January 23, 2008
Notre Dame inks game with USF Bulls
In a sign of the meteoric rise of USF football, Notre Dame will host the USF Bulls in South Bend on November 19, 2011.
USF will earn the distinction of being just the third Florida team to play before Touchdown Jesus (Florida State and Miami have previously played in South Bend).
Earlier this season, Burnham said he hoped USF would one day get to play at Notre Dame."That's the kind of game this program needs," Burnham said. "To go and win those types of games to get this program where we want it to get to."
The home date for the Irish is a one-game deal and part of UND's larger commitment to play Big East opponents.
The Notre Dame game adds even more red meat to the Bulls 2011 schedule. USF hosts the Miami Hurricanes the week after playing the Irish.
Comments:
gatorhippy
posted on January 23, 2008 2:26 PM — 209.16.115.5 — link — abuse?
said:
This is the same formula Bobby Bowden employed to bring FSU to prominence.
It's only part of the formula...
What Leavitt needs now is some good old fashioned multi-institutional probations to happen in order to lock down recruiting in the state and build a benefit that will last about ten to fifteen years before it fizzles out similiar to what Bobby has self admittedly professed to be the root of the Noles 1990's success...
Is it happening?
FSU seems to be providing the first piece in that with their academic fraud problems...
UCG has pretty much shot themselves in the foot until they get through the Shannon years and hire a better coach...
UF could be on thr brink with the mumblings that have surfaced the past few seasons between crime, recruting and possible booster interference...
If two out of the big three get nailed then USF and the odd man out are poiosed to seize control for a number of years...
Cane Mutiny
posted on January 23, 2008 3:23 PM — 65.12.247.141 — link — abuse? said:
Hahaha, "get through the Shannon years"... you Gators are funny...
Good luck to South Florida - kick Notre Dame's ass in their house.
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It's great to be a Miami Hurricane!
1989: "God Made Notre Dame #1. Miami Made Them #2."Zac said:
posted on January 23, 2008 8:24 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I dunno. If Miami & ND, not to mention Louisville, have righted the ship, if Cincinnati isn't a one season wonder, and if WVU continues as it has without RR, 2011 could be a seriously tough year for S FL. But, to be the best, ya play the best, and the Bulls have had WVU's # for the past 2 seasons. I'd say they're gonna be around for a while. The good news, there are plenty of recruits to go around to keep FL, FL St, Miami, and S FL happy. Now, if FL Atlantic (Was it FL International?) or C FL continue to improve, in time that could eventually have an impact on all of them.
U. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on January 23, 2008 9:47 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
The South Bend Sinners continue to dodge the schedule they need to return to national prominence. I think they figure S. Florida is high profile cupcake. I kind of agree. However, Notre Dame is a much higher profile cupcake, in my humble opinion.
wvu_lifer
posted on January 24, 2008 1:25 AM — 75.109.107.108 — link — abuse? said:
I think it's time for ND to stop being greedy and join the Big East (like the Bball team did). It's hard to survive as an Independent anymore. They're only seen on NBC. Joining the conference would help them more financially than hurt them. Not to mention bring them back into the spotlight. They would be playing ranked teams in a competetive conference, hence more exposure. I'm glad S. Fla accepted, Go Bulls!!
c-dogg said:
posted on January 24, 2008 10:02 AM — 66.219.131.67 — link — abuse?
hrposon(#10),
your joking right? Who cares what the AP poll thinks? No big time recruits are choosing USF over any of the BIG state schools. That poll is worthless to me and the Blue Chip recruits that are choosing Miami over USF on signing day next month.
Go Canes! Get some recruits!
posted on January 24, 2008 6:19 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?War Eagle Atlanta
said:
Mr. MaC: Yes they did, but that doesn't make my statement any less true. They started out 6-0, but then lost 4 of their last 7 games.
I had new-found respect for them the way they started, especially beating WV. They faltered, but that's the way it is in the big leagues. I'm sure they'll be back. I'd play them again.
hrposon said:
posted on January 24, 2008 8:14 PM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?
@ 14 c-dogg - Actually, USF may be the next Miami by jumping on the national scene, big time and in a hurry. Beating Auburn, WVU, Louisville and Pitt catapulted them into the limelight.
I hope you get your recruits but the competition just got a little stiffer.
Besides, Notre Dame and Texas are also now hunting in the Sunshine State.Bevo Boy said:
posted on January 24, 2008 9:29 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, next year we have a pretty tough schedule (notice I did not say a tough non-conference schedule) so it will really test Mack and his coaching staff to prepare the players every week, which was definitely a problem last year. However, I think Mack will still give us a 10+ win season.
Lennie Collins
posted on January 24, 2008 9:40 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy Post #21 you are correct. Even though Arkansas beat Louisiana State and Central Florida only lost to Texas by 3 in Orlando...the Texas Longhorns will beat them by a lot here in Austin. Their conference schedule is where they will be tested! The same goes exactly for Oklahoma whose non-conference schedules is weaker than Texas!
Lennie Collins
posted on January 24, 2008 9:52 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy Post #23 Oklahoma's non-conference schedule and how I think the results gone be:
Tennessee-Chattanooga - Oklahoma first game. Should score more points than the basketball team ! OU 84 UTC 6
Cinncinati - First trip to the state of Oklahoma. Last trip to the state of Oklahoma! OU 52 UC 24
Washington - Tyrone have Huskies ready but not strong enough! OU 34 UW 27
Texas Christian - Oklahoma goes ape (beep)! Gets revenge for last to home losseses! OU 45 TCU 14
Lennie Collins
posted on January 24, 2008 10:19 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy Post #25...I gots dis feeling that da game in Dallas will be a OU victory in a blowout! Texas has too many players living for the draft. As much as i dislike Texas I would like to see those players stay to earn their degree. That is gone help them in the long run! OU 42 UT 14.
Zac said:
posted on January 24, 2008 11:12 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, Bevo Boy, other than TN Chattanooga, that's a challenging way for OK to start the year. The good news: They're all home games. The bad news: WA has been known to play well on the road, early in the season. Not to mention, Cinci is for real. They bring a tough, veteran defense, and QB, Ben Maulk, will be a 3 year starter. While I do agree that OK will win that one in Norman, I don't see your Sooners scoring 40 pts, let alone 50. I think it could be closer to 38-27. As for the rest, you probably have them right.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 24, 2008 11:26 PM — 192.94.94.105 — link — abuse? said:
How in the world would OU go undefeated and not play for a national championship? Does 2003 ring a bell? OU will probably be the only team in the BCS era to have ever lost the conference title and still play for a national championship.
Zac said:
posted on January 24, 2008 11:48 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
WVU_lifer (Post 12), the only way ND will wind up in a conference is if the rest of the college football world boycotts or simply ignores the school. That ND should completely join the Big East is not necessarily in their best interest, especially now that the cost of travel is so high.
Realistically, the Big-Ten is a far better fit; not to mention, the Big-Ten has been wooing ND for years. Its commissioners have gone so far as to having tried reverse psychology by entertaining thoughts of expansion with other schools, such as MO & Pitt. They've even considered expanding further east, having considered Syracuse, among others.
The reason ND has not joined a conference, the reason they stand alone, is because it can. As the flag-ship university of the Catholic Church, and so long as the Catholic Church is rich and powerful, ND will get what ever it needs resource-wise to have a successful football team, not to mention be successful in academia. ND will never join a conference until it makes good business sense to do so. For the time being, as far as ND's concerned, it does not.
wvu_lifer
posted on January 25, 2008 12:40 AM — 75.109.107.108 — link — abuse? said:
Zac,
I completely forgot about the church funding. That makes complete sense. Yes, they can stand alone, they are ND. I just dislike the fact they they play Big East basketball and not football as well. I think it would be good on both sides if they were to join. Yes, the Big Ten is by far the best choice for them. They already have rivals with at least 2 schools i can think of off the top of my head (Purdue and Sparty).Not to mention USC, lol. If they have a few more seasons like the last couple, they may reconsider thier thinking.
However, looks like Charlie has a great recruiting class, so, who knows.As far as ND and the SEC, once ND becomes ND again, they'll play anyone!
Lennie Collins
posted on January 25, 2008 7:47 AM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Zac Post #30...Oklahoma plays Washington in Seattle. The only "hard" games might come in College Station and/or Stillwater! 40 Acres of Burnt Orange #31 if Southern California goes undefeated and a team from the SEC the Title game will of course pick that instead of a Big 12 school, that's how! Conference Title are not the only factor to determine who plays for the National Title...if it did the NCAA would have ALL conferences play them.
TampaGator said:
posted on January 25, 2008 12:31 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Zac/#32:
"...so long as the Catholic Church is rich and powerful, ND will get what ever it needs resource-wise..."
Et tu, Brute? (seen as you've proclaimed, on multiple occasions, your catholicity).
Please get your facts straight.
Notre Dame--like every other Catholic institution of higher education-- is financially independent. If it gets ANY help, it would be from the CSC--that's a religious order of PRIESTS who founded it (and for the most part, continue to run it)--and who have taken vows of chastity and poverty. Simple folk. Not rich.
Not one red cent from the Vatican has ever made its way to the coffers of ND--not since its inception. I forget the diocese to which they pertain, but (if recollection serves) they've never hit their diocese up for money either. If they did, I'm quite certain they've paid it back in spades.
Notre Dame was a working mans' school in the days of Rockne through Leahy, and into Parsagian. It din't become "elite" until the mid '70's. Even to this day, your Ivy league schools enjoy much larger endowments: Harvard at like $28 Bil, Yale at like $25...while ND is bearly over $5 Bil.
Harvard and Yale were originally religious (protestant) in origin; they went secular in the 1800's. That Notre Dame remains true to its Catholic roots rather than buckling to secular peer pressure, is commendable. Make that admirable.
Please lay off of this ridiculous myth you continue to perpetuate, about how the filthy rich, greedy, money-grubbing Catholic Church continues to fund ND (or any other Catholic university). It is factually wrong, and serves only to detract from the good and honest work of those who bust their ass to make those places function successfully.
GO GATORS!!
Zac said:
posted on January 25, 2008 2:58 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
TampaG, 1st a sincere apology: I don’t care who you are on this blog; if you’re going to comment, you’re taking a chance that your comment will upset someone at one time or another. In an attempt to make a point, sometimes it happens. It doesn’t matter to me who it is that gets upset, if I’m involved, that’s all that matters. My intention was not to upset anyone, only to make a point.
That having been said, I never said, nor meant to imply, that either the Catholic Church or ND were “…filthy rich, greedy, money-grubbing…” organizations, only that the Catholic Church is rich and powerful, and that ND gets what it needs. I’ve been a member of the Catholic Church in one capacity or another for 54 years. I’ve seen and read a lot in that time, some of which I found disappointing. I’ve debated my disapproval regarding one point or another with more than one priest, monsignor, bishop, arch-bishop, even a couple of cardinals, none of which, by the way, had anything to do with ND.
I won’t claim to know more about ND than you. However, in addition to that which you feel I have perpetuated, I have also lauded ND as one of the finest academic institutions in the country, staffed by among the greatest teaching minds in the world. I’ve even commented upon my appreciate for the movie Ruddy as being one of my favorites. As for whether or not ND has had an “unfair” advantage given their place in the Catholic Church, I’ll only say I know what I know, and in the interest of peace, I’ll say no more, and here-by agree hence-forth to say no more in that regard.
Zac said:
posted on January 25, 2008 3:23 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
With regards to ND in a conference, as previously stated, the Big-Ten is their best geographic fit. Maurice, on the open thread seems to think TX will join the Big-10 and BC will eventually return to the Big East. So, I shall respond to that on the open thread.
OU-Ron
posted on January 25, 2008 3:50 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo, of course Texas will be tough, they are most of the time, but I can see how Lennie might think that ATM would be a tougher game, they beat Texas the last two years, and OU will be playing them at their house this year.
Okla State had Texas down by 21 points two different times this past year and Texas wins on a last second FG.
I’m not sure Lennie is that far off of his predictions…JMO
TampaGator said:
posted on January 25, 2008 3:50 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Zac:
Apology accepted (though not necessary)...and if ND enjoys an unfair advantage attributable to the Catholic Church, then I guess I'd owe you an apology--though it doesn't appear we'll find out, since you're apparently electing not to elaborate--in the interst of peace.
Again, I maintain the Vat does not, in any way, shape or form, subsidize Notre Dame. I don't see how Notre Dame NOT being subsidized by the Catholic Church translates into an unfair advantage over say, state schools (such as my beloved UF), who ARE subsidized by state entities and their tax dollars--or Ivy league schools with much larger endewments.
Notre Dame is an anamoly, plain & simple.
It is a small Catholic school in the middle of nowhere, that has enjoyed an inordinate amount of success in CFB. IMO, Knute Rockne gets most of the credit for that success. ND was nothing of note, before he got there. The crap he pulled off was amazing, and served as foundation to what followed. That is, he instilled the infrastructure that his successors simply had to navigate. (Many of his mentees even enjoyed great success at other colleges simply modeling his system--such as Charles Bachman, at UF (1928 Gators were 1 game away from being NC)).
Nothing to do with Rome.
Final note: Knute Rockne, George Gipp, and a boat load of other famous FB Domers were protestant (or simply not Catholic), so even having a choke hold on Catholic FB talent, is hardly an "unfair advantage." (Remember famous Cats v. Cons game?Miami had more Cats than ND).
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!
PS--I enjoy the discourse; please don't think you offended/upset anyone.
posted on January 25, 2008 3:56 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
T-Gator: You'd think that with endowments like that, that students at Harvard and Yale wouldn't have to pay anything for tuition. But, the schools use the money to grow the endowment rather than subsidize the over-priced education. In one year, Harvard's endowment made $5B in investment income. $5 Billion! That wasn't add'l monies given to the school, it's what they made in interest!
Of course, the Ivies aren't alone. Nearly every school with a large endowment doesn't use it effectively to offset rising tuition costs. That should make one leary about giving money to their alma mater...
OU-Ron
posted on January 25, 2008 4:32 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
I have my off day's like anyone else, I'm just glad my parents moved from Houston to Oklahoma when I was 5 years old.
Just to think that I might have been clad in dull orange and have a life that suked, makes me shiver to think about it..LOL
Tomcat said:
posted on January 25, 2008 5:24 PM — 70.243.166.232 — link — abuse?
#49 I actually have run Euclid end dumps R-22 and used to run Scrapers, Dozers, frontend loaders. Helped build Flood control dams in the hill country.Ended up on the Rock drills and shooting Explosives.I did that kind of work for several years.Did foundation work on a couple of High rises in downtown Austin,a railroad and waterline in San Antonio and a storm Drain in Ft Worth. That some nasty dusty work, early eighties
Lennie Collins
posted on January 25, 2008 5:30 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Bevo Boy Post #39...that's why you are you and me is me. In my opinion Oklahoma and Texas is going to be a "role play" game! Oklahoma is gone be the LAPD and Texas is gone be Rodney King! Oklahoma have always had a "tough" time winning a Kyle Field and lately, Boone Pickens Stadium! Boone Pickens Stadium will be expanded by then with a new "real" grass field and MAYBE a new attitude from the football program!
posted on January 25, 2008 5:39 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
I want a bulldozer! Ever since I can't use my mad money to buy any more of the FEMA travel trailers from the GSA auctions, I'm thinking about something crazy like that. I'd buy one if I thought I could make money on it. Might behoove me to learn to drive the sob first...
Maybe I'll hit you up for a quick valuation, Ron. Actually, I just noticed a heavy equipment auction that's new on the south side of the city. There's only one way to learn the market--buy something!
Lennie: By that, do you mean that Texas will receive a multi-million dollar settlement if they're beaten sensless by the Sooners??
OU-Ron
posted on January 25, 2008 6:15 PM — 68.12.216.68 — link — abuse? said:
WEA,buying one at auction could prove costly, probably not a good way to start out, but tell me what age and size you're looking for and I can fix you up.
That auction in Atlanta is probably Ritchie Bros auctions,they have one there 4 times a year.
The last time I was at that auction, a tornado came thru about midnight the night before the auction, I remember it well...
posted on January 25, 2008 6:54 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
That's the auction, Ron. Didn't quite see where it was located or realize that it was seasonal..
No, I know better to go to a sale like that with no knowledge. That's an easy way to get hurt. I'm not serious about one. The only way I'd ever consider one would be if it was out of place at a car auction. Every now and then at some smaller sales you find a bank running some assorted stuff like that. You just have to listen to what they're bringing and have a gut instinct if it's worth it or not. I've bought some miscellaneous things over the years. It's fun.
OU-Ron
posted on January 25, 2008 7:07 PM — 68.12.216.68 — link — abuse? said:
WEA, you can pick up some good buys at those small auctions, I like to find those thats hard to get to and out of the way places.
Thats why I go to Philadelphia Miss 4 times a year, it's not real easy to get to and I pick up usually some good buy's.
Zac said:
posted on January 26, 2008 11:22 AM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron, sometimes you get lucky. A couple of years back a friend of mine who lives in Fall River, MA was looking for a Ford Super Cab w/Diesel. Every time he got a bead on one, just before finalizing the deal it seemed the seller would start playing games. Finally, he decided to try his luck on e-Bay. He wound up buying a Ford Club Cab with Turbo Diesel (21 mpg) from a guy...R U ready for this? About 30 miles south of OK City. He flew into OK City from Boston, met with the guy, finalized the paperwork, and drove it from there to my place to show it off before driving the rest of the 1400 plus miles to get home.
For at least a year after buying that truck, while looking for other vehicles, every time a dealer looked over the truck they'd offer him no less than $13,500 toward anything on the lot. By the time he'd gotten finished with plane fair and MA paper work he was into the truck for about $9,500. To this day I still laugh when I think about driving around town in that huge pick-up with those big knobby tires...
OU-Ron
posted on January 26, 2008 1:00 PM — 68.12.216.68 — link — abuse? said:
Zac, I never have really figured out the thing about the knobby tires, we get a lot of ice around here and very little snow.
When you get ice on the ground, it don't matter if your tires have knob's or regular tread, you're not going anywhere.
I guess people think they just look good, everybody's got'em...
Zac said:
posted on January 26, 2008 3:37 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
That's like SUV's with 4WD. Too many people think because you're in one you can drive any where under any conditions. MA & NY get a lot of snow. The vehicles you see on the side of the road stuck during the worst storms are almost 5:1 SUV's.
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c-dogg said:
posted on January 23, 2008 11:46 AM — 12.33.203.234 — link — abuse?Why am I not surprised that Notre Dame still avoids scheduling the BIG 3 schools in the state.