, when we post on here (LSU fans), it's always..gawd, LSU fans this and LSU fans that. Get a program that can compete with the Boise St's and the Rutgers of college football before you open your c*ck holster again!
Geaux Tigers
Gerald said:
posted on January 5, 2007 1:57 PM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
IrishJT:
You are absolutely insane. Willingham did not stumble upon Brady Quinn while recruiting Ndukwe, but rather got Ndukwe (who committed first) in order to get Quinn. I know because I was posting on the Notre Dame boards at the time. The only two schools that Quinn ever considered going to was Ohio State and Notre Dame, and Notre Dame was his huge leader from day one, especially when Willingham came in and put in a pro - style offense. The only reason why Quinn delayed his verbal commitment to Notre Dame was because Tressel and Ohio State made a huge charge at him to get him to change his mind, and that was when the fact that Notre Dame had already secured a verbal commitment from his best friend came in handy. Geesh.
And YES, Brady Quinn will be the first QB taken in the draft and very likely have a very successful NFL career in the right system. But that does not change the fact that Quinn did not have a particularly good season this year. If there was ever a case where you could definitely demonstrate that STATS DO LIE, it would be Brady Quinn and "his great numbers." Quinn didn't make anywhere near the number of great plays and throws or show the leadership and poise of some of the other QBs this year. Sure, he took a beating and didn't have great players around him, but there is a difference between being a warrior who takes a beating but keeps his team in it (like Drew Brees used to at Purdue) and doing a complete fold job: missing reads, making bad and late throws, getting happy feet, etc. Even when ND played some of their lesser opponents and Quinn put up good numbers, if you watched him play he didn't really look that great. Take that UCLA game: had Jeff Samardzija not made a huge play all by himself on what really wasn't even that great of a throw, Notre Dame loses with Quinn throwing a good bit less than 300 passing yards.
Again, not saying that Quinn was a bad player; just that he had a bad year, probably the result of his being only the second year in a new system missing Stovall, Fasano, and several offensive linemen, with Darius Walker obviously being hurt all year long (and missing that fullback Schwapp) and on top of all that playing a much more difficult schedule (last year ND played USC, 7 - 5 Michigan, and that was pretty much it) with ND not being able to sneak up on or suprise anyone like they did last year. And yes, it does seem like the Heisman and NFL stuff, being the "golden cover boy", was a distraction. I predict that he goes to Oakland, sits a year, and then goes on to give that franchise some credibility like Peyton Manning did for Indianapolis and Carson Palmer did for Cincinnati.
EER10 said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:13 PM — 129.71.238.253 — link — abuse?
Irish: TIGERS ! TIGERS ! TIGERS
NINE in a row baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LSU... LSU...I know you like the past, thats all you ever talk about. You should like this then.
LSU kicked your butt in 1997 as well. LSU!! LSU!! 41-14 ! 41-14 ! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATrojanHorse said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:14 PM — 132.228.195.207 — link — abuse?
BlackIrish, I'm not so much of a homer to say USC destroys LSU; I think LSU is pretty darn good. If the game is truly in a neutral setting like the smurf field or something then I do think we see a real close game. LSU is good, but they have some places to exploit as does SC. LSU is fairly ranked though; they belong in the top four or five
HarvinforHeisman07 said:
posted on January 5, 2007 2:24 PM — 72.158.254.34 — link — abuse?
Irish JT - I appreciate your wit - you are a funny guy - no doubt. The coupon thing was classic. But a couple points please...
Yes the Irish get their big share and don't have to split - and that's a great deal for them. But not such a bad deal for Vandy to get 9 shares of bowl $$ for not even playing in one - including the NC game. So all us SECers don't really have that much to whine about when it comes to money. And oh yeah - it's a pretty sweet deal that the SEC has with CBS, ESPN and J Pilot Sports - again just not much to complain about.
The only difference is that
AgGB said:
posted on January 4, 2007 10:00 AM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?Well...it was to be expected. The only ranked team they beat was Penn State, and that was early in the season. Penn State only beat one ranked opponent and that was in their bowl game. ND's ranking seemed high considering that they lost handily to Michigan and USC. It was keeping with that trend that they got schilacked last night.