September 17, 2007
When will the "Can Ty" Irish fans turn on Weis?
Things are looking pretty bleak for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team. Let's go through the list:
Notre Dame is ranked #119 in rushing. (Dead last in college football)
Notre Dame is ranked #119 in total offense. (Dead last in college football)
Notre Dame is ranked #119 in scoring offense. (Dead last in college football)
Notre Dame is ranked #115 in passing offense. (Fourth worst in college football)
Notre Dame is ranked #119 in sacks allowed. (Dead last in college football)
Notre Dame has lost its last five games by more than 20 points each game.
If Coach Weis, as I will remind you, said this is not a rebuilding year. So... what is it exactly? Has Ty's talent graduated?
Comments:
1st_and_NOLE said:
posted on September 18, 2007 8:46 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?
Yes. I believe the Jr's on the team are Weis' first class.
I thought it was funny most ND fans blamed Weis' first two seasons on Ty's players but...
Wasn't ND golden boy Brady Quinn a Ty recruit? Oh, that's right, he was.
Who ya blaming now ND fans???
gatorstud said:
posted on September 18, 2007 9:05 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
right on kev....how can you consider weis as an offensive genious and yet his offense has not yielded one touchdown...just one....three games...no offensive touchdowns....who would of thought that duke would get a win before notre dames offense scores a td....and it hasn't looked like their even close to getting one...they look horrible....
it's gonna be along year for the irish faithful.....long year..
go gators...and hokies
Shtr Mkgvn said:
posted on September 18, 2007 9:16 AM — 206.15.203.10 — link — abuse?
Bad things happen to bad people. Charlie is a bad guy. The comments from the QB that left are just the tip of the iceberg. ND is in a no win situation. This will take 2-3yrs to fix. Once kids start losing its hard to turn the corner. A freshman class doesn't change the tone. Sr's and JR's set the tone - and they've been neutered. Hopefeully for the irish they can tie Charlie into the New England scandal and void the contract. Either way Charlie is not going to like living in South Bend - its not a big town. Is John Gruden available???
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 9:30 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse?
said:
Not to worry. They'll still get to go to a BCS bowl game, because people like Beano Cook still think the Irish are in the middle of a dynasty.
OK seriously, this is a deep pit the program is falling into, but this is only Weis' third season. You have to give a new coach at least 5 years before you yank him, and I'm betting ND allows him that after the Willingham debacle. Weis will be there until at least 2007.
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 9:33 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
I love typos! That's supposed to read 2009. More coffee, please.
Hricane23 said:
posted on September 18, 2007 9:45 AM — 170.135.241.46 — link — abuse?
Not that I'm nitpicking... okay, I'm nitpicking! First off, there's now #120 teams in Div I. And the rankings I saw show ND at 114th in passing offense. So, there's the silver lining! Unfortunately, since I've just built them up, I've got to knock them down. Because of the addition of Western Kentucky to the Div I ranks, ND is actually one spot lower, at #120, in total offense and rushing offense. I didn't see the other categories.
Sadly, my Canes are only 2 spots better in passing. But my alma mater, the mighty Jayhawks of Kansas are #4 in total offense!!!
Rock Chalk Jayhawk... Let's go Canes!
posted on September 18, 2007 10:14 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
Guys, I have to apologize for dropping the links. The server has been getting hammered pretty steady since last night. Apparently I made the webmaster mistake of p*ssing off ND fans, Clemson fans, (now) FSU fans all during the same time frame. Now the server is getting absolutely killed by several very highly trafficked message board referrals. So... I've been hand coding everything and uploading it through MySQL, but I forgot to encode my links.
Long story short, I intended to link to the rankings. Should be fixed now. Also, things might be a little wonky around the site today & maybe tomorrow while we mirror the site over a couple of servers.
Shtr Mkgvn said:
posted on September 18, 2007 10:17 AM — 206.15.203.10 — link — abuse?
Seriously - Charlie pissed off everyone within the tri-state area when he was winning. Those who do not know him thought he was the savior. His true personality will come to the surface at a bad time. Still think Clausen transfers this year. His dad will not let him get killed - needs to have 1 son make it to the pros. There were 4 guys sacking his at the same time. "I'll take a bacon, lettuce and Clausen sandwich".
GatorMatt said:
posted on September 18, 2007 10:35 AM — 128.227.103.43 — link — abuse?
Maybe Charlie can't win anymore b/c he took down the hidden cameras that were placed on the sidelines. How long before IrishJT comes on here and says something like "We're Notre Dame, you're not," and then proceeds to talk about how much money they make from their tv contract. I for one am glad to see this team completely tank their season in just 3 games. I'm predicting the Irish go 3-10 this season. And I say 3-10 b/c we all know no matter how poorly they do, they will still end up in a bowl game while some deserving team sits at home. I'm just wondering how long it will take the Irish faithful to realize they hired a false prophet
Hricane23 said:
posted on September 18, 2007 10:40 AM — 170.135.241.46 — link — abuse?
Ole' Kev...
You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to. No one's going to let Western Kentucky fan say their losses are "provisional losses".
But I have to admit, the rankings I saw were "unofficial". Now, I see where you got your numbers, and it's probably more official.
Maybe this link will work:
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/mainpage.jspcctke455 said:
posted on September 18, 2007 12:31 PM — 168.216.57.172 — link — abuse?
Its funny how the Pre-Season ranking are based on bowl wins from previous season.
For Example:
USC is ranked #1 for thumping Michigan in the Rose Bowl.LSU is #2 for Thumping Notre Dame at Home...well in the Sugar Bowl.
Look how Notre Dame and Michigan are doing this year.
Maybe USC and LSU is overranked, but it doesn't matter because they were number 1 to start the season.
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 12:53 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
Gator Boys (#17):
Yep, and it turned out well for the Illini. He's turning their program around. As a matter of fact, Illinois showed everybody how Ohio State could be beaten in the second half of their game last year. UF fans should be eternally grateful to him.
I think Zook was given a raw deal at UF, and his situation doesn't change my opinion about the "5 year period".
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 1:43 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
Actually, gatorhippy, I have to correct both of us now. Last week I said I'd fire Carr if he lost to Notre Dame, and since Notre Dame is last in CFB in several categories, and the way their season was going up to that point, I think it would've been justified.
So, as I stated before, he gets more time to square away the season, and get his players to play for him. Looks like he might get his players to generate more effort.
Now, if Michigan starts to play like they did against Oregon and completely torpedo their season, I reserve the right to say "Fire him now."
gatorhippy
posted on September 18, 2007 1:46 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#21):
The point being your saying that Zook got a raw deal with a mid season firing and three year stint...
And that Weis deserves two more years to drag down the Irish...
But yet you would like to see Carr fired after 11 years with a over .700 record and one MNC in his pocket and two others a loss away...
Carr has proved his worth and had proven it by the third year...
Look at his record in the third year compared to both Zook and Weis...
I'm just not a fan of mid season firings...
We can even look at Coker at Miami and see the difference between a constant downward spiral (Zook, Weis) in the face of a MNC...
Compared to Carr's ability to rebound from the downs...
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 1:58 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy(#24):
So? Zook didn't get 5 years to get players sold on his program and get his recruits fully integrated. I think it's a crock.
I've been over my reasons for justifying Carr's firing in midseason already in the other post. He shouldn't have had any trouble getting this team ready for this season. Top 5 ranking, all the returning starters, their talk of a National Title, and then the first two games of the season happened. Then, if they lose to Notre Dame...wow. But they didn't. So he stays a while longer.
Your point still doesn't make sense and it isn't useful to bring this up again...unless you love making glue. So, let's agree to disagree on the Lloyd Carr issue, OK?
gatorhippy
posted on September 18, 2007 2:00 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#23):
Again, I think I'm just looking at you saying that after three BIG losses Weis deserves the benefit of the doubt...
But after Carr loses two he should be canned after 30 years at Michigan and eleven as the HC...
If either deserves the benefit of the doubt, Carr is decidely so more deserving...
JMHO, we've seen Weis not be able to get the job done over the past two seasons and beginning his third...
His recruits should be stepping up now but it's not happening and ND has looked horrible this season...
Notre Dame is as bad as they have looked but I don't think that's the case with Michigan...
Michigan just had a rough patch to start out...
Maybe a little too much cranial inflation and subsequently got caught...
Carr has proven already he can rebound...
I think that Weis deserves the chance to show he can rally his kids, too...
gatorhippy
posted on September 18, 2007 2:04 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#25):
Okay we'll leave LLoyd out of it...
But answer this...
Do you think Zook could have led that Gator team to a MNC last season in what would have been his fifth year?
Do you see Charlie leading ND to a title in two seasons from now?
Answer honestly...
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 2:08 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#24):
Once again, let me repeat myself. What were the expectations of Michigan and the expectations of Notre Dame going into the season? Short answer is, vastly different.
Two different situations. IMHO, Carr's firing would've been justified, and Weis' wouldn't be until he gets a few seasons with his own recruits.
All the rest is beating a dead horse, so again, let's agree to disagree.
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 2:17 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
Do you think Zook could have led that Gator team to a MNC last season in what would have been his fifth year?
What a convenient question. Here's another one. We'll never know the answer to that, will we?
Do you see Charlie leading ND to a title in two seasons from now?
Once again, convenient question. I don't read tea leaves very well. I never dreamed Michigan would have lost to Appalachian State and be 1-2 at this moment just before the season began. I also would've never guessed that Utah would've given UCLA a good spanking in Salt Lake City prior to that game, either. Now that you've had a convenient answer to that question, here's another convenient question. How do you know Carlie Weis won't lead them to a title in two seasons from now?
Answer honestly...
No sweat.
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 2:41 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy: (#30)
My opinion is that I think they both deserve or deserved to get at least 5 years to make their programs successful. I'm also not going to sit here and say that coaches have to win a National Title 5 years from their date of hire or they're gone. There aren't many coaches that have been able to do that.
Whether I think they could've done it or not is irrelevant, as are your unrealistic and unanswerable questions, IMHO.
gatorhippy
posted on September 18, 2007 4:12 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
Tom B (#31):
While I certainly respect your opinion as always...
You seem to have developed a bit of an attitude over my disagreement with your asessment of hiring and firing coaches and the philosophy applied to it...
Really in the end it all boils down to...
"Is this the right guy for the program?"
This is the decision that has to be made....
Zook, despite his terrific recruiting ability, made poor decisions in team management, leadership and development along with poor game day decisions...
He was lacking in qualities that would have enabled him to win that MNC in his fifth year, IMO...
Hence the answer to the "right guy" question is "NO"...
Weis at this point seems to be having the same troubles as Zook, with recruiting issues compounding the situation...
Whether a coach will have their teams in position to win/contend for a MNC is HIGHLY RELEVANT as to whether or not they should be fired or not...
Especially in the first three years...
At this point Weis doesn't look like he'll have ND shaped up for contention anytime soon...
So again, the answer to the "right guy" question has to be "NO"...
So if winning the MNC (ideally, the premise and purpose of the season in CFB) is irrelevant?
What, in your opinion, is the relevant factor of a coach's tenurte?
gatorstud said:
posted on September 18, 2007 4:43 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
boy, i tell you what....there is one person who is loving that all the attention being on carr and weiss....mr. phillip fulmer....it seems that with all the headline on carr and weis..fulmer has slid under the "media" radar as a head coach on the hot seat...1-2 start to season and got thumped by cal and florida....i'd say that fulmer's ass is getting hot on that frying pan....
i am not doggin on tenn. but this is not what volunteer faithful had visioned for their team this season...especally w/ an experienced ainge at the helm....
c'mon volpimp...you can come out now.....i know your hurtin...but come on out...i want your take on this....
go gators...and hokies
gatorhippy
posted on September 18, 2007 4:54 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse? said:
g-stud (#33):
Too true on the Fulmer situation...
And UT is one place they love to fry long tenure coaches...
Remember Johnny Majors?
He had a freakin' heart attack because of all the pressure from the UT fanbase...
Since Fulmer replaced him in that season...
I don't think the Vols fanbase has ever been happy enough with Phil for himn not to be on the hot seat...
But has always done enough not to get dumped in the fire...
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 5:18 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#32):
"You seem to have developed a bit of an attitude over my disagreement with your asessment of hiring and firing coaches and the philosophy applied to it...
No, I respect your opinion, because you bring up valid points. I just don't like beating a dead horse by having to repeat myself a lot, and I get annoyed when people ask unanswerable questions in order to make a "point". I like to try to stick to reality when I can. You have no idea whether Zook would've won one or not. That's your opinion; he never got the real chance to prove you wrong. As far as Weis goes...like I said, it doesn't look good for him to bring home a National Title in 2 seasons, but he still may do just that. We don't know. And, even if he doesn't win the MNC in 2 seasons from now, but he's able to turn things around, who's to say he won't win one within a period of 5-10 years? It's a completely different situation at ND. They have a long way to go--they haven't won a bowl game for 9 years, for crying out loud. That's not Weis' fault.
Then on top of repeating myself...you still don't get what I said:
So if winning the MNC (ideally, the premise and purpose of the season in CFB) is irrelevant?
I never said winning the MNC was irrelevant. You completely fabricated that. I said that my opinion as to whether they could or not was irrelevant.
See the difference?
Further on my point, once a coach has a solid program, he can then work on a MNC--if he happens to win one within 5 years, then super. Once again, there are very few coaches that have won a National Title within 5 years of being hired. If you want to fire coaches based on winning the MNC within 5 years...you'll be hiring and firing a lot of coaches. Lucky for Florida and Urban Meyer, he won one pretty quickly...with a lot of Ron Zook's recruits.
The point I made earlier on this discussion thread was a coach should be given 5 years to make the program successful. Then you threw out a comment about our previous discussion about Lloyd Carr, which has nothing to do with my point. My reasoning behind saying Carr should be fired if he lost to ND were already given, and with as much success as he's had, in an established program, I think it'd be inexcusable for him to be unable to get players excited to play for him--which was the main problem I cited after their Oregon game. IMHO, it's ridiculous for Michigan to be 1-2 right now, especially since it had everything to do with the players' attitudes. Now that he's beaten ND, though, I give him a reprieve unless he loses 3 in a row and in the process, loses control of his players again.
ND players aren't giving up on Charlie Weis...yet. So, everything I've said about this has been consistent. You seem to be trying to point out that I haven't been.
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 5:25 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy:
By the way, you aren't the guy that got tasered yesterday while questioning Kerry, were you?
;-)
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 5:56 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#38):
No, I don't think so, and the Demetrius Jones situation reflects very badly on Weis. Two more years is a lot of time to get on track, though. We'll see.
If he isn't given five years, there will be an exact duplicate of the Tyrone Willingham scenario. I don't think Notre Dame will make that mistake again.
A five year time frame can work for or against coaches; it can either be damning evidence or their salvation. You may say three is enough, but I don't think that gives coaches enough time to establish themselves or get their recruits into the flow of things. I also think Weis has a lot more damage to recover from than most other coaches.
gatorhippy
posted on September 18, 2007 9:11 PM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
Tommy B (#39):
That's my point...
Do you give Weis two more years to run off kids and lose recruiting ground?
The Irish already have big recruiting hurdle in stringent admission requirements...
We could fully see a Coker-like meltdown at ND if they allow him to stay 5 years...
Or the Cheeseburger could get the momentum and the light could come on for his kids...
It is a young team, but in comparison not much different in demographics than UF as far as youth...
And those are two programs that are light years apart right now...
But easily comparable given that both coaches took the reins at the same time under similiar circumstances...
Even more ironic given that Weis was the Irish second choice to Meyer...
Which poses another question...
If they had ended up opposite, would we be seeing UF success under Weis and Irish struggle under Meyer?
My instincts tell me "no"...
Tom Blogical
posted on September 18, 2007 10:34 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
gatorhippy (#40):
Lose recruiting ground at Notre Dame? How much more ground could they lose? Dumping Willingham after three seasons didn't help the recruiting situation at all. Weis' big recruiting leverage is that he's coached in the NFL for a multiple Super Bowl winner. I don't foresee him having that much difficulty (any more than you could have at ND) unless this continues into the next two seasons. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. If it does turn into a Coker-like situation, then nobody can say Notre Dame didn't give Weis a good opportunity--like the Willingham scenario.
I really don't think there is a comparison between the quality of athlete recruited at Notre Dame and Florida right now. Notre Dame might've snagged a few top notch Blue Chippers in recent years, but the depth Florida gets every year is much better. Reasons? Differences in admittance requirements, success in bowl games, the possibility of getting drafted in the NFL, stability of the program, (how much they get paid--OK, that's just a joke, LOL!). Is that all Weis' fault? I don't think so.
The real debate is if Weis can overcome the issues that led up to his arrival, and I think they selected him based on his NFL credentials hoping it would translate to better recruiting classes.
This isn't a situation where Weis has been there for years and has gotten stagnant or lazy, the game has passed him by, or he's lost control of the program--although the Jones transfer is a bad omen. That could be a precursor or a fluke.
"If they had ended up opposite, would we be seeing UF success under Weis and Irish struggle under Meyer?"
That's really a "Is Charlie Weis a better head coach than Urban Meyer?" question. I think we both agree Urban Meyer wins out hands down. However, that's not the question. All that says is Florida won the bid for the best available coach, and Notre Dame got the best of the leftovers...supposedly. So, replace any name in place of Weis' name in your question, and I'd bet your instincts would tell you "no" again. It's tough to beat the winner of the MNC.
Now, in Weis' defense, Brady Quinn turned into a better quarterback, and the team did respond well for the most part last year. I don't think anybody predicted things would be this bad offensively for them right now. For all we know, the quarterbacks at UF would've responded to Weis the same way Quinn did. That's all speculation, as is how UF as a whole would've done under Weis.
Notre Dame looked to be on the upswing last year, and seemed to need to focus their recruiting on the defensive side of the ball (secondary, anyone?) to get their act together. I, for one, am surprised at how bad they are this year.
OK, now here's a question for you to ponder. Why do you think Meyer took the UF position over Notre Dame? (I ask that question without knowing the monetary situation at all--that would be a big factor and an obvious one, so let's throw that consideration out.)
gatorhippy
posted on September 19, 2007 6:35 AM — 70.121.185.56 — link — abuse? said:
Tommy B (#41):
Until Weis or Meyer leaves, they're kind of like Shaq and Zo...
Because they both started at the same time in high profile jobs, they'll be compared...
Yeah, without a doubt Meyer seems to relate better to players, get the most out of them and gets them to buy into his program...
I would feel pretty confident, however, that the Irish would be looking at a better situation had the school been able to land Meyer...
I don't think the Irish would have been staring down a MNC shot last season but would have been in contention regardless of BCS favoritism...
As it was, they were out early with the Mich St. loss and then were exposed in their Sugar Bowl beating by LSU...
With the aknowledgement that ND lost recruiting ground between Ty and Charlie...
How much more ground can they afford to lose the longer they allow Charlie to stay...
Looking at the comparison of athletes at ND and UF currently, you have to admit it always hasn't been so...
Notre Dame hasn't had top recruiting classes in nearly ten years and I don't see it getting any better....
Admittedly, it's not necessarily Charlie but possibly the reasons we have previously mentioned that hampers their recruiting...
However, ND has to find the "right guy" that can work past those issues and actually turn them in ND's favor which will be a tough job...
I'm not real sure Weis is that guy...
As far as why Meyer came to Hogtown rather than South Bend...
Meyer himself has said it before...
He considered UF a place where he could win and win fast while recruiting the best talent in the most loaded area of the country...
Doing it all along in the most competitive conference which presented a challnge within itself...
Tom Blogical
posted on September 19, 2007 7:42 AM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
Meyer himself has said it before...He considered UF a place where he could win and win fast while recruiting the best talent in the most loaded area of the country...Doing it all along in the most competitive conference which presented a challnge within itself...
That's the money quote. Notre Dame is now in a position where they're behind the 8-ball and have to be patient with the person they hire. Not to sound like Lou Holtz, but if you cut the grass too short it's going to die. Florida isn't (and wasn't when Meyer was hired) in the same position with their football program.
Not only that, but there is an attitude change throughout the Notre Dame power structure that needs to happen. They think they're an elite program, and, I'm sorry for CFB to say it, but they're not anymore, and haven't been for a while. They have unrealistic expectations, and partly because of that, they're slowly turning into one of the academies. They need to give someone a chance to stay there for a while to clean house, start from scratch and rebuild. As a matter of fact, Charlie Weis himself needs to admit that they have to rebuild. Is he the guy? I don't know, and looking at the situation now, I doubt it. However, that doesn't change the fact that he has the job now and deserves the proper amount of time to do what he needs to do. Three years at any school isn't enough for that, especially at Notre Dame.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Just ask Joe Paterno.
TampaGator said:
posted on September 19, 2007 4:15 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Tom B:
Zook was given a position he didn't earn or deserve. Great guy, made a valiant effort--he could've written his own ticket--but he was simply in way over his head. UF FB program declined big time in terms of discipline--our players were constantly running afoul of the law. Wins and losses was a small part of the equation.
You had none of that with Carr, W'ham, or Weis.
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!
Tom Blogical
posted on September 19, 2007 6:40 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
TampaGator (#44):
I don't doubt what you're saying; however he got the job. He and anyone else that gets a head coaching job deserves a real chance to do it right.
I definitely agree that players running afoul of the law is a huge problem--that's a tough situation.
You contributed a good $.02--you might've just made it a dime--you had an "interest-ing" take. ;-)
posted on September 20, 2007 10:07 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
Didn't Ty just upset Boise State? Looks like Ty is doing better than Weis to me.
Notre Dame fired Ty because they thought they had Meyer locked up. Meyer did have an out in his contract at Utah if Notre Dame or Michigan offered him a job.
Utah, grateful for the Fiesta Bowl pay out and seeing that Notre Dame was courting Meyer, released him from his contract and Meyer suprised alot of people by taking the Florida job.
Notre Dame was stuck with out a good coach. I guess they could have gone after Dan Peterson, then at Boise State. I believe Ty is bettern than what they have now.
Just a thought.
TampaGator said:
posted on September 20, 2007 11:44 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Ben/#47:
That's exactly right (why they canned Ty). If Meyer wasn't making his miracle run at Utah, and--communicating his availability and interest in other opps (to the world at large)--Notre Dame doesn't trip over itself in canning Ty.
Oh the pressure would still be on Ty, but without the "messiah" apparently readily available, they probably give Ty his 5 yrs. ND felt it had to make a move--and by ND, I mean ND Nation--especially from the northern regions (i.e. alumni, benefactors...), from whence apparently irresistible pressure descended.
Point being: Ty's firing wasn't racially motivated--it was motivated by greed (I'm not saying that pejoratively either). I can't fault ND one bit in going after UM--other than the way they went about it (they left themselves exposed to the virtual kick in the nuts they got).
Likewise (or is it conversely), I think it's a bunch of crap when ND Fan slings mud at Meyer or Florida for hooking up. It was simply the fair market at work; deal with it (hell, if anything, ND tried to swoop in and "steal" UM from UF...but we're ok with that, since...well, you know why...).
Besides, as I've posted before, ND got Ara Parsegian out from under UF's nose on a fluke (UF president's office failed to communicate UF's interest to him (UF inferred from the silence, that Ara not interested), so he was available for ND job. He would have taken UF job in a heartbeat--even commented on such, after ND beat 'bama for NC in '73)). What's the word here...kharma?
Anyway, Notre Dame will be back; this isn't the first time they've slipped into mediocrity--just the longest, and therefore probably the most painful--but they'll be back.
Great place to start would be tearing down that air conditioned marshmallow-making indoor practice facility....
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!Lennie Collins
posted on September 20, 2007 11:59 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse? said:
I was watching ESPN Thursday and I noticed ol' Charles Weis has only won 2 more wins as Ty Willingham after 3 years. All the stats(Points allowed, 20+ margin losses, etc.) are about the same. Notre Dame Fans were talking like the comparisons were worlds apart! One of the ESPN sports announcers(Skip) made a great point...Charlie Weis has a 10 year contract. Notre Dame most likely is not going to fire him!
M GO BLUE said:
posted on September 20, 2007 3:52 PM — 216.46.213.15 — link — abuse?
Why should fan's have to watch their team get torched game after game because of poor coaching?
If the coach can't get the job done...........GOOD BYE!!
Carr will not change, and that is his biggest problem, not during an off-season, not during a game.......changes are needed and when a coach refuses to alter his flawed gameplan.........GOOD BYE!!!
Is Carr good?????? Not good enough for Michigan.
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1st_and_NOLE said:
posted on September 18, 2007 8:13 AM — 71.14.108.232 — link — abuse?I guess Weis isn't the offensive genius everyone thought he was.
Take away Tom Brady and give him some college scrub and his offense looks miserable.