October 6, 2005
OU bomber had bigger plans, ties to Norman mosque
10/4/2005
While the father of a man who committed suicide outside the Oklahoma football game says that his son wasn't politically motivated, more reports are coming out that and it seems there was more to Joel Henry Hinrichs III than meets the eye.
Oklahoma News 9 is reporting that Hinrichs began attending the same Norman mosque once attended by convicted 9-11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui.
After the bombing, police checked the apartment Hinrichs shared with a Pakistani student who works in the Oklahoma athletic department. Officials found a very large cache of explosive material and also reportedly found "jihad literature" as well.
The FBI, Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents and Norman police’s bomb squad were removing the material Sunday evening.Police were overheard telling residents it would take “several trips and could take up to 24 hours” to remove it all.
Four buildings at Parkview Apartments, including the building where Hinrichs lived, were cordoned off with police tape.
Something about this doesn't seem to add up. Like others, I'm not sure we're hearing the full story on the OU bombing.
For example, why would a suicide bomber who reportedly didn't want to hurt anyone else, have such a large cache of explosives that police had to clear four buildings? Why did he try to buy ammonium nitrate in bulk days before the bombing? Better yet, why build a bomb to kill yourself? Why not just slash your wrists? Why do it in such a public place? Why is the Joint Terrorism Task Force the lead agency on the case? Why is OU increasing security measures if this was a single guy committing suicide?
I don't mean to come off as an alarmist, but it appears that this is adding to up to more than just one engineering student who wanted to commit suicide.
UPDATE: Police held the Pakastani roommate and three other Muslim men immediately after the bombing:
NORMAN, Okla. (AP) -- The Pakistani roommate of a man authorities say died when he detonated an explosive device outside a crowded football stadium was led in handcuffs from a party shortly after Saturday's explosion, the head of an Islamic student group said.Fazal M. Cheema, a finance major, shared a university-owned apartment with Joel Hinrichs III, 21, who died Saturday when a device attached to his body exploded as he sat on a bench outside George Lynn Cross Hall.
Cheema and three other Muslim students were led in handcuffs from a party by police after the blast, Ashraf Hussein, president of the Muslim Student Association, said Tuesday. They later were released.
Certainly don't remember hearing that in the initial reporting on this case.
UPDATE: The material used in the bomb was TATP, known in Islamic terror circles as the "Mother of Satan". TATP is the same explosive used by the London bombers, shoe-bomber Richard Reid, and countless others. It's very, very, very volatile, which could lend credibility to theories that this bomb went off early.
UPDATE:
10/6/2005 Bomb was loaded with shrapnel?
a tree near where Hinrichs' bomb detonated displays a number of small round holes and some areas of a metallic substance. The holes and substance are only on the side facing the bench on which Hinrichs was seated when the bomb detonated. The holes appear to be about the size of the head of 16 penny nail.
Off-duty officer witnessed & reported Hinrichs inquire about ammonium nitrate.
Comments:
Gene Larew said:
posted on October 5, 2005 10:59 AM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
Allow me to educate you boys. Thats the second bomb I've heard and felt that was intended to kill people. The first one got a 168 and this one went off before it got more.
When you hear it and you feel it, it ceases to be a subject for jokes. It becomes pretty damn serious.
Take down the side of a stadium and your talking a death toll that makes 911 pale in comparison.
jessi said:
posted on October 5, 2005 11:07 AM — 84.254.188.2 — link — abuse?
oh it seems now that 911 has been over for awhile that americans feel secure in there surroundings again, and then they bitch about the involvement in iraq. well this is why we are involved in iraq to try and stop lunatics like JOEL HENRY HINRICHS III from creating havoc. laugh about it when it hits your doorstep, then i bet you will be begging for the military's help instead of cursing it.
gaffbag said:
posted on October 5, 2005 1:28 PM — 141.156.134.172 — link — abuse?
Jessi - There wasn't any terrorism in Iraq before we invaded, now it is everywhere. Al-Qaeda never operated out of Iraq until we invaded, now they have operatives spread across that nation. If you're going to attempt to drag politics into a conversation such as this at least make a coherent point.
zippy said:
posted on October 5, 2005 1:34 PM — 172.134.253.16 — link — abuse?
Nice try George Bush-- I mean Jessi. Gaffbag hit it on the head. The people in the middle east have agrude against anybody non-muslim dating back to the crusades. Leave those people alone and they won't be terrorists. You let 20 assholes dictate foreign policy for a whole region of the world.
sean said:
posted on October 5, 2005 2:22 PM — 209.82.168.215 — link — abuse?
Jeez you college kids are so stupid. You think you understand the world and your still livin off Mom & Dad. Grow up, get a job, join the real world, and then you'll never trust a Democrat or the mainstream media.
As to your quote, "There never was any terrorism in Iraq until we invaded," Son, you're just stupid. The Dictator that controlled the nation was a frickin terrorist writ large. How many of his own people did he kill? Jessi was right.gaffbag said:
posted on October 5, 2005 3:06 PM — 141.156.134.172 — link — abuse?
Saddam was a despot (A person who wields power oppressively; a tyrant) not a terrorist. There are tyrants who rule governments all over the world and unless they have resources that relate to our national interests we do not intervene, in fact often we support them (see Saddam back in the early 80s).
What Jessi is referring to are terrorists - in particular the ones who would attack Americans. That is what we see in Iraq today, and we are seeing more and more produced in that country every day. They never existed in Iraq before our invasion, only now - or to put it in terms of Jessi's argument: there were no Joel Henry Hinrichs III's in Iraq threatening the United States before the invasion - today they are everywhere, and our fellow countrymen overseas are the ones absorbing the damage.
jessi said:
posted on October 5, 2005 3:22 PM — 84.254.188.2 — link — abuse?
gaffbag i bet you buy every single word the press tells you. you wanna speak for american soldiers try being one. im one right now in iraq, no i come in here to try and join the real world. but to hear people back home saying what we are doing is pointless, and we are dieing for nothing. try looking into an iraqi childs eyes when you give them something as meanless as a pen and notebook paper. seeing the joy in there eyes makes it worth it. the reason you are seeing more and more outburst is becuase we've disrupted there little hate groups and there pissed off about it. if we arent here the good people will suffer like they did before we came. so go ahead turn your head and be selfish and dont see the good we do here. thats the easy thing to do right. not only are we taking these groups out limb by limb, we are making a difference in childrens lives so they wont have to live they way there ancestors did. the reason nobody sees the good we do is becuase that doesnt sell as good as "THREE SOLDIERS DIED TODAY OUTSIDE A MOSQUE". thats people see and feed on. so make fun , but like i said it wont be so funny when its on your front porch, trust me its been on mine since december.
posted on October 5, 2005 3:43 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
There is no question that Saddam sanctioned and supported terrorist actions, especially in the West Bank and Gaza. Saddam paid $25,000 USD to every family of a suicide bomber who died attacking Israel. (Interesting: If the bomb went off before it got to it's Israeli target, Saddam paid nothing, btw.)
That said, this is not Iraq or Saddam. It's Norman, Oklahoma.
And there is more to this story than we're being told. A man straps a bomb to himself that can be felt inside the stadium and is big enough to be felt four blocks away??
posted on October 5, 2005 3:56 PM — link — abuse?
UPDATE: Police held the Pakastani roommate and three other Muslim men immediately after the bombing:
NORMAN, Okla. (AP) -- The Pakistani roommate of a man authorities say died when he detonated an explosive device outside a crowded football stadium was led in handcuffs from a party shortly after Saturday's explosion, the head of an Islamic student group said.
Fazal M. Cheema, a finance major, shared a university-owned apartment with Joel Hinrichs III, 21, who died Saturday when a device attached to his body exploded as he sat on a bench outside George Lynn Cross Hall.
Cheema and three other Muslim students were led in handcuffs from a party by police after the blast, Ashraf Hussein, president of the Muslim Student Association, said Tuesday. They later were released.
Certainly don't remember hearing that in the initial reporting on this case.
gaffbag said:
posted on October 5, 2005 4:29 PM — 141.156.134.172 — link — abuse?
First of all Jessi, I haven't "made fun" of anything. Americans dying is not funny, Iraqis dying is not funny. None of this mess is.
Saddam supported terrorism in Israel - that is true. Of course Lebanon has been supporting terrorists groups that attack Israel for a much longer time, and we have not invaded them. Saudi Arabia has provided crucial financial support to Hamas and the Taliban, but they are one of our strongest allies in the region. Oh, and one additional note: 1 of the 9/11 hijackers was from Lebanon, 14 were from Saudi Arabia...the number from Iraq: 0, in fact as far as I know no Iraqi had ever committed an act of terror against the United States prior to the invasion.
I have a number of friends in the military, and each of them, to a man, who has come back does not think we should be over there. So to say that I hold this opinion because I am not in the military (an assumption you appear to have made) is ridiculous. But the larger point here is that we are fighting a "War on Terrorism", and specifically this terrorism is in the form of radical muslim extremism. Iraq was one of the most moderate nations (theologically) in the Middle East before we invaded. No longer.
By the way, I don't think its selfish to say that we should not have initiated violence against another nation. And you look like a fool when you blame my sentiments on "Democrats" and the "media"...look up Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, or the CIA report on how the war on Iraq has increased terrorism and made us less safe, or retired General William Odom who called this the biggest strategic mistake in our nation's history. As much as you might like to think it's just a bunch of loony liberals who think this war does not help protect us from terrorism - it's actually people across the entire political spectrum...right down to the very people responsible for our safety, the military and the CIA.
brownsrodeo88 said:
posted on October 5, 2005 4:43 PM — 205.188.116.199 — link — abuse?
This story has gotten a terribly small amount of coverage in the press, which is good IMO. We need to quit devoting our attention to attempted terrorist attacks and basically ignore them like the Isrealis did. Bomb blows up bus? Clean the place up, get it operational within the next 3 hours...
Do that and the whole idea of terrorist actions is defeated.
And BTW Gaffbaf check out the Miriam Webster Dictionary definition of a terrorist:
terrorist
adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities
sounds like sadam to me. It should to you as well if you know ANYTHING about him.
posted on October 5, 2005 4:48 PM — 156.56.81.231 — link — abuse?
...and you can see how well ignoring the terrorist attacks has done for Israel... I mean, those attacks stopped just as soon as they started ignoring them, right?
Oh wait, they didn't?
Huh. Fancy that.
So maybe we ought to get the info out to the people so that, in a very democratic way, we can gauge just how to deal with this. Democracy (even the representative version) is hindered without the free-flow of infornation.
Gene Larew said:
posted on October 5, 2005 5:43 PM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
OU Prez David Boren no longer calling this a suicide, from the Norman Transcript ............
While saying it appears no one else is connected to the bombing, Boren made a shift in describing Hinrich’s death by saying, “I do not say suicide, I say it’s an individual death that we’re dealing with. That’s all we really know.”
directorblue said:
posted on October 5, 2005 7:43 PM — 24.29.24.163 — link — abuse?
bag, your premise is so demonstrably wrong it's almost laughable:
"fighting jihadi terrorism... causes jihadi terrorism"
imagine, on december 8, 1941:
"fighting the japanese empire, will only cause it to grow faster."
or:
"fighting nazism, will only make is worse."
or:
"fighting communism only strengthens it."
history has not been kind to the concepts promulgated by the left.
Maybe you could explain this statement*, related to the Bali bombings: "If the West wants peace, they’ll have to accept to be governed by Islam". Funny, I didn't realize the government of Bali was in Iraq. Oops, that's right. They're not.
STILL waiting for the Left to suggest some long-term solutions to the war with Islamofascism.
And, by the way, if you have so many friends over in iraq, pray tell us how many soldiers you are supporting via soldiers' angels?
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*http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=2&subID=46
- entitled "A chilling message for the infidels"
VOLPIMP said:
posted on October 5, 2005 10:13 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
Don't count out our own homegrown terrorists guys, how far is Oklahoma City from Norman? Don't remember which one of you guys referred to it, but we probably haven't been told 1/3 of what they really know. It's real easy to throw in some Jihad literature to the press until they get to the bottom of it, maybe not, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't another homegrown extremist.
posted on October 5, 2005 10:23 PM — link — abuse?
Volpimp,
Then again their are unexplored links between the original Oklahoma bombers and Middle Eastern terrorists and allegations of a cover-up when it came to John Doe #2 from that investigation.This latest bomber's name is known and yes he's an American citizen but more of the John Walker Lindh variety than the McVeigh variety.
Dan Isaacs said:
posted on October 5, 2005 10:45 PM — 216.240.30.14 — link — abuse?
How likely is it that extremist right-wing groups in the US are working with islamic terrorists? I've read a great deal of what both groups publish, and I don't really understand how their goals are aligned.
I think it's worth noting that these Pakistani students were questioned and released. If you've been paying attention to the rights granted law enforcement agencies wrt to terrorism suspects, there are very few circumstances under which these suspects would be released so quickly if they were in fact suspects.
And please, don't bother debating the merits of the war in Iraq. There is too much cognitive dissonance on the Right to be overcome with Reason. Both sides have been articulated, and if any mids were gpoing to be changed, they would have by now.
George Henson said:
posted on October 5, 2005 10:47 PM — 68.93.121.30 — link — abuse?
Anyone interested can read my letter to the OU Daily. I am an OU graduate (and Oklahoma native), and I do not trust Boren as far as I can throw him. Considering his whole life is a lie, why would anyone trust him to tell the truth about this?
http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/05/43433ca1a24f0?in_archive=1
gaffbag said:
posted on October 5, 2005 11:06 PM — 71.241.237.164 — link — abuse?
DirectorBlue - just so you know, you probably shouldn't use quotes unless you are actually quoting something. So saying my premise is:
"fighting jihadi terrorism... causes jihadi terrorism"when I neither stated that nor anything of the sort makes no point other than your unwillingness to tackle my argument head-on.
My argument is quite the opposite - Iraq was never the source of Jihadi terrorism. In other words we attacked the wrong target and made the problem worse. Oh, and it cost us over $200 billion, our credibility, and important strategic allies across the globe.
Neville said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:05 AM — 72.254.167.205 — link — abuse?
This is seriously scary stuff to me, not an esoteric discussion of politics.
Like 85,000 others, I was there with my 2 young children last Saturday. While my gut reaction is to not change my life because of a suicide bomber, I'll have to seriously consider if it is responsible for me and my family to go to the remaining home games this year.
MrBlifil said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:07 AM — 69.22.252.210 — link — abuse?
This seems to suggest a potentially disturbing trend. We know in the London bombings, non-Arab/Asians were somehow attracted to participate in the plot. Here we have a susceptible, borderline autistic individual (see the report on his extreme social awkwardness), who strikes me as the perfect target for extremist recruiters.
I would say it's beginning to look like OU dodged a bullet. The only thing to be thankful for was that the incident wasn't part of a larger coordinated effort.
Very disturbing, no matter how one slices it.
gumshoe said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:38 AM — 165.121.145.188 — link — abuse?
"in fact as far as I know no Iraqi had ever committed an act of terror against the United States prior to the invasion."
-gaffbag
gaffbag needs to read up on the 1993 WTC attcks.Laurie Myrolie and Andrew McCarthy would be good places for him/her/it to start.
chefwes said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:42 AM — 68.60.14.211 — link — abuse?
gaffbag ( a very appropriate name, by the way)
uses liberal phraseology and the liberal mindspeak to a (seeming) advantage in his(her?) arguments.
However, when the facts are known and come to light, his(her?) name should be changed to GASBAG.
Stating that "terrorists weren't in Iraq" until we invaded it is, as usual, a blatant lie, as has been pointed out by others. There WERE terrorist camps in Iraq, also, there is ample evidence that Saddam not only provided support, via the 25K to terrorists who succesfully committed suicide bombings in Israel, he ALSO let Al ZARQAWI recuperate from an injury, sustained in Afghanistan, he also let the "terrorist" involved in the Achille Lauro hijacking live in Iraq, not only let him LIVE there, but supplied him with Iraqi government provided health care PLUS a pension, and many other terrorists were living there, on government handouts. Not to mention the MINOR fact that Saddam attempted to have a sitting US President assassinated in Kuwait (remember GHW Bush?) (no attacks against the US?).
Plus the many other terrorist connections Saddam covered and took care of. Perhaps Gasbag would have preferred Saddam to "come out" of UN sanctions and gained the Materials necessary to manufacture a nuclear bomb to be used against the US, or US interests? (Yes, recalling the Wilson "Report" which has been proven to be yet another Liberal lie!)
As for our "credibility acrodd the globe... was it not just LAST WEEK, that France arrested several people, accusing them of "terrorist" attacks planning, lets see.. France has HOW many troops involved in Iraq? Oh yeah that would be ZERO, because they were against it, yet the Terrorists were planning to attack it? Yeah that makes me feel a whole helluva lot safer in trusting THEIR foresight!
Get a CLUE GASBAG, your arguments are full of holes, are illogical, are based on LIES.
YOu have no facts to base your assumptions on, simply the lies of the Liberal MSM.
Therefore, you may NOT pass GO, you may NOT collect $200... asswipeChimpy McCokespoon said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:42 AM — 24.215.147.146 — link — abuse?
Everyone knows that Saddam sponsored the 9/11 attacks.
The WMD's will be found any day.
Liberals are evil.
Thank god for George Bush, Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Tom Delay, Bill Frist, that Safarian guy from the US procurement office, Judy Miller, Karl Rove, Robert Novak, Rush Limbaugh, AIPAC and all the rest who support our country and its laws and would never do anything to subvert any of them!
Right?Tread said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:51 AM — 66.146.212.53 — link — abuse?
directorblue said: STILL waiting for the Left to suggest some long-term solutions to the war with Islamofascism.
I'm more worried about the Christofascists here at home, i.e., James Dobson, Pat Robertson, and their ilk. You think Islamofascism is scary, just wait to the fundies here take away your access to Internet porn.
This story is pretty scary. We should be fighting terrorism on our own shores, instead of overseas. It seems we have a bunch of terrorists who snuck into our borders while we were "fighting them there so we wouldn't have to fight them here". Instead of spending $300 billion dollars on a country that will likely fall to civil war within two years, we should have spent that money strengthening our borders, ports and such.
This is a good diagram of what all the money spent on Iraq could have been spent on here.
Tin Foil Hattie said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:55 AM — 24.5.151.71 — link — abuse?
It's the democommies! And their aborted black babies with welfare queens that I'm not sure whether I like. Saddam is a tool of the Russians and the North Koreans and the papists are flying in UFOs from centaurii prime. When you find the links to the John Bircher's and realize that Osama is the Lindbergh baby, you will know that it all leads back to the Nazis and Prescott Bush! And boy O boy, than you will Knoooo OKlahomo where the wind comes swishing cross the plains
In a sequined skirt and a pink crepe shirt and some lovely leather cuffs and metal chains...chefwes said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:01 AM — 68.60.14.211 — link — abuse?
You liberals are so much fun. It would actually be FUNNY if it werent for the fact that your "views" are so widespread. Talking about the "Christofascists" here at home, yes, there are a FEW who have radical views, shived aside by those who think, who actually have the capability of having thoughts, independent of the pre-programmed sound bites which are so prevalent in the Liberal mind set.
So, you're against Christians.... I suppose you espose the Liberal views? The very same liberalistic views which will get you the "Nick Berg" treatment, if ever the Islamofascists have their way in the US and every other country in the world?
Have you not read the biews of the majority of Muslims ( the so called Majority, because the "moderates Muslims" are staying silent on there points"?
What part of, "If the west wants to stop the attacks, they need to accept Islamic rule? (stated by an islamofascist in a recent interview, or Bin Ladens infamous "Declaration of War") do you not understand, if THEY win, you will either be DEAD, or in slavery!
Maybe YOU can accept that, but the MAJORITY of us BELIEVE in OUR freedoms!Hellary Klintoon said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:03 AM — 24.5.151.71 — link — abuse?
chefwes,
An appropriate name for a fry cook at Denny's. Hear me!
I am Hillary, Hear me roar!
Fear my Clintoris™! I will rule the world in 2008!
Gaffbag,
This is your last warning!
Get on the mother ship or let us beam you up now!
We will be dusting off and nuking the state from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!!
Name That Democommie™! said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:08 AM — 24.5.151.71 — link — abuse?
Care to play a game?
It's called Name That Democommie™!
For $500 and a Date with Ann Coulter to visit Joe McCarthy's grave and have sex with him....
Name That Democommie™!
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chefwes said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:10 AM — 68.60.14.211 — link — abuse?
Hellary, (a very appropriate name, if I have ever seen one!)
So, a degree worth over 120K, in YOUR opinion assumes that one is a "fry cook at Denny's". Such a blue blood you are, one would assume from your comments that you must be related to royalty, possibly from the Kennedy line, since we ALL know that the Clinton's come from a LONG line of people who would worship at the feet of a "fry cook from Denny's".
I would MUCH rather be a "Fry cook from Denny's" than related to a drunk driving, homicide comitting Senator from Mass. who was "too drunk to save the life of an innocent passenger, when I drove off of a bridge". From the same line who's family has been charged with rape and innumberable other sex related crimes, not to mention MURDER!
Yes, that is definitely a line that I, personally, would wish to be associated with! ( SARCASM there!)Name That Democommie™! said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:13 AM — 24.5.151.71 — link — abuse?
Too hard? Here's an easier one....
For $200 and a Date with Ann Coulter to visit Joe McCarthy's grave and have sex with him....
(That's Ann, not Tail Gunner Joe, he's dead. Unless you are into that kind of thing... and be forwarned. They didn't call him Tail Gunner for nothing...
Name That Democommie™!
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Name That Democommie™! said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:19 AM — 24.5.151.71 — link — abuse?
OK, a real easy one, because even a fry cook with a $120.00 degree from Hamburger University should be able to google this one...
For $100 and a Date Joe McCarthy's corpse...
Name That Democommie™!
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chefwes said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:20 AM — 68.60.14.211 — link — abuse?
at least, after many years of working in the RAEL world,
I was able to see and understand that liberal democraps are full of shit and are willing to do anything and everything in order to regain power, even if it entails selling the US out, to committing treason against our country (Kerry, after his 3 hour tour in Vietnam), even if it means committing murder, in order to protect the "family" name ( Kennedy during Chappaquiddick)chefwes said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:26 AM — 68.60.14.211 — link — abuse?
Go ahead, make your illogical point, go ahead, make a fool of yourself by bringing up some "irrefutable" quote from the past, no matter how inane it may be.
Or, on the other hand, you may actually contribute somehting of great importance to the whole point of the blog. In case you may have forgotten, the point of this discussion is the islamofascist intent on bringing death to over 80K people on the University of Oklahoma campus, during the OU-KSTATE football game this past Saturday (or maybe the potential deaths of 80K people do not mean anything to you?)chefwes said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:33 AM — 68.60.14.211 — link — abuse?
Friggin dumbasses, as usual, there is nothing of value in the "arguments" from the other side.
They offer no resolutions to the problems at hand, they offer no ideas, they offer nothing except for the twisting and turning of "facts" to support their "talking points" supplied by their leadres. They offer no logic, they offer nothing, except dissension and the tearing down of the only country in the world which allows their illogicalities to be presented in the open.
Maybe one day you will have your wish, maybe one day the US will be run by the liberals, very shortly thereafter to be overrun by the islamofascists who will gladly give you the "Nick Berg" treatment.
I, for one would LOVE to see that day, when you are whining like the little bitches you are, crying at their feet " but, but i supported you, I am one of the ones who gave you the freedoms to do what you are doing, you can not cut my head off, i am your FRIEND!"dahvid said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:57 AM — 64.32.153.130 — link — abuse?
gaffbag:
war was declared on the USA by saddam, and thousands died on9/11 in an act of war.
the plan of iraq is just the beginning, if you recall bush's five-point plan. saudi arabia funds it all, few are immune to the obscene oil money
http://www.dafka.org/NewsGen.asp?S=4&PageID=311
http://www.australianreview.net/digest/2005/09/ryan.html
Recall that soon after saddam was pulled from his rat hole, lybia unex[ectedly admitted to having nuclear weapons and a hidden network of nuclear proliferation to muslim nations was uncovered and stopped, except there is still iran and maybe north korea. now, even a college boy like you fears suicide bomber's with nuclear weapons, no? There are webpages by iraqis very grateful to America for not leaving them to die like last time, and they probably don't appreciate your compassion for their hated dictatorship.you have an ethical point about invading another nation, do you believe that the USA should have not entered WWII and attacked germany? your greatest error is assuming that if America did nothing after 9/11 the terror attacks would stop. 9/11 happened before the iraq invasion and the islamic expansionists have declared war, they aren't goint to stop just because you do nothing...but you'd never understand. i know your kind...you are stubborn to the bitter end. if it comes down to us and them...which way will you choose?
ps, i know my grammar is bad, i like it that way, so save your corrections for your jhiadist school
dahvid said:
posted on October 6, 2005 2:09 AM — 64.32.153.130 — link — abuse?
gaffbag
just wanted to add that you are the cruelist of all, sitting there all nice and comfy while innnocent people (children, women, esp) are being blown-up and brutalized, from Israel to India to Africa to Indonesia, haven't you been paying attention to the butchery? How callouse of you to turn a blind eye to such suffering, how stupid not to understand that doing nothing will not stop them from coming after you, me, all of us.
Since the iraq invasion nuclear arms rings have been busted and the terror has decreased significantly in Israel, Kashmir, and elsewhere. The only reason terror continues is due to support and validation from well meaning but brainwashed individuals like you.
The Oracle said:
posted on October 6, 2005 2:26 AM — 66.68.78.18 — link — abuse?
Chefwes: "...are willing to do anything and everything in order to regain power, even if it entails selling the US out, to committing treason against our country."
Is this a dictionary definition of the neo-Communists, neo-fascists in the Bush administration that you so adore? And where do you get all your news...from the neo-Communist, neo-fascist FAUX news?
And as far as Christian, you wouldn't know a Christian even if you crucified one. Oh, that's right...Jesus Christ was a liberal Jew who was so despised by the orthodox, by-the-book, conservative Jews running the temple that they had him nailed to a cross. But, Chefwes, where's the proof that orthodox, conservative types are always out to kill the liberal, just as Jesus, the liberal, was killed, silenced, censored.
Those who had Jesus killed accused him of "blasphemy and heresy" and of "doing the work of the devil." Sound familiar, Chefwes? Pat Robertson uses those words to attack "liberals." James Dobson. Jerry Falwell. Family Research Council. All the right-wing religious nutjobs use these terms as part of their "kill the liberal" mantra. Osama bin Laden uses these words. The religious nutjobs in Iraq who want to turn Iraq into an orthodox religious hell. The ayatollah Khomeini of Iran used these words in declaring war on all western democracies in 1979.
So, the big question, Chefwes, is why you (who thinks of yourself as being intelligent) would side with all those out to destroy our liberal democracy? Why would you side with all those who have the same murderous mindset as the killers of Jesus Christ, the liberal, anti-establishment, pro-choice, pro-freedom Jew?
Oh, BTW, I served in the U.S. Air Force. I'm a liberal Christian. It makes me want to weep when seeing Christ being crucified, in one way or another, by all the right-wing fanatics with their runaway superiority complexes...like yours.
Bob said:
posted on October 6, 2005 3:04 AM — 69.149.249.204 — link — abuse?
It's ironic how both conservatives and liberals can criticize each other for all the same things. The media is liberal, no it's conservative. Liberals will destroy the country no, Conservatives are doing it right now. Talking points are supplied for both sides. So on, and so on.....
It has not yet been proved that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11. Even Colin Powell has stated that there is no evidence linking the two.
"But I have seen nothing that makes a direct connection between Saddam Hussein and that awful regime, and what happened on 9/11."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/12/kerry.powell.iraq/Nuclear bombs are not hard to make. You don't need super weapons labs to put one together, any physics grad student has the knowledge. The hard part is the delivery system. I.C.B.M. Now you can always just throw one on a boat and sail on over or assemble the parts here in the states. Fighting in Iraq has no bearing on that. You can even go dig up your very own yellow cake here in the U.S.
Are we doing some good in Iraq? Yes, we got rid of an awful dictator, but if one looks at history there has been nothing but awful dictators in that region for thousands of years. What makes you so sure we can change that now? Iraq has become a turkey shoot for anyone that hates America. You can't win that war unless you have the adequate number of troops and give the commanders in the field the authority to do what needs to be done. Not unlike Vietnam we have people in Washington thinking they know more than the men on the battlefield.
On the subject of a terrorist using a nuclear bomb in the U.S. I would venture to say that the chances are slim to none. Why? If any Middle Eastern Terrorist were to use one inside the U.S. it would give us a free pass to turn the entire middle east into glass. The extremist who actually perform the deeds may be stupid, but the individuals behind the scenes are not. They know just how far they can go before doing something that would cause total annihilation for them and their groups.
We have wasted 100's of billions of dollars fighting in Iraq and what has it got us? We still have a individual that could have caused a event that would make the 9-11 death toll look insignificant. Take 84,000 people in a stadium collapse half of it and you would have a big mess on your hands. Has fighting the terrorist in Iraq prevented that? Or how about the Bali bombings?
What might could have helped prevent it would have been spending those hundreds of billions of dollars on beefing up our infrastructure. This hurricane season has shown how weak and unprepared our infrastructure truly is. The security at our borders and ports is a joke! Kinda like guarding the front of the hen house with the back door wide open.
This nation is no safer 4 years after 9-11 than it was before. It is probably less so. I have not even gone into the Abu Ghraib prison photos that won't be released. Pictures of rape and murder and torturing of children. Or how the Patriot Act has chipped away at our civil rights.
For those who dare compare whats going on now to the past wars our nation has fought, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea you should be ashamed. That is comparing apples to elephants, not even close.
Everyone thinks they have choices. Republican or Democrat. McDonald's or Burger King, Pepsi or Coke. It is all an illusion. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Get everyone arguing over talking points and those in charge can walk out the front door with all the loot. Not just this administration but every last one of them. The President holds no real power, hell they can changed every four years. Follow the money. Look for the people behind the scenes. War=$$$ and right now the $$$ is not in the oil it's in the reconstruction contracts.
Regan said:
posted on October 6, 2005 3:31 AM — 205.188.116.199 — link — abuse?
Bob:
>>Nuclear bombs are not hard to make. You don't need super weapons labs to put one together, any physics grad student has the knowledge. The hard part is the delivery system. I.C.B.M. Now you can always just throw one on a boat and sail on over or assemble the parts here in the states. Fighting in Iraq has no bearing on that. You can even go dig up your very own yellow cake here in the U.S.Errrrgh, I hate to nitpick, Bob, but the hardest part is the acquisition of the needed materials (uranium, etc.) If they were that easy to make, they would be Fed-Exed into position or brought in via-briefcase on a regular basis. (Although the ICBM acquisition isn't a piece of cake either...)
I also have to disagree with your statements about wasting billions in Iraq. We were attacked on 9/11 without provocation, which means Muslim extremists were gunning for us in the beginning. Toppling the Taliban in Afghanistan wasn't enough to keep them down, because we weren't fighting one country, we were fighting an ideology. An ideology that is rampant in the Middle East (and was there all along as well).The truest maxim of war is: The only way to ensure victory is to make your enemies see that they were wrong to oppose you in the first place.
By bringing Democracy into the heart of the Middle East, that's what we were trying to do, and in that regard we have seen some success with more Democratic movements in Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia.
If we succeed and Iraq exists as a stable democracy, just imagine what would happen...the extremists wouldn't stop overnight, but they would be looked down upon by the people and disdained just as we now disdain the ultra right-wingers that screwed up the 1950's for us.
At least that's the theory. I am, though, a lot more concerned about the mission's success as time goes on, and though I disagree with you, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong...especially about the Oil Barons...
Bob said:
posted on October 6, 2005 4:26 AM — 69.149.249.204 — link — abuse?
Regan:
Nitpicking is not a problem. Yes, I over simplified the creation of a nuclear bomb and processing Uranium. I was too lazy to include this background. I hope we do succeed in bringing democracy too, but when I look back at the history of the region it scares the hell out of me to think what this nation will have to sacrifice to get that to happen if it is even possible. On the other hand Disneyland has a theme park in China now, so I guess anything is possible!
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/12/news/fortune500/hongkongdisney/
What I meant to infer was that it is not that difficult to produce as people would believe. Here is a good explanation of what I'm talking about. It's long but a good read.From:
http://www.midcoast.com/~michael1/webnukeletter.htm
In the early fifties there was a prudent desire to control and even mine all the world’s uranium. On upper levels it was a small part of the reasoning to make many atomic weapons. It was soon quietly realized as undoable. Once uranium was becoming a commodity this led to a vast amounts of discoveries in many places. The types of mining procedures vary. Often it is a by-product of other mining though now and then fairly pure veins are discovered. As with all such discoveries the information is closely held until deals are signed. When thinking of uranium mines the areas that first come to mind are Australia, Canada and South Africa. Truth is it can be mined almost anywhere, Utah, Niger, Nigeria, and Brazil are areas where there are ignored discoveries all over. You might even ignore the word ‘mine’ and see that it can be a by-product of, or combined with, anything from irrigation to road construction. The processing procedures are not at all rocket science either and facilities can also be in conjunction with, or disguised as, about anything. One cannot even know of every ‘aspirin’ factory, no less bomb them all. Ninety nine percent of the time the basic tool used in obtaining the substance is the common pneumatic jackhammer.
In such an operation what form would the uranium be placed in?
Most probably the best transportation form would not be yellow cake but pure pellets sealed in lead for later combining. These can be hidden in anything from liquid containers, the casings then in Styrofoam so they don’t make noise banging around, to the insides of Buddha or Quan Yin figurines delivered mistakenly to Wiccan Supplies, Show River Centre, St. Paul. How lucky they were that the prayerful Amed kept coming in and asking for such. He bought them all. All this far more simple than a Mathius Rust going under the real radar, quite doable also. Once the material is sent near the location to be bombed, discounting at least one person becoming very ill, the assembly itself is a snap. Any near rented location for assembly would do. Unlike other bombs no further delivery problems, rental vans and such, would be needed. How far from Munson Avenue need you be? Imperial powers have continually underestimated the enemy. The British considered the American rebels inept, they didn’t even have cannon. They were sorely surprised when Washington’s General Henry Knox made the unusual move of dragging 80 cannon all the way through the snow from Upstate New York with 200 oxen to blast them to hell.
9/11 has created a split in the official line regarding the ease of making simple nukes. On one hand the old lie is touted, the line is that nukes are very difficult to make. On the other hand they are talking about ‘suitcase’ nukes. An atomic bomb the size of a suitcase might be technically difficult wherein one in a twenty foot aluminum tube not difficult at all. “The new neighbor, Amed, certainly seems nice. At least someone in Roseville barbecues lamb instead of always chicken and steak. I just don’t understand his sculptures.” One bomb, called the Tube, used on Japan was just that. The right amount of uranium on each end of the tube smashed together with charges. The other was called the Fat Boy. This was big and round, the charges coming in from many directions. The 3-D Fat Boy would be mechanically harder, but sixty degree angles are easy to work with. This could be flattened to charges coming from six directions in the manner of a ‘SNOWFLAKE’.
directorblue said:
posted on October 6, 2005 6:14 AM — 24.29.24.163 — link — abuse?
bag: because Hussein's Iraq was a crossroads of jihadi terror, it was precisely the right target. ever heard of salman pak and the boeing 707 there used to train an unknown number of hijackers? how about abu abbas, abu nidal, ansar al islam. tell you what, if you can handle some of the graphic photos, just visit the pictures here:
http://www.husseinandterror.com/
then come back and tell me iraq wasn't the right target and why.
posted on October 6, 2005 7:06 AM — link — abuse?
On topic, please, y'all. We can debate Iraq another day.
posted on October 6, 2005 7:25 AM — link — abuse?
UPDATE: The material used in the bomb was TATP, known in Islamic terror circles as the "Mother of Satan". TATP is the same explosive used by the London bombers, shoe-bomber Richard Reid, and countless others. It's very, very, very volatile, which could lend credibility to theories that this bomb went off early.
Hephaestion said:
posted on October 6, 2005 8:15 AM — 64.12.116.139 — link — abuse?
I was for the war in Iraq, but Bush's tragically incompetent handling of the war in Iraq has destroyed our security in America. And meanwhile he has done NOTHING to increase our safety at home. Nothing but destroy FEMA so that now we are far LESS safe at home.
Benny Hill said:
posted on October 6, 2005 9:55 AM — 207.148.196.222 — link — abuse?
That's brilliant, Sister. Any high school debate class would bitch slap you for making such a fallacious argument.
"You physician-assisted suicide supporters are pathetic. Why don't you kill yourselves if you are so hot for it?"
Saying that you have to be a part of something before you have a right to comment is not only stupid beyond belief, but is is - dare I say - un-american.
You remind me of the maxim: Better to keep silent and let people think you are stupid than to speak up and remove all doubt.
Gene Larew said:
posted on October 6, 2005 10:00 AM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
Some local speculation that I consider reliable after I've sorted through rumors and media reports.
Bomber attempted to enter the stadium and was turned away when he refused to allow his backpack to be searched.
He then went to an area where charter buses park. A bus driver had a conversation with him while driver smoked cigarette, driver was returning to his bus when the explosion occurred, knocking driver off his feet.
Evidently, bomber was transferring explosive from a backpack to a vest when they exploded. The explosives in backpack failed to ignite and then were subsequenlty detonated by police later that evening ( which accounts for second blast heard nd reported Saturday night ) .
Hinrich visiting the Mosque or any Muslim connections are not established. I've seen reliable reports that conflict as to Hinrich's involvement at the Mosque. Respected Muslim OU professor says no, some media reports say yes.
One thing for sure, there's still more to come out about this and I'm puzzled by the national media ignoring this story.
Gene Larew said:
posted on October 6, 2005 10:02 AM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
Tom Joad ???? That was Daryl Royals uncle. Daryl went with him to California but returned to Oklahoma. Joad stayed because he enjoyed hanging out in bars and kickin Californians asses every chance he got. Tom said they were just a bunch of pussies.
gaffbag said:
posted on October 6, 2005 10:21 AM — 141.156.142.4 — link — abuse?
I think whoever said that nobody here is going to change anybody else's mind on this topic about, oh looks like 30 posts back now, was probably right.
Just for future reference - name-calling and links to budget sites that reference media sources which lack any credibility generally are not the best ways to develop a cogent argument.
But, you know what - you guys win. Everyone who thinks the war might have been a poor strategic decision is a treasous liberal, and George Bush is the best president ever. Oh and I am a huge 'gasbag' - boy was that one clever. Back to football.
5%yak said:
posted on October 6, 2005 10:22 AM — 199.46.199.233 — link — abuse?
Damn thats scary...
As to the off topic political dicussion that ineviatbly has sprung out of this, it bothers me that people say that if you are against the war, you are fro Saddam. Saddam was a horrible despot, and the Iraqi people will be better off when this all boils down (assuming the new gov't is truly democratic). But the ends dont justify the means, and the fact that we were sold this war on false pretenses makes it a mistake. Sure, we arent responsible for creating every terrorist, but I dont doubt that our arrogance in going into Iraq in the way we did inflamed more would be terrorists. I have nothing but respect for our soldiers, but I dont agree with those who sent them to war. If liberating Iraq is such a noble cause(and it is), then why wasnt it our reason for going to Iraq in the first place?
paulwesterdawg said:
posted on October 6, 2005 10:47 AM — 209.168.243.15 — link — abuse?
Suicide bombers that only kill themselves are a Net win for humanity.
D said:
posted on October 6, 2005 11:24 AM — 70.183.214.147 — link — abuse?
Gaffbag says: "I have a number of friends in the military, and each of them, to a man, who has come back does not think we should be over there."
That's truly bizarre, because I have literally dozens of friends in the military, some in Iraq now and some who have come back from there. With only ONE exception, they fully support the mission and have been very proud of what we're doing there. I wonder why the discrepancy? Oh wait, I know: because you're lying.
Joey said:
posted on October 6, 2005 12:53 PM — 159.54.131.7 — link — abuse?
Gee, I wonder why the 1993 World Trade Center bomber, Ramzi Yousef, received sanctuary in Iraq? Or Abu Abbas, formerly the world's most wanted terrorist (the Achille Lauro hijacking), who was captured IN IRAQ not long after the U.S. invasion in 2003?
Saddam may not have had anything to do with 9/11, but he certainly had links -- quite big links -- to Islamic terrorism.
NDenial said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:20 PM — 68.10.109.29 — link — abuse?
Someone up there mentioned alienating our key allies..Those we "alienated", seem to have only been our allies when they needed us. They didn't seem to mind the freeing of a nation and it's people when that nation was their's. Not only did these countries not choose to give back what they were given, but they attempted to sabotage others from doing it. These alienated "allies" have proven their worth one more time. I'm reminded of this, as I'll be visiting the Normandy Beaches next week. History shows that protecting the defenseless from the bully is actually a good thing! Some of those above are obviously those who also watched as the little runt of your class in Junior High was chucked in the dumpster, and chose to look the other way. So what if there women and children..Hope you can sleep at night..Fotunately, there are those who made sure that you and I can..
Scrub said:
posted on October 6, 2005 1:46 PM — 165.251.12.36 — link — abuse?
I agree, all this conservative/liberal crap is stupid and boring. If you want to talk about politics, go do it on another blog. And if you don't like to hear the opinions of college students/graduates, hello, you're reading a college football blog, go to a NASCAR blog or something.
By the way, I think the OU/Texas game should be good.
dahvid said:
posted on October 6, 2005 3:00 PM — 64.32.153.130 — link — abuse?
#51 "The Oracle Says"
it's frightening to see that the USAF has superstitious haters like "oracle says" in the name of christianity more people have died unspeakable deaths. the hatred in the name of christ permeates from the oracle's comments. that is not religion, it is hatred born of ignorance and superstition. jesus was a jew, crucified by romans. it blows the mind that in today's modern world thousands of years later, there is a member of the usaf, spewing such vile hatred in the name of "religion". christians are being purged in palestine by muslims but those who hate in the name of christ are blinded by their self-destructive hatred
dahvid said:
posted on October 6, 2005 3:12 PM — 64.32.153.130 — link — abuse?
to #72 SCRUB
if you want to talk football go to another blog...notice the title of this blog concerns the recent suicide bomb. you think it's boring? you may be in school but you're brain-dead, what will it take to snap you out of your coma, unbelievable apathy. um...let's see...a suicide bomber detonated outside a college game packed with students and there is the possibility that he meant to mass murder, and you are "sick and tired" of talking about it and want to change the subject to football!!! It must be true, that scientific study that says that the higher centers of the cerebral cortex that control reasoning and the higher thought processes do not fully mature until you approach 30 yrs old. Lucky for you there are people who understand the real and present danger. Go back to your footbal game scrubb, just poke your head in the sand and maybe the world will go away.
btw i've earned my degree in part by taking clep tests and scored higher than the average college student.
dahvid said:
posted on October 6, 2005 3:29 PM — 64.32.153.130 — link — abuse?
#74 pimpdaddy
jesus was crucified by the romans, not the jews. the jews were under seige by the romans, suffering the cruelist treatment ever, being exterminated by the romans, thousands were being crucified. your instigation of hatred towards jews according to your superstition and unverified events thousands of years ago, how pathetically ignorant...really akin to islamic fundamentalism...you are inciting hatred towards people in the name of religion which is a replacement theology, christianity the b@stardized form of Judiasm. remember jesus is jewish and he is watching, probably hates your guts for hurting his people. prepare for your judgement day, hater
Scrub said:
posted on October 6, 2005 3:56 PM — 69.248.103.159 — link — abuse?
#75 Dahvid, maybe you should read #56 (that's from the guy who wrote the original article that started this thread???). This is about the bombing and how it relates to Oklahoma football, not about the Iraq war or your personal political idealogy. They are still investigating the bombing and still don't know all the facts for Pete's sake. A lot good your education has done for ya.
Orson Swindle said:
posted on October 6, 2005 4:05 PM — 12.13.183.235 — link — abuse?
And everything above this is why we write a football blog and not a political one.
Bitter Bierce said:
posted on October 6, 2005 5:45 PM — 24.5.151.71 — link — abuse?
"Orson Swindle says:
posted on October 6, 2005 04:05 PM — link
And everything above this is why we write a football blog and not a political one."And a clear indication that Ambrose Bierce was right over 100 years ago, and that almost none of you should be allowed to vote. Idiots like you are what helped to put an idiot like Bush in the White House. You, the "activist judges" on the SCOTUS in 2000, and Deibold and black box voting with no paper trail.
ACADEME, n.
An ancient school where morality and philosophy were taught.ACADEMY, n.
[from ACADEME] A modern school where football is taught.Ambrose Bierce
The Devil's Dictionary
http://www.alcyone.com/max/lit/devils/a.html
One of my favorites that applies to you
PATRIOT, n.
One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.PATRIOTISM, n.
Combustible rubbish read to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name.In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
VOLPIMP said:
posted on October 6, 2005 5:47 PM — 208.0.27.10 — link — abuse?
Well said, Swindle. The Romans did the actual crucifying, but the Jews were behind the betrayal of Christ, all the Romans did was pacify Jewish leaders to keep the peace. And unless we are talking Notre Dame football, how is this relavent?
Tom Joad said:
posted on October 6, 2005 6:00 PM — 24.5.151.71 — link — abuse?
Gene Larew says:
posted on October 6, 2005 10:02 AM — link
Tom Joad ???? That was Daryl Royals uncle. Daryl went with him to California but returned to Oklahoma. Joad stayed because he enjoyed hanging out in bars and kickin Californians asses every chance he got. Tom said they were just a bunch of pussies.Really tough talk from an okie who'd have a pantload in under 30 seconds for a one block walk in any urban ghetto. California's South Central included. You okies seem to think we don't got no guns. How are your drive bys done? With spit balls?
dahvid said:
posted on October 6, 2005 6:59 PM — 64.32.153.130 — link — abuse?
"#75 Dahvid, maybe you should read #56 (that's from the guy who wrote the original article that started this thread???). This is about the bombing and how it relates to Oklahoma football, not about the Iraq war or your personal political idealogy. They are still investigating the bombing and still don't know all the facts for Pete's sake. A lot good your education has done for ya."
Scrubb, note the genesis of iraq this thread, I did not introduce it, but it is obviously related. How do you propose top dicuss the subject without referring to one's personal ideology? If you read the introduction to this blog entitled: "OU bomber had bigger plans, ties to Norman mosque" and the author speculates on terrorism and politics. How do you deduce that intent of this blog is to be limited only football? Please be specific because there was a lively discussion here between many people. For some reason you are compelled to interrupt people from having a discussion relevant to the topic of this blog. While you criticize me for sharing my views, you cannot resist the egotistical jab regarding my education, that is a cheap shot from an immature mind.
You are being dishonest by using the iraq subject as a foil when your true stated goal here is to discontinue any talk of politics and only talk about football...which is not what #56 said. #56 wanted to get back to the topic of suicide bombing, muslims, and politics, and not become engrossed with iraq. Sorry, you are really too easy to defeat in a debate scrub...and yes, see the good my education has done me, as you bite the dust in this debate, ouch, baby!You have an excellent point that all the facts are not in, and the mainstream media has pretty much ignored this very frightening turn of events. My posts were in response to the many other posters here, who have shared their political ideoologies. Your lack of concern is puzzling, and your insistence that people refrain from discussing it is suspicious. You want all discussion of this topic stopped, not only about iraq.
Ok let's forget it, who cares anyway, right? Have fun at your next game, it won't ever happen again. rah rah sis boom bah
dahvid said:
posted on October 6, 2005 7:10 PM — 64.32.153.130 — link — abuse?
#78
pimpdaddy, your name betrays your claim to being a religious person, or says something about your religion. Either way, I've been warned to run far away from bible thumpers, because the list of fundamentalist christian violent serial criminals, offenders, etc, is truly shocking. so buh bye.
Although the topic here is suicide bombing, there are a few jocks here who resent it, so there is no point in continuing here.
Scrub said:
posted on October 6, 2005 8:18 PM — 69.248.103.159 — link — abuse?
Dahvid,
Thanks for proving my point that there are posts that are stupid and boring! I won't inflict long boring paragraphs on you, so I'll make it brief:
1. fanblogs.com = college football blog site (not sure you are aware of this)
2. Kevin's posts were about the bombing details and possible motives by the bomber. Kevin post things related to the college football world. I don't see him talking about Iraq, Bush (George not Reggie), Jews, Christians, etc. which is why he wrote #56 (who is interrupting who here?)
3. I do appreciate Kevin's updates on the bombing and I do want to hear more facts. The first reports that the student was Muslim, visited a mosque, and was part of an extremist group still needs to be confirmed. Who says I don't care? Its the conservative / liberal bashing that has gotten out of hand here (on a college footbal blog site of all places!) Go ahead, read some of those posts, do they sound intelligent to you?
4. The target audience of this site is football fans. Hmm, think about that for a second... You're getting angry because football fans don't want to hear about politics?
5. Do you even watch football?
posted on October 6, 2005 8:23 PM — link — abuse?
Well, some good discussion interlaced with some...not so good. Further updates to appear within the post. Thanks.
Please note that all comments are subject to the Fanblogs Comment Policy.
Gene Larew said:
posted on October 4, 2005 11:12 PM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?Yes, we're learning more every day and the FBI is not telling us near what they know.
I'm not sure they even know for sure who the person was who died or how he/she actually died.