June 1, 2007
Get ready for: Notre Dame - Baylor?
It's a scene that Notre Dame football fans have cherished for years - the sparkle of the golden Irish helmets paired against the gold-helmeted foe. Be it Boston College, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Navy, or..... the Baylor Bears?!?
Baylor and Notre Dame are looking at playing a game in the Dallas-Fort Worth area – at either the Cotton Bowl or the Cowboys' new stadium – in 2012.Baylor athletic director Ian McCaw said, however, several issues must be resolved before any official announcement is made.
First and foremost is the television rights. The game would be a home game for Notre Dame. The Irish and Baylor would like the game to be televised by NBC, which holds the rights to Notre Dame home games.
But Big 12 officials have told McCaw that the Big 12 television contract calls for neutral site games played by member schools in what is considered a Big 12 viewing area to be aired by ABC.
Both sides believe they can get the contract details worked out, as long as NBC is willing to play ball or provide a small concession to the Big XII. If not, Notre Dame still wants to schedule a game in Dallas, but it might be with an SEC (a la Arkansas or LSU) or Mountain West (aka TCU) opponent.
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Notre Dame and Baylor?! Seriously?! The Irish venture down to Big D for a home game and it's with... Baylor?! Not Texas. Not Texas Tech/Texas A&M/TCU. Not Oklahoma. Baylor?!
Man. That's just not right.
Comments:
FanoftheGame said:
posted on June 1, 2007 5:09 PM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
It would be a shame if the networks (ABC & NBC) couldn't work this out. I think the potential TV audience of 2, maybe 3 dozen people would be greatly upset if this game didn't happen. Not to mention the 400-500 fans and stadium workers that would be in attendance.
Southlake Carroll High School is in the DFW area and they don't have any TV contracts that would prevent them from playing if Notre Dame is interested in playing a more competitive game that would draw a much larger audience.
After all, Notre Dame could still make a BCS Bowl with 3 losses, even if one of their losses was to a Texas high school. I mean, they are NOTRE DAME, after all.
posted on June 1, 2007 6:34 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
@FanoftheGame - I'm in DFW and I might even buy a ticket to ND-Southlake! ;)
@gatorhippy - Dude, that's why you're a genius. You always see the truth. :)
McDuck said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:02 PM — 71.34.97.141 — link — abuse?
What ever happened to Notre Dame being noted for always having one of the toughest Schedules in all of NCAA Division 1 football? The Irish are going to play Baylor? Whose next to be slated to play the Irish...Utah State? How about North Dakota State? Maybe Portland State and their new coach Jerry Glanville should have a crack at them. C'mon Blue and Gold "Wake up the echoes, shake down the Thunder," Get your pride back!
Zac said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:19 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Kev: Well, now I see why you cut off the "USC - Free Pass - Discipline" thread. This post is much more interesting. Or, was it because of all the criticism? I mean; I don't recall you having responded to so many posts. Why do you suppose that was? Are fans that blind to the truth, or is the truth (some of it, that is) really not that big a deal? For that matter, why have there been so many USC posts (4 in May)? Is it because they really are the "Gold Standard", or is it that sh*t attracts flies? While it is true, big deal or not, most of those things will prove to be right or close to it, and too many of them will be swept under the carpet, it's also true that the accused are innocent until proven guilty. I don't know why, but it seems we all tend to forget about that. Just a thought.
KEITH HELFRICH said:
posted on June 1, 2007 11:24 PM — 72.201.250.36 — link — abuse?
Response to Fanofthegame:
Well at least ND plays all Division 1 schools.
Let me look at 2006--I do believe that all but 1 or 2 Big 12 Schools played Division 1-AA schools.
I also remember that powerhouse Big 12 North football program from Colorado played a Division I-AA powerhouse from my home state of Montana..Montana State Bobcats beat those Colorado Buffs last year; but how fast those fans make fun of ND...At least we don't play Division I-AA programs and what is more funny--they got their #@$ kicked...
I am sure you would like ND to play Ok or TX along with Michigan, GT, Mich State, Penn State, and USC...
I wish we could join the Big East Conference and we could use the same excuse as you Big 12 or Big 10 fans--that is a conference game.. ND would still play Mich and USC as a non-conference game and also not play any Division I-AA programs.
How about those power house programs from the Big 10 last year..It is a good thing the poor Bucks have 52 weeks a year to prepare for one game--MI..
If they played in the SEC or even the PAC 10--they would've maybe finished 3rd..USC, UCLA, maybe OSU...What is OSU's record against the SEC 0-7...Wow!!! 20 yards from that Heisman winning QB..What a Joke!!!...I don't want to hear the excuse that all you OSU fans used--we lost Ted Ginn!!--My Bad the score would've been 41-17....not!!!Michael Merritt said:
posted on June 2, 2007 12:25 AM — 70.135.74.227 — link — abuse?
FanoftheGame,
The sham of a conference winner like 8-4 Florida State a couple of years ago going to a BCS game speaks volumes. Notre Dame at 10-2 playing in a BCS Bowl Game is just a worthy as some sloppy conference winner going to a BCS bowl game. Notre Dame does not have to apologize for being NOTRE DAME. If your squad, name the squad, had the tradition and fan support of the Irish then your 10-2 squad would make a BCS game as well. Except for the Championship Game, the rest of the BCS Bowl Matchups are going to be teams that bring in the most TV revenue, tradition and fan support. Enough with the whining about Notre Dame already. If you are truly a "FanoftheGame" then you would appreciate that college football is all about tradition. When BCS games can schedule tradition rich schools like Notre Dame or Alabama or Oklahoma etc.. then college football fans everywhere are winners. Alabama put 91,000 fans in the seats for a Spring Game. Did your squad?
hrposon said:
posted on June 2, 2007 9:13 AM — 70.116.117.177 — link — abuse?
Not a big deal because Notre Dame has a history of scheduling home and home games with Texas teams. Texas, Texas A&M and SMU before SMU found out what the term "Death Sentence" meant. Notre Dame just wants a recruiting trip into Texas, but don't they all...
The issue at hand is how much control over college football ABC has. The last time an SEC player won the Heisman was in 1996, a CBS conference.
ABC's minions, Herbstreit, Fowler and the rest of the boys will select someone from the one of the Rose Bowl conferences for the Heisman in September. It's good for ABC/ESPN ratings.hrposon said:
posted on June 2, 2007 2:06 PM — 70.116.117.177 — link — abuse?
Red on #14
I just looked at some Big XII non-conference schedules.
Nebraska plays USC. You got to love the Trojans nonconference scheduler...
Texas plays TCU.
Texas A&M plays the Miami Hurricanes.
Oklahoma plays Miami too. Nice NC schedule Miami.
Texas Tech plays four nail biters, SMU, Rice, Northwestern Louisiana State and UTEP.
goodolnuma5 said:
posted on June 2, 2007 11:49 PM — 65.24.221.145 — link — abuse?
I wish I could respond to this post, but I cant.
WHY?FanoftheGame said:
posted on June 4, 2007 3:57 PM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
#9 & #10....Easy Boys!
First to #9 Keith....After your post, I can see why you think Notre Ame is a top tier team. Anyone who thinks a 2-10 Colorado team is a "powerhouse" must be a litlle dillusional. Secondly, be honest! Neither you, nor any other Irish fan wants to join the Big East (or any other conference for that matter). As long as the Irish legacy overshadows their current state, Notre Ame football will keep making money without having to share with other conference schools. You will get no arguement out of me about the strength of the SEC. But lets face it, the Irish don't play to the level of the top teams in the SEC.
Now #10,Mikey....I agree that there have been other who have made it t a bowl, without proving their worth in getting there. However, The Irish's recent 10 year+ history seems to back any allegations of them not being a worthy opponent for most of their bowl games.
And yes, I truly am a "Fan of the game". I have a huge amount of respect for the traditions and history that Notre Ame has created over the past 100+ years of college football. But college football is not just about the Irish! From coast to coast and from major city to small college town- schools have helped to make this game better. My problem has never been with the history of this game- it's with the future! As long as money is the focal point without regard to good football matchups and an icreasing level of play, then the college game is doing less and less to build on these rich traditions from our storied pasts. I realize the money is a major part of today's college football, and thats okay! As long as it is only a part of it and doesn't become the only driving force in the future of the sport.
It seems as though every time I hear someone making a case for the Irish, or trying to defend their rankings or record- the whole defense is based on tradition, and not what they've done lately to deserve it. Leagacies were meant to grow with time, not just grow old. College football probably wouldn't be where it is today without the Irish, or the four horsemen, or even "Rudy". And I firmly believe that! But getting a free pass to major bowl games based on tradition, marketability, or contractual bias is what is ruining this game.
The Irish helped build it, so why help tear it down?
posted on June 4, 2007 5:01 PM — link — abuse?
#23 - I'm pretty sure that at least 40% of Baylor's student body are Baptists.
Tomcat said:
posted on June 5, 2007 1:22 AM — 70.249.45.243 — link — abuse?
Fan of Game as usual I enjoyed your posts, gatorhippY #25 THANKS. You know why you never take one Baptist fishing? because they will drink all your beer. You always take two that way they can watch each other.
Sicem-Bears BU beats ND no doubt
Southlake Carrol schedules Duke just like NDmike said:
posted on June 6, 2007 5:10 PM — 69.223.69.111 — link — abuse?
I would rather see college football teams scedual a NFL team the first week in September and donate the proceeds to be used for charities.I remember when the college all american team plaed NFL champion at Soldiers feild in Chigago.
The final list
The all-time results of the College Football All-Star game. The pros finished with a record of 31-9-2. All-stars victories and ties are listed in bold.
1934 Chicago Bears 0, All-Stars 0
1935 Chicago Bears 5, All-Stars 0
1936 Detroit Lions 7, All-Stars 7
1937 All-Stars 6, Green Bay Packers 0
1938 All-Stars 28, Washington Redskins 16
1939 New York Giants 9, All-Stars 0
1940 Green Bay Packers 45, All-Stars 28
1941 Chicago Bears 37, All-Stars 13
1942 Chicago Bears 21, All-Stars 0
1943 All-Stars 27, Washington Redskins 7
1944 Chicago Bears 24, All-Stars 21
1945 Green Bay Packers 19, All-Stars 7
1946 All-Stars 16, Los Angeles Rams 0
1947 All-Stars 16, Chicago Bears 0
1948 Chicago Cardinals 28, All-Stars 0
1949 Philadelphia Eagles 38, All-Stars 0
1950 All-Stars 17, Philadelphia Eagles 7
1951 Cleveland Browns 33, All-Stars 0
1952 Los Angeles Rams 10, All-Stars 7
1953 Detroit Lions 24, All-Stars 10
1954 Detroit Lions 31, All-Stars 6
1955 All-Stars 30, Cleveland Browns 27
1956 Cleveland Browns 26, All-Stars 0
1957 New York Giants 22, All-Stars 12
1958 All-Stars 35, Detroit Lions 19
1959 Baltimore Colts 29, All-Stars 0
1960 Baltimore Colts 32, All-Stars 7
1961 Philadelphia Eagles 28, All-Stars 14
1962 Green Bay Packers 42, All-Stars 20
1963 All-Stars 20, Green Bay Packers 17
1964 Chicago Bears 28, All-Stars 17
1965 Cleveland Browns 24, All-Stars 16
1966 Green Bay Packers 38, All-Stars 0
1967 Green Bay Packers 27, All-Stars 0
1968 Green Bay Packers 34, All-Stars 17
1969 New York Jets 26, All-Stars 24
1970 Kansas City Chiefs 24, All-Stars 3
1971 Baltimore Colts 24, All-Stars 17
1972 Dallas Cowboys 20, All-Stars 7
1973 Miami Dolphins 14, All-Stars 3
1974 No Game (NFLPA Strike)
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers 21, All-Stars 14
1976 Pittsburgh Steelers 24, All-Stars 0
keith said:
posted on June 7, 2007 1:15 AM — 72.201.250.36 — link — abuse?
response #2 to Fanofthegame...
Do you think ND needs the money?? Get real...By the way we have a new deal with the BCS...ND gets 1 million for the years when were not in a BCS game and we also only receive 4.5 million when we make it to any BCS game including the National Championship game.....ND makes plenty of money on donations alone more than enough to make up for what we receive from a bowl game...we don't need the money....
I might be one of the few ND fans that believes we should join a conference and drop that NBC televsion so we too can play those crappy conference schedules but we still would play a decent non-conference schedule with probably USC and Mich..If we joined a conference then we pretty much would be given a certain bowl based on how we finish then we wouldn't be hearing why does ND get to go to that bowl game and it wouldn't be based on our TV ratings...
Everybody said that Wisconsin should've played in a BCS game--even their coach..Hey coach last time I checked the conferences signed a deal with the BCS that only allows two teams form the same conference the opportunity to play in a BCS game...MI and OSU...Hey coach--you picked the wrong year to take a break from the Buckeyes...
FanoftheGame said:
posted on June 7, 2007 2:09 PM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
Response to #28
I never said that Notre Ame didn't have enough money. Allthough, I'm sure the university feels like they can never have enough. Your depiction of the new BCS contract that Notre Ame has only supports the idea that the Irish ( and there are others as well)are getting rewarded based on who they are and not what type of team they have. 1 million dollars for failing to make a BCS bowl is ridiculous. Again, this is whats wrong with college football.
Let's put this into perspective: If I go to work then my employer will pay me my full salary. But if I coose to stay home,and not go to work, then my employer is still going to pay me 25% of my salary? ...........YEAH, RIGHT!
This only fuels the fire that has so many people bashing the Irish. It seems to me that those people accusing the Irish of getting special treatment have a pretty good reason. You want it? Then earn it! I understand that for Irish fans this is a good deal. But the rest of the country is forced to watch a mediocore Irish team get invited to a bowl game that other teams earned the right to play in.
As far as joining a conference; Don't do it! You will regret having to go out every week and compete for you accolades and ranking. It would be too much like working for a living when you don't have too.Zac said:
posted on June 7, 2007 10:54 PM — 65.31.230.72 — link — abuse?
Ya know, FanoftheGame, as a Catholic and an occasional ND basher, I feel your pain. Here's the truth of it. Until the networks, et. al., quit coddling that school, it'll continue to be just as Keith described. What organization wouldn't accept money willingly thrown at it? It's like stupid real-estate markets. It's bad enough when people are willing to spend way too much money for a house, but if a bank is willing to lend it, who's really to blame?
IrishJT said:
posted on June 8, 2007 9:44 AM — 71.207.221.49 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame has won 19 games and went to two BCS Bowls in the last two seasons. They had a Heisman candidate and several football and academic all-americans. Every game they played was televised and every game was a sell out. beyond that, we are the 2nd winningest program of ALL TIME (congrats to Michigan...has ND by 2 wins). They have won more national titles than any other program (Alabama fans...get real!) and they graduate their kids in 4 years. This all is besides the fact that ND is as rich an academic institution as any other in country (me, Class of 95).
We are Notre Dame! Stop wondering why people hate us. Envy is among the deadliest of sins. A fair number of you are turning GREEN!!!
Go Irish!
Tomcat said:
posted on June 10, 2007 7:02 PM — 68.93.142.91 — link — abuse?
IrishJT Welcome back, Charlie Cheesburger is shakin in his boots at the thought of facing the mighty Baylor Bears.After a close OT loss to Duke and just before a road trip to Stanford. ND drops Mich and USC and picks up N Texas and Rice, yes the glory days are over for ND.Why back in 06 they actually played in a bowl.
The T.V. ratings soar as ND joins the Sun Belt then after a 1-11 season they get out.
The home & home series with Bufalo and Temple brought ND a light of hope from yesteryear as the Irish make a narrow escape from disaster at the hands of La Tech, Yes Blue & Gold the future is bright.NDAFArly said:
posted on June 10, 2007 8:46 PM — 74.132.156.159 — link — abuse?
Notre Dame is trying to schedule games in Dallas, Jacksonville and Atlanta like they used to do back in the day to try to spread their recruiting to those areas like they did in the 80's during their run as a dominant program. Rumor has it that teams like Texas(in Dallas), Miami(in Jacksonville) and Georgia (in Atlanta) won't play these games at "neutral" sites because it hurts their home game income. Can't knock Notre Dame for trying.
IrishJT said:
posted on June 11, 2007 9:03 AM — 71.207.221.49 — link — abuse?
Tomcat,
Sounds like you have Notre Dame playing an SEC/Big 12 schedule. You forget that ND plays who it wants to. If for some reason we think Rice deserves a couple million dollars one year, we'll play them. It's how we give back to the little guys.TampaGator said:
posted on June 11, 2007 9:54 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
NDAFArly/#33:
(and Irish JT--you might find this interesting too)Just a couple of anecdotes:
Coach Meyer used to recruit Florida for Notre Dame, and found he was constantly losing recruits to UF...so he went to Gainesville one day...and saw why. He wanted to be a Gator ever since. He tells this story at UF alumni gatherings.
Another little anecdote for ya'--this one favors ND, at UF's expense.
Before UF hired Ray Graves in 1960, UF had been in talks with Ara Parseghian--who agreed to take the position as HC for UF...except that someone in UF AD's office dropped the ball big time, and failed to communicate with Ara. Since UF AD hadn't heard back from AP....and since AP hadn't heard back from UF AD, they thought each other uninterested; so UF offered positoin to Ray Graves, and Ara stayed where he was (Northwestern), until he was hired by ND.
Ara actually mentioned this episode shortly after ND beat 'bama for NC after '73 season.
Since Coach Meyer chose UF over ND, I guess you can consider that something of a bit of retribution, or poetic justice...whatever; the correction of a 30 year old Gators' blunder.
I guess ND didn't come out so bad with Charlie W; and UF didn't come out so bad with Ray Graves, but things could have been quite different...
Good luck next year.
I have a sneaking suspicion that our respective programs may cross paths again, in '08.
GO GATORS!!TampaGator said:
posted on June 11, 2007 10:00 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
***CORRECTION: That's 40+ year old blunder.****.
IrishJt/#130:
I believe the number of wins is more like 39 (UM= 860 wins, ND=821 wins)...
...unless you were talk'n about percentage--which I believe is within 2% points.
No jab; just clarifying.
GO GATORS!!TampaGator said:
posted on June 11, 2007 10:46 AM — 152.163.100.70 — link — abuse?
Addendum to #35:
We'd like to think of the Ara P. deal as "devine intervention;"
While y'all got a NC's in '66 and '73...
We got Gatorade (Coach Graves was the one who commuicated with Dr. Cade--which promted him to make Gatorade for the team);
...the H-man for '66;
...and Coach Spurrier...
all of which have paid much greater dividends than a couple of NC trophies from way back when.
GO GATORS!!NDAFArly said:
posted on June 11, 2007 8:25 PM — 74.132.156.159 — link — abuse?
Actually, it is closer to 1 percent. If ND would have beat Michigan last year they would have taken over the lead they held for 40 years in percentage. The reason they don't count wins total is because Michigan started playing football 7 full years before Notre Dame (1880-1887).
Other Interesting ND-Michigan facts:Michigan won the first 8 games played since Michigan taught ND football, which accounts for there small head to head lead in the series.
Michigan refused to play ND between 1910 and 1941.
Michigan again refused to play ND between 1944 and 1977.
The AP awarded ND the NC in 1949 siting the reason because Michigan refused to play ND. Later, after the bowls were played, a poll was taken to decide the #1 team with ND exempt (since ND did not play in bowls), and Michigan was rated #1. Even the the AP still sites ND as teh 1949 NC in teh official vote, Michigan still tries to claim the NC.
Fielding Yost refused to play ND, even petitioned to have no other teams play ND between 1910 and 1941. Wasn't until he left Michigan that the rivalry was renewed in 1942. Yost also petitioned the NCAA to ban Rockne's new offense formation, which is now known today in football as the "shift formation." Yost was also key member who pushed to have other teams named National Champion during Rockne's dominant run between 1918 through 1931. ND went 105-12-5, yet was only named NC 3 times even though yielding 8 undefeated teams against college opponents (ND often played professional All-Stars, which account for half of Rockne's losses.)
As you can see, there has been much off the field hatred between these two programs.
Source: "Natural Enemies: The ND-Michigan Football Fued" by John Kryk
TampaGator said:
posted on June 12, 2007 11:18 AM — 205.188.116.201 — link — abuse?
NDAFArly/#38:
Thanks for the info and the reference; I wasn't aware (at all) of the backgroud of Michigan-Notre Dame rivalry. I enjoy reading about old time CFB; I'm kind of history buff.
I got a lot of my background info on ND from a book called Touchdown Jesus by Scott Eden. It's a pretty good read, and fairly informative. If you haven't read it, you ought to.
Also, SI published a commemorative history on ND-(kind of a "cliff notes" history--with photos...); fairly informative as well; I'm sure you'd love that one, as any good Irish fan would. I picked it up last year, read it cover to cover, and passed it along friend of mine who is ND alum--he was duly grateful.I've got to say, that for all the knocks on Notre Dame, and all the "arrogance" that is associated with ND--some of the most humble and genuine folks I've known, have been Notre Dame alumni.
Good luck next season.
GO GATORS!!
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blueandgold1977 said:
posted on June 1, 2007 4:55 PM — 217.86.102.165 — link — abuse?I've got bigger things to worry about than a game that might happen in 5 years.