November 21, 2005
Oklahoma to protest replay reviews in Tech loss
Not that he expects it to make a difference, but Oklahoma football coach Bob Stoops will submit a report on the officials who called Saturday's loss to Texas Tech. The game, which was won at the last second on a disputed touchdown, had three close replay calls in the final 30 seconds.
The Red Raiders converted a fourth-and-3 -- the Sooners believed the ball was spotted almost a yard beyond where the receiver was tackled, but a replay official declined to overturn the on-field call. A bobbled catch was called a touchdown with nine seconds left, but the play was overturned upon review. Taurean Henderson was awarded the winning touchdown as time expired; the Sooners believed they had stopped the Tech tailback short of the goal line. Some replays appeared to back that viewpoint, but the replay official decided the evidence was inconclusive and didn't overturn the call. Stoops said Sunday afternoon he had not spoken with any Big 12 officials about the controversy. But OU athletic director Joe Castiglione met with Stoops on Sunday afternoon; that's not a routine occurrence. The Sooners will probably send an extensive report that includes videotape of the plays in question.
Having watched and re-watched the fourth quarter, there's no question that these are very close calls on replay. The officials definitely mis-spotted the ball, but the other two calls were really too close for me to say that the officials blew it.
Stoops says he's not going to make an issue of the replays and the calls, but it's pretty much the lead story coming out of Norman today. So much for not making an issue of it, right?
I think the debate really boils down to bowl positioning. Stoops wants the Sooners in the Cotton Bowl and --with the loss to Tech-- the general consensus is that Tech will get the Cotton Bowl bid. Stoops is trying to create enough wiggle room that the Cotton officials could justify taking the Sooners over the Red Raiders. Will it work? We'll see.
Comments:
brent said:
posted on November 21, 2005 12:02 PM — 68.97.1.178 — link — abuse?
ou got absolutely screwed ive never seen a worse officiating job everyone says ou should have made the plays to win the game and they DID the refs just took them away every single step of the way Tech did not earn this win in any fashion the refs literally marched them down the field into the endzone on not only the finally td but two scores the referees are allowing themselves to make terrible calls knowing the replay will be there but then when there is not a "good, irrefutable" angle we get stuck with the same shitty call we got in the first place OU got home-towned BIG TIME
Fan of the Game said:
posted on November 21, 2005 2:02 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Does instant replay really work. I mean the object of instant replay is to get the calls right. I understand that the officials are human, so hence the saying."to err is human". But if instant replay is supposed to correct human error on the part of the officials, then why are ridiculous calls being upheld by instant replay. My theory is that if a bad call is made due to incompetence, then the replay review is subject to the same incompetence. If the official in charge of instant replay is just as incompetent as the ref who made the bad call, then how is instant replay solving the problem? I don't expect the outcome of the OU/Tech game to be overturned, but something needs to happen that will send a message to the officials. Now if you are an OU fan, you have to realize that if the officials spotted the ball 1 yard further on 4th down in favor of the Red Raiders, then it only shows that they are consistent when they award a touchdown on a play that gets within a yard of the endzone. Yes, I believe OU got the screws put to them by the officials, but unfortunately the refs are a part of the game. Before instant replay, teams and fans had to live with the calls made on the field. Now that instant replay is a part of the game, the teams and fans still have to live with the calls. On the subject of the Cotton Bowl, I think that the Cotton Bowl Committee will invite the Sooners over the Red Raiders. I doubt they will let poor officiating dictate who they choose to play in their Bowl game. Maybe that's a message within itself to the NCAA officials. Any thoughts?
tom said:
posted on November 21, 2005 2:04 PM — 69.148.223.34 — link — abuse?
Texas Tech recieved their Christmas present early this year. The refs were afraid they wouldn't have the life expectancy of a chocolate pie in a weight watchers meeting. They were actually scared to make the right call at the end of the game. Whomever, I don't care who you are. If you watched that game on television, seen the same things we all seen. 1st down, yeah right, Helen Keller could have called it better.
Touchdown, let'sface facts the refs, wanted that game to end. And end quickly, THe truth of the matter is, Tech won the game on some calls that should have been overturned. Can we get those refs to officiate, the Rose Bowl this year.......John said:
posted on November 21, 2005 2:21 PM — 71.33.198.20 — link — abuse?
Additionally, there was a punt by Oklahoma with about 10 minutes left in the 1st quarter that should have been 6 points. The punt was a 70 yard bomb that drove the returners back on the run. Chijoke out ran them both trying to down the ball inside the 5. One of the Tech players pushed Chijoke around the 5 yard line just as he was about to catch the ball. The ball went through Chijoke's hands and hit the Tech player in the shoulder pad causing it to go into the end zone. Why was this not a live ball??
Jim said:
posted on November 21, 2005 4:03 PM — 216.136.108.250 — link — abuse?
At least the guy running the game clock wasn't crooked (pls reference OU vs TT Bball a couple of years ago). I enjoyed watching the game. Tech dominated early, the game should have been over at half time they just didn't put them away. Typical shoulda, woulda, coulda, from Sooner fans, I really don't expect much more from them. Can't wait to watch UT thump USC, and Tech to score half a hundred on some poor SEC team. Sorry OU just hasn't done enough to impress this year, double OT vs Baylor, give me a break. Those last two comments should stir something up, enjoy.
TTU Fan said:
posted on November 21, 2005 6:09 PM — 199.43.32.26 — link — abuse?
If a punt defender touches a punt. The receiving team can touch, fumble, do what ever they want to w/ the punt and they will still get the ball in favorable shape. So the OU defender touched the ball, the tech player touched the ball, if OU recovers a fumble, then Tech would still receive the ball where it was touched by the offensive team. Strange rule but it almost came into play last year in the National Championship game. Every OU remembers that. There was a punt that was about to be downed inside the 5 by USC. It looked like the USC player touched the ball. The OU player obviously thought he did b/c he picked the ball up, fumbled it and USC scored a play later. If the USC player had touched the ball, even if the OU player fumbles it, it is first and ten OU where he picked it up. Tech might have gotten lucky but having been at the game I didn't see the injustices that I am hearing about. The OU line was holding every other play, it never was called.
war eagle 2004 said:
posted on November 21, 2005 6:09 PM — 67.166.240.114 — link — abuse?
jim who ever you are if you are close by i would like to bet whatever you could aford on texas tech alabama game they might not score at all.Trust me the big 12 is the weakest conf. ive seen.And texas will get hammered by usc.Did you forget last year when a overrated b12 team went to the orange bowl,but this year is different right.
Kate said:
posted on November 21, 2005 6:26 PM — 68.12.179.26 — link — abuse?
Please TTU fan watch the game again. More than likely you can call holding on both teams. That is for sure in all games. But come on..... TTU was given the spot on 4th down. And then it is so obvious the guy was down on the so called "touchdown". Think what you want but TTU did not win that game.
Gene Larew said:
posted on November 21, 2005 10:52 PM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
I can't believe Tech fans can actually show their faces outside of Lubbock.
You should be embarrassed.
What a hollow win that must be. The only way you can beat OU is for OU to have a down year and for Tech to have the best year in school history ......... and then ....... have the refs give you the game.
Enjoy the biggest win in your penny-ante football existence.
I'd be too ashamed to be posting on public forums. What a fraud of a football program you have.
And you can have the fricken Cotton Bowl, like wow .... get to kick off at 10 am and just hope its not 10 degrees and sleeting. SWC morons could only think the Cotton was worth anything.
Kevin ...... if you actually thought those plays were too close to call , then you need Lasik or glasses my man .......... good grief.
Gene Larew said:
posted on November 21, 2005 11:01 PM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
I got another thought for tech fans ....... you gotta come to Norman next year and we will be waiting with a much better football team.
And what is this crap with throwing ink on our players when they take the field???? Don't you think thats a little juvenile ? Your idiot fans poured ink on our players last trip and this time they put ink in water guns.
Man, living out there in that desert must do strange things to your fricken minds. Y'all are the worst fans in the Big 12, its not even close. Nobody likes your sorryasses.
Of the four Texas schools that joined the Big 8, Tech has proven to be the worst of the bunch. It would not bother me to see you leave the Big 12 Conference.
Everyone hates your sorryasses.
steve darneal said:
posted on November 22, 2005 8:05 AM — 166.102.170.158 — link — abuse?
Ya know since tech lost to 0-5 osu the week before, it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the game was doctored by the red raiders and the refs. From now on we will call them the "Texas Tech Red Raider Referees". Games like these are why the sooners have won so many national championships because if you can win against bought off referees you’re pretty dog gone good! You see the sooners will not get the cotton next season because they're to dog gone good. They'll be playing for the national championship instead. Teams like Texas Tech doesn’t know the secret of being a true championship football team and probably never will.
Larry said:
posted on November 22, 2005 9:23 AM — 155.8.89.2 — link — abuse?
Boy- OU fans are the biggest bunch of whiners I have ever seen; must be the the still after-effects of the USC butt-whooping from last year!! Like you have never benefitted from a questionable call in the past and that was before instant replay. And conspiracy theory that the refs won us the game? Please.... next thing you know, you'll be telling everyone that Mike Leach was the gunman on the grassy knoll... Take your medicine like the good trailer trash you are and have fun in San Antonio!! And as far as next year, unless you are recruiting some stud QB that is coming in to save your program, you are stuck with a very average Bomar. See you in Norman next year!
Neville said:
posted on November 22, 2005 10:10 AM — 24.196.23.80 — link — abuse?
Best thing I heard out of this on Norman radio Monday morning:
2 of the refs from this game worked the Miami - Ohio State BCS championship game 2 years ago (the horrible pass interference call in OT to give Ohio State new life),
and best of all:
1 of these refs actually worked the 1991 Colorado- Mizzouri game where the refs lost track of down and distance and let Colorado run a play on 5th down!!!
I can CONFIDENTLY say that EVERYONE would agree anyone who worked Colorado-Mizzouri 14 years ago should long ago have been forced into retirement
Neville said:
posted on November 22, 2005 10:15 AM — 24.196.23.80 — link — abuse?
Actually this is not so bad for the Sooners. The bowl matchup I am hearing will be Oklahoma-Michigan in San Antonio. For sooner fans that is a better matchup than OU - Alabama in the cotton bowl for a lot of reasons. A few that come to mind:
1. We just played a home and home with Alabama a couple years back
2. Waking up at 8am to go to a freezing cotton bowl just is not all that fun
3. The cotton bowl facility sucks
4. Michigan is really a very good team in by far the best conference this year.Gene Larew said:
posted on November 22, 2005 11:29 AM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
Larry needs to be worried about Leach's offense running its course and not about his tired stale view of Oklahoma.
Baylor, OkState , and now OU have shut down that offense it consecutive weeks. Its not talent thats stopping it....... its scheme.
And Leach is running the ball more than he ever has ... because he has to, his passing game is getting SOLVED . He's almost to the 50/50 level in playcalling between run/pass.
Without a RB with Henderson's skill, Leach's goofy butt is big time trouble. He will take any job thats offered to get his arse out Lubbock. He won't be at Tech next year. Its now or never for Leach to leave that armpit of the world.
And Tech will become the Big 12 doormat they deserve to be.
I can't wait for that sorryass bunch of fans to get there's.
Stevo said:
posted on November 22, 2005 11:31 AM — 129.118.130.220 — link — abuse?
Steve, you have no idea whay you are talking about. OU is playing OSU this week and they will probably lose their ass in that game. Tech took OSU for granted and they payed for it. If they played OSU again, Tech would spank their asses all over the field, I would bet on it. I also agree with Larry. OU fans are really big whinners. The QB issue, Larry is right on that one too. Better find a good one soon, or OU isnt gonna last long. As for the Cotton Bowl, there is no way that Oklahoma would get picked over Tech. Oklahoma lost to TCU in the first game of the season. That isn't even worth discussing. Like I said, they will probably lose to OSU too. Just quit whinning, and take the loss like a man. They got beat, that is all there is too it.
Gene Larew said:
posted on November 22, 2005 12:21 PM — 24.253.211.201 — link — abuse?
Hey Stevo ....... read carefully ,
OU fans don't give a ratsasss about the stupid Cotton Bowl.
You understand that .......
Only you myopic SWC dimwits think the Cotton Bowl is a big deal.
In the days of the Big 8, OU would use the SWC tie-in to the Cotton Bowl AGAINST UT in recruiting. You morons were telling recruits that if you win the SWC , you get to go all the way to DALLAS . And play a bowl game in freezing temperatures and snow.
All the other conferences were similar to the Big 8. Our winner went to the Orange Bowl.
Duh !! No wonder most of the best Texas players left the fricken state. It was easy fricken sell because you dimwits couldn't see beyond your Texas vanity.
The Cotton Bowl sucks.
OU won that game Saturday, you know it , we know it , and everybody else knows it. OU got the best of both worlds, we won the game and didn't have to go to the Cotton Bowl.
And Bomar will be the top QB in the Big 12 next year. He will also be in a scheme thats not mickey mouse and won't be shut down completely by every good defense that plays against it.
Stevo said:
posted on November 22, 2005 12:54 PM — 129.118.130.220 — link — abuse?
I dont really care about the big 8, cause it isn't the big 8 anymore, as of recently it is the big 12 if you didn't know that. OU didnt win the game Saturday, they lost. If you dont agree, look at the standings. Face the facts, Tech won, OU lost. I know its sad is'nt it??? It will settle in sooner or later. The Cotton bowl is a hell of a lot better bowl than OU will be playing in, that is for damn sure. They will be lucky to get into a bowl after they lose to OSU. As for Bomar, all they have him in there for is to hand the ball to the star, Adrain Peterson. He cant pass, he cant run, there is'nt much that he can do. He will be lucky if they dont recruit someone to be their starter and get rid of that bum. He is lucky to be the starter this year. If their QB recruiting was anyway halfway decent, he wouldnt have been the starter cause they would have prepared someone to play for White when he left. Someone had to do it, and he was the gopher to do it. Tech is going to beat their ass again next year, so just prepare yourself now, since we did it this year already. You should really learn to spell correctly.
Jim said:
posted on November 22, 2005 1:19 PM — 216.136.108.250 — link — abuse?
Gene, did they decide to go to OU before or after Switzer (sp) payed them? The only poor fan I see on this page is.... well, you. Remember, deep breaths in through your nose and out through your mouth..hummmmmmmmmmmm
I still stand by my previous statement Texas will kill USC. I'll also go as far to say that Michigan might play in the Alamo Bowl, but it will be vs Iowa State. Enjoy.
posted on November 22, 2005 2:39 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Ball across the line, knees not yet on the ground. Sure looks like a TD from here.
THE Franchise said:
posted on November 22, 2005 2:43 PM — 68.1.225.228 — link — abuse?
Gene, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Don't worry, you are just experiencing the same thing that Aggies are going through-the disbelief that somehow your mighty sooners have fallen to the Red Raiders. Have fun on the Riverwalk!
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swingdoctor14 said:
posted on November 21, 2005 10:32 AM — 65.70.171.58 — link — abuse?All the p&m in the world won't change the score but at least Stoops is fighting for his team. I still think the Sooners will be picking Cotton