September 18, 2006
Officials from Ducks-Sooners game suspended
The PAC 10 officials who were responsible for Saturday's debacle in the game between Oregon and Oklahoma have been suspended for a game and an apology issued to the Sooners.
The apology and suspensions were issued after University of Oklahoma president David Boren sent a letter to the Big XII commissioner asking for an apology, a suspension of the officials for the remainder of the year, and asking the PAC 10 to drop its rule requiring conference officials in nonconference home games for PAC 10 members. Boren also asked for the game to not count as a win or loss for either team and for the Big XII to push the issue of reviewing the replay rules with the NCAA.
Statement of PAC 10 commissioner Tom Hansen:
The fact that the errors on the onside kick altered the outcome of the game is most unfortunate and unsettling. We had a solid veteran crew assigned, and the instant replay official had a fine career as a referee in the Pac-10. We believe in the ability and integrity of each individual involved. It should be noted that not all of the seven officials were directly involved in the play in question, but the entire crew bears responsibility for every play. Game officials and replay officials have positions of great responsibility and must be accountable for their actions.Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, Coach Bob Stoops and his players. They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating.
Because of the ramifications, we are taking action against both the members of the officiating crew and the instant replay official and his assistant. Each individual will be suspended for one game, and their work in future games closely monitored.
Officiating on the field is much more difficult than it appears from the stands, and certainly when watching repeated replays. Plays occur at a high rate of speed. Decisions on the field must be made instantaneously. The training and experience of officials at this level enable them to work at a high degree of accuracy. Unfortunately, at the critical moment of this game errors were made.
Further, the instant replay official is limited to the views of any play which is made available and must make a timely decision, although on the kickoff play ample views were available.
David Cutaia, the referee in Saturday's game, was also the referee during controversy in the 2002 game between Cal and USC.
From the Irish Sports Report in 2002:
In the win over California, USC had one call in its favor that was a subject of debate.Officials ruled that Trojan receiver Kareem Kelly caught a 6-yard scoring pass from Carson Palmer. But replays showed otherwise.
California coach Jeff Tedford and his players voiced their displeasure with the call.
The impact of the call was crucial. USC trailed 21-3 at the time. Replays cannot be used to review plays in college football.
Referee David Cutaia said the touchdown was not overturned, because none of the officials saw the ball hit the ground.
Cutaia also works as an Arena Football official in the summer.
Comments:
The Mayor said:
posted on September 18, 2006 7:10 PM — 24.23.202.200 — link — abuse?
Nothing here changes my mind. The game is over and Oregon won.
Suspension and apology are not going to appease Sooner Nation. For a true Duck fan, this is now a hollow victory.
The game is not going to be over-turned, we are not going to mail in our forfeit...so once again, move on. To continue to argue about the unfairness of it all makes you a whiner in my book.
My daughter had a teacher in Junior High that made them do push ups if they complained that he was being "unfair." His point was to teach them that life is not always fair and that you will face adversity. How you deal with that is what distinguishes your character.
One thing is clear, the Pac-10 needs to change it's officiating policy for Non-Conference games.
zoo said:
posted on September 18, 2006 7:23 PM — 66.167.128.214 — link — abuse?
as an avid Oklahoma Sooners fan, I wouldn't have dreamed in a million years the PAC-10 would actually have enough integrity to admit they got it wrong. and i'm still not convinced it's intergrity as much as it is publicly exposed. in the scheme of things, it doesn't change the unfairness for the Sooners having this one marked down as a loss, but it's vindication on a small scale.
one game suspension is weak.
good luck to Oregon the rest of the way- hope the PAC-10 doesn't tarnish anymore of your ... (not sure of word to insert here) difficult to say "win" when the officials just countered that with an apology and admission of changing the outcome of a game. not the teams fault though. that i do recognize.
Regan said:
posted on September 18, 2006 7:25 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
I say scrap the concept of having 'Conference Referees'. Why the heck doesn't the NCAA just have 'referees'???
Seriously? This was begging for trouble - ask Florida fans about their home game against FSU a few years back...
SMP said:
posted on September 18, 2006 7:33 PM — 67.164.44.181 — link — abuse?
I am a life long Duck fan and was at the Oregon-Oklahoma game, I was also at the Holiday bowl. I was so disappointed by the loss in the Holiday, mostly because Oregon didn't play well enough to win. I thought Oregon played well enough to win at Autzen except for the four turnovers. They showed determination to win and took advantage of every oppurtunity they could to win. To the great Oklahoma fans I met at the game I regret this win for Oregon has to be tainted with awful officiating. I would have liked to have seen Oregon defeat the Sooners fair and square, or rather just loose because Oklahoma beat the Ducks. I respect Oklahoma football, I respect the many great fans I met both in San Diego and at Autzen. Oregon is trying to become a nationally renowned program, and I think the players showed that Saturday, even while the thrill of it and the achievment of it is being hollowed by terrible calls. I wish Oklahoma luck and perhaps we will meet again and have a game clearly dicided by who plays better on the field. Afterall, college football is the best and what I got to witness live was one of the greatest sports moments I have ever witnessed.
SMP
K Hat said:
posted on September 18, 2006 7:54 PM — 4.244.215.74 — link — abuse?
A one game suspension equals a slap on the wrist. The NCAA has to address the average to poor jobs some of these refs do, but anymore, the NCAA acts like the refs are above criticism.
I couldn't tell you how many times that I watch a game, a "close call" play occurs in front of a ref, and that official looks to another official for help.
They use instant replay as a crutch to assist in their medicore officiating skills, and hope the guys in the booth bail them out. And now, they can't even get that right.
OU Fan said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:05 PM — 72.161.218.78 — link — abuse?
At least justice was some what served, and thats good enough for me. I'm just glad that the Pac 10 even agree that those were bad calls. Time to move on. OU needs to practice their asses off and correct their mistakes, or this season will be long. Go Sooners! The OU Oregon game was f&cking crazy!! Never expected all of this.
An OU Fan said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:17 PM — 210.146.98.102 — link — abuse?
Yet another scnadle for the crooked PAC10 and it's commissioner Thomas Hansen. Seems the only way a PAC10 team can win is with the assistance of their crooked officials and pathetic conference leadership.
All PAC10 schools, and especially Oregon, should be ashamed of the results of last Saturday's game. The whole nation watched, everyone knows what happened and why !
Oregon did not win that game and it's a shame that this OU team has to move on with their season under this cloud of unprofessionalism in the PAC10.
And a one game suspension, not a bad price to pay for crooked officiating I'd say. The officials should have been suspended for at least the season.
So go ahead and 'Be Proud' of this freebie win 'Lame Ducks' and the PAC10, the nation will be watching you make more mistakes.... you know it, I know it, the whole nation knows it !!
Not even a fan said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:42 PM — 70.241.247.205 — link — abuse?
On game? Sounds more like rewarding them with a weekend off than punishment. I'm guessing they will be sitting in 50 yardline suite seats next weekend for the next Ducks game. Probably even have to turn down some lesser 45 yard-liners.
neither duck or sooner fan said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:42 PM — 209.40.77.252 — link — abuse?
neither a duck or a sooner fan, though I did watch the game, Yah ducks, or lame lucky ducks as you should now be called. your comment of "now we can play with the big boys", this should go to prove that the only way you can play with the big boys is by poor officiating in your favor, this should be a hollow victory, and you should be ashamed to even accept a victory that you would have lost except for the pac 10 officials. the one game suspension is a joke, along with an apology that says sorry that it affected the outcome of the game. I,m sorry to say this makes the pac 10 and especially the Oregon Ducks look worse to the college football world than had they lost honestly.
Here Duckie, Duckie, Duckie said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:43 PM — 71.213.226.54 — link — abuse?
Who did Oklahoma blame for that pitiful loss at home to non-BCS TCU last year? They whined about not being ready and Rhett Bomar's drinking problem and a whole bunch of other crap. The fact of the matter is that if Oklahoma was really a title contender these days, they would have won the Oregon game. National championship teams must, at times, win games IN SPITE OF OFFICIATING. Kick the ball with a little higher trajectory, and you would have had it anyway.
A Fan Overseas said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:50 PM — 210.146.98.102 — link — abuse?
From the PAC10's most crooked person, Commissioner Tom Hansen, "Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, coach Bob Stoops and his players," Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen said in a statement. "They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating."
Oops, the PAC10 officials made 'some' mistakes, that makes it all better now.... typical.
Yep, integrity is thriving out on the west coast... the kind of integrity the whole nation saw last Saturday.
zoo said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:54 PM — 66.167.128.214 — link — abuse?
here ducky, ducky quote: "Kick the ball with a little higher trajectory, and you would have had it anyway."
or recover the onside kick while your ahead. oh wait, that happened. try some humility duck. this is not something to be thumping your chest over.
GoDuckYourself said:
posted on September 18, 2006 8:57 PM — 202.58.246.99 — link — abuse?
Ya'll don't get it do you? Poor officiating happens every week and it is not always fair. Trust me, the Ducks are worthy of national rankings regardless of the result of this game. Do ya think it gets better in the pro's? Last year's Superbowl is a perfect example...if you are a Steeler fan, you also experienced a hollow victory...Go Ducks!
MPirate said:
posted on September 18, 2006 9:08 PM — 63.96.196.190 — link — abuse?
A player receives a pair of shoes from an alum and the NCAA suspends the program for 2 years and the player gets the boot (at a clean program like OU..not Ohio State or such). The Refs blatently cheat and determine the outcome of a big game and they get a 1 game suspension. The NCAA had better correct that punishment and they'd better do it pronto or they completely lose whatever credibility they have left (which isn't much).
posted on September 18, 2006 9:36 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
I find it interesting that the same ref that oversaw the Ducks-Sooner game is the one that blew the Cal-USC call.
haenous said:
posted on September 18, 2006 10:13 PM — 66.87.33.59 — link — abuse?
Welcome to the PAC 10, the conference of "Cheaters". Saying the PAC 10 refs made a mistake is the understatement of the year. This was the absolute worst case of "Home Cookin" I have ever seen. The picture of the Oklahoma player holding the ball with the referee signaling possession for Oregon speaks volumes regarding the total lack of integrity by the refs. To the Oregon and Oklahoma football teams, you both played hard and are all winners. It is the referee's and PAC 10 conference that are the LOSERS.
Arlington said:
posted on September 18, 2006 10:13 PM — 69.175.203.183 — link — abuse?
As a lifelong Sooner fan, I was extremely disappointed that such a bad call, coming when it did in the game, wrongly determined the outcome of the game. It was unfair, but it was not the Ducks' fault. Hey, give 'em credit, they didn't give up and they showed character (unlike some of their fans on this blog). I wish them well. Let's move on--maybe work on our secondary and do a few more tackling drills.
OU Alum said:
posted on September 18, 2006 10:34 PM — 24.119.157.56 — link — abuse?
Thank you SMP (Scroll up to #7). I also look forward to a rematch of a Sooners-Ducks game. The Oregon team played very well.
It was a great game to watch. The varied emotions kept me on the edge of my seat the entire game. I can't remember cussing and then cheering so much in just one football game. It ranks right in there with the 1971 OU-Nebraska game.
Even with the missed calls by the officials the Sooners defense should have held. The defensive rush and the secondary failed us not to mention the blocked field goal attempt.
Who knows? If both teams go the rest of the season undefeated and the football gods smile upon us...There could be a rematch this season.
BOOMER SOONER
The Truth said:
posted on September 18, 2006 10:56 PM — 66.68.114.206 — link — abuse?
Oregon fans--you are embarrassing yourselves by even commenting--you think you are becoming a college football national presence--what a laugh. This game will not matter in the end--you will go on to lose to ASU, Cal, and USC--you utter and complete chumps.
OU 7 wins vs UO and 7 National Championships
UO 0 wins vs OU and 0 National Championships (but multiple uniform combos--you clowns).melmar (huge soonerfan said:
posted on September 18, 2006 11:02 PM — 24.116.28.74 — link — abuse?
Well saying your sorry is a little late in my book.taking away the lose is the only thing that would correct what happened and the lousy refs who called this game. One game..gee they can have a nice weekend off,just like a mini vacation. Big Deal. I like HOME COOKING, but it should stay in the kitchen!!!! These boys work hard in their sports on both sides and the refs made everyone suffer for their stupid blunder.Shame on you!!! A year off for them is what they need.
Joe Blow said:
posted on September 18, 2006 11:49 PM — 24.253.227.155 — link — abuse?
As a Sooner fan, I vote that we never again waste our dollars on a trip to the West Coast. Obiously, they don't like us, or our money, so why bother going into their den of thieves and take a chance on losing a national championship?
MIKE said:
posted on September 19, 2006 12:12 AM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
I couldn't be any happier...I have watched way too many games where, pardon the pun, the ball bounced the other way. The Sooner Magic is working...except it's for the other team and the Sooner whiners can't stand it !! I love it !!
Ducky said:
posted on September 19, 2006 12:20 AM — 66.241.92.136 — link — abuse?
To 26...The Truth....
What do you mean that Duck Fans should not even be commenting...if you had any sense you would realize that many Duck Fans know that the call was a gift. Don't take it out on the Duck football team though...they didn't make the bad call. They are a very good team that put up over 500 yards on the Sooners.
HOOK THIS !! said:
posted on September 19, 2006 12:25 AM — 152.163.100.196 — link — abuse?
I am so glad that the world is seeing all of the whining that is coming out of the Sooner or Later nation !!! They have had so many "bad" calls, bouncing balls, and trick plays go their way in the past that the scales of justice aren't even close to being even!! Here's a little something to chew on you Losers....even after the ball was given to Oregon (as if those types of bad calls aren't made every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday...you big Losers)...the bottom line is that they still rammed it down your throats and scored again. Don't blame it on the officials... blame it on your defense who gave up the two touchdowns at the end of the game and on your kicker for kicking it so damn low .... you are Losers !!!! Go "Duck" YOURSELVES !!!
Here Duckie, Duckie, Duckie said:
posted on September 19, 2006 12:28 AM — 71.213.226.54 — link — abuse?
Way to go Sooner fans (*sarcasm* button firmly held)! Sending death threats to a referee... now, that is classy. Stop making yourselves look like you come from the armpit of Western society. Just stop it. Nobody cares about your whining. Why not blame your coach for allowing Oregon back in the game? Why not blame your defense for having more holes than an junior high zone?
Remember, the NCAA has been VERY hard on officials, stressing that calls should only be overturned if there is INDISPUTABLE evidence. Such a policy, however, is not interpreted the same everywhere, and unfortunately, it still leaves room for officials to cave to hometown pressure.
soarbut said:
posted on September 19, 2006 12:36 AM — 71.199.200.7 — link — abuse?
Sad state when an entire season could be altered by a completely moronic group of 7 so called officials. For those of you who say "well the OU defense should have stopped them anyway"......it is hard to play defense with your pants down around your ankles
soonerssuck said:
posted on September 19, 2006 12:39 AM — 71.193.220.73 — link — abuse?
Hey the truth... why dont you start watching the truth. Last time I checked the ducks just won that game. You little pu*sies keep crying about an onside kick call. If this was the other way around you little whining hicks would be cheering a great victory for OU. Well I got news for you... DUCKS WON, AND ARE RANKED HIGHER THAN THE SOONERS. HAHAHAHA. If the ducks are lucky we will get the chance to face OU again in a bowl game, and not make foolish mistakes, so we can kick your a** even more than this Saturday, and shut your fans up once and for all
Beaver Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:12 AM — 72.192.189.39 — link — abuse?
Despite the blown call UO still gave up 2 TD's and had a field goal blocked in the last 3 minutes. What's going to happen when they play a GOOD team? Besides the Texas game, they have the softest final 9 games in the country...........so I guess we might not find out.
Rick said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:34 AM — 67.5.203.78 — link — abuse?
Wha Wha Wha...If the Sooners are so good why didnt they just outscore the Ducks on the field.just because they BLEW the lead they had ..except it and move on... keep in mind the Super Bowl had plenty of BLOWN CALLS!! and it never changed the outcome ...Dont allow the this to be a set-back to the PAC10.. if the cituation was reversed the Sooners would say quite your whinning
Alex said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:34 AM — 24.22.32.222 — link — abuse?
I wanted to apologize to Sooner fans for my tone in my previous posts under the other article because I forgot that kids play this game. Kids who deserve our respect for a great game. It sucks for a game to end like this. I just want to say a few last things.
1: I am really disheartened by the media bias in this situation. You can tell that none of the pundits actually watched the game!!! No mention of how well the Ducks played, no mention of Dixon’s 350 yards! No mention of Peterson showing once again how unreal he is, how anyone protects the ball that well at the speed and strength I have no idea, no mention of how well the converted wide receiver played for Oklahoma, no mention of Stewart and how great he is and how much better he will be. What a damn shame! Sooner fans notice how nothing is said about the ducks and their efforts, nothing. We get this all the time while you guys get all the attention in the world.
2: The ball was blown dead when Chung recovered the ball so that is a mute point
3: Everyone is out to kill the referees who are human beings, death threats? Oklahoma fans what the hell??? ALL OKLAHOMA FANS NEED TO CONDEMN THIS RIGHT NOW!
4: Previous point adding on THE BALL WAS LESS THAN A YARD SHORT FROM TEN YARDS WITH TWO VERY LARGE ATHLETES JUMPING FOR THE BALL OBSTRUCTING THE REFS VIEW GIVE THE REFS ON THE FIELD A BREAK! AS FOR THE REPLAY OFFICIALS SAME DEAL. it is hard to tell if the ball went ten yards from an overhead view!
5: Why does everyone want to criticize the ducks? We are a fledgling program trying to make it in the northwest. We are the underdogs. We fight a time zone problem. We have been left out of a national title game behind a Nebraska team that had just been destroyed by Colorado, the same Colorado team that we destroyed in the Fiesta bowl and proved we deserved to play Miami that year. We went 12-1 last year on back up quarterbacks; our starter then is now in the NFL. We got left out of a BCS game behind a Notre Dame team that lost to the same team we did, USC, and another team the finished under 500 MSU, and barely beat a Stanford team that we crushed! Our players play hard and our city wants our team to succeed.
Kevin Donahue you continue to decry our organization know that you also do the same to the city and all the loyal fans who dream of a title. I also am now a former fan.Oklahoma fans: I will root for your team to do well the rest of the season and ask you to do the same for us. Hopefully we can meet in the end and have a better-judged contest.
Alex said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:34 AM — 24.22.32.222 — link — abuse?
I wanted to apologize to Sooner fans for my tone in my previous posts under the other article because I forgot that kids play this game. Kids who deserve our respect for a great game. It sucks for a game to end like this. I just want to say a few last things.
1: I am really disheartened by the media bias in this situation. You can tell that none of the pundits actually watched the game!!! No mention of how well the Ducks played, no mention of Dixon’s 350 yards! No mention of Peterson showing once again how unreal he is, how anyone protects the ball that well at the speed and strength I have no idea, no mention of how well the converted wide receiver played for Oklahoma, no mention of Stewart and how great he is and how much better he will be. What a damn shame! Sooner fans notice how nothing is said about the ducks and their efforts, nothing. We get this all the time while you guys get all the attention in the world.
2: The ball was blown dead when Chung recovered the ball so that is a mute point
3: Everyone is out to kill the referees who are human beings, death threats? Oklahoma fans what the hell??? ALL OKLAHOMA FANS NEED TO CONDEMN THIS RIGHT NOW!
4: Previous point adding on THE BALL WAS LESS THAN A YARD SHORT FROM TEN YARDS WITH TWO VERY LARGE ATHLETES JUMPING FOR THE BALL OBSTRUCTING THE REFS VIEW GIVE THE REFS ON THE FIELD A BREAK! AS FOR THE REPLAY OFFICIALS SAME DEAL. it is hard to tell if the ball went ten yards from an overhead view!
5: Why does everyone want to criticize the ducks? We are a fledgling program trying to make it in the northwest. We are the underdogs. We fight a time zone problem. We have been left out of a national title game behind a Nebraska team that had just been destroyed by Colorado, the same Colorado team that we destroyed in the Fiesta bowl and proved we deserved to play Miami that year. We went 12-1 last year on back up quarterbacks; our starter then is now in the NFL. We got left out of a BCS game behind a Notre Dame team that lost to the same team we did, USC, and another team the finished under 500 MSU, and barely beat a Stanford team that we crushed! Our players play hard and our city wants our team to succeed.
Kevin Donahue you continue to decry our organization know that you also do the same to the city and all the loyal fans who dream of a title. I also am now a former fan.Oklahoma fans: I will root for your team to do well the rest of the season and ask you to do the same for us. Hopefully we can meet in the end and have a better-judged contest.
Alex said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:34 AM — 24.22.32.222 — link — abuse?
I wanted to apologize to Sooner fans for my tone in my previous posts under the other article because I forgot that kids play this game. Kids who deserve our respect for a great game. It sucks for a game to end like this. I just want to say a few last things.
1: I am really disheartened by the media bias in this situation. You can tell that none of the pundits actually watched the game!!! No mention of how well the Ducks played, no mention of Dixon’s 350 yards! No mention of Peterson showing once again how unreal he is, how anyone protects the ball that well at the speed and strength I have no idea, no mention of how well the converted wide receiver played for Oklahoma, no mention of Stewart and how great he is and how much better he will be. What a damn shame! Sooner fans notice how nothing is said about the ducks and their efforts, nothing. We get this all the time while you guys get all the attention in the world.
2: The ball was blown dead when Chung recovered the ball so that is a mute point
3: Everyone is out to kill the referees who are human beings, death threats? Oklahoma fans what the hell??? ALL OKLAHOMA FANS NEED TO CONDEMN THIS RIGHT NOW!
4: Previous point adding on THE BALL WAS LESS THAN A YARD SHORT FROM TEN YARDS WITH TWO VERY LARGE ATHLETES JUMPING FOR THE BALL OBSTRUCTING THE REFS VIEW GIVE THE REFS ON THE FIELD A BREAK! AS FOR THE REPLAY OFFICIALS SAME DEAL. it is hard to tell if the ball went ten yards from an overhead view!
5: Why does everyone want to criticize the ducks? We are a fledgling program trying to make it in the northwest. We are the underdogs. We fight a time zone problem. We have been left out of a national title game behind a Nebraska team that had just been destroyed by Colorado, the same Colorado team that we destroyed in the Fiesta bowl and proved we deserved to play Miami that year. We went 12-1 last year on back up quarterbacks; our starter then is now in the NFL. We got left out of a BCS game behind a Notre Dame team that lost to the same team we did, USC, and another team the finished under 500 MSU, and barely beat a Stanford team that we crushed! Our players play hard and our city wants our team to succeed.
Kevin Donahue you continue to decry our organization know that you also do the same to the city and all the loyal fans who dream of a title. I also am now a former fan.Oklahoma fans: I will root for your team to do well the rest of the season and ask you to do the same for us. Hopefully we can meet in the end and have a better-judged contest.
Alex said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:35 AM — 24.22.32.222 — link — abuse?
I wanted to apologize to Sooner fans for my tone in my previous posts under the other article because I forgot that kids play this game. Kids who deserve our respect for a great game. It sucks for a game to end like this. I just want to say a few last things.
1: I am really disheartened by the media bias in this situation. You can tell that none of the pundits actually watched the game!!! No mention of how well the Ducks played, no mention of Dixon’s 350 yards! No mention of Peterson showing once again how unreal he is, how anyone protects the ball that well at the speed and strength I have no idea, no mention of how well the converted wide receiver played for Oklahoma, no mention of Stewart and how great he is and how much better he will be. What a damn shame! Sooner fans notice how nothing is said about the ducks and their efforts, nothing. We get this all the time while you guys get all the attention in the world.
2: The ball was blown dead when Chung recovered the ball so that is a mute point
3: Everyone is out to kill the referees who are human beings, death threats? Oklahoma fans what the hell??? ALL OKLAHOMA FANS NEED TO CONDEMN THIS RIGHT NOW!
4: Previous point adding on THE BALL WAS LESS THAN A YARD SHORT FROM TEN YARDS WITH TWO VERY LARGE ATHLETES JUMPING FOR THE BALL OBSTRUCTING THE REFS VIEW GIVE THE REFS ON THE FIELD A BREAK! AS FOR THE REPLAY OFFICIALS SAME DEAL. it is hard to tell if the ball went ten yards from an overhead view!
5: Why does everyone want to criticize the ducks? We are a fledgling program trying to make it in the northwest. We are the underdogs. We fight a time zone problem. We have been left out of a national title game behind a Nebraska team that had just been destroyed by Colorado, the same Colorado team that we destroyed in the Fiesta bowl and proved we deserved to play Miami that year. We went 12-1 last year on back up quarterbacks; our starter then is now in the NFL. We got left out of a BCS game behind a Notre Dame team that lost to the same team we did, USC, and another team the finished under 500 MSU, and barely beat a Stanford team that we crushed! Our players play hard and our city wants our team to succeed.
Kevin Donahue you continue to decry our organization know that you also do the same to the city and all the loyal fans who dream of a title. I also am now a former fan.Oklahoma fans: I will root for your team to do well the rest of the season and ask you to do the same for us. Hopefully we can meet in the end and have a better-judged contest.
Hook-Em-Horns said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:50 AM — 66.52.142.5 — link — abuse?
If the sooner fans are going to complain so much, maybe I should start complaining about how Oregon got screwed out of the national championship game in 2001.
It is unfortunate that the officials messed up the game, but if Oklahoma had played better, the poor officiating would have been a moot point. You can write about how the officials screwed you over; you needed to play so well that even with crappy officials you still would have won.
Hey, The Truth-why is it that the Ducks have been to 13 bowl games in the past 17 years and you mock their national presence? The Ducks are already a national presence. Year in and year out they are underrated (except for 2003). I seem to remember recently where the Sooners were picked to win the national championship a couple times and you only seemed to win once. The Sooners have been overrated.
Phil Weeks said:
posted on September 19, 2006 2:21 AM — 66.91.224.236 — link — abuse?
This game should be eliminated from the record books due to the unfortunate officiating. It should not be seen as a win for Oregon or a loss for Oklahoma. Justice would be served by this action, however it might set a dangerous precedent.
Tomcat said:
posted on September 19, 2006 3:32 AM — 70.244.248.250 — link — abuse?
O Kay Ducks wake up call- you won YA RIGHT
follow the money and you will find the culprits.
Now a days the Vegas mobsters have got their grasp on alot of people especialy the Ducks.
Lets face it college football is big bucks for some folks and the refs in this game are holding the purse.
It is realy sad that some folks still resort to these type of activities and the Ducks and their Allumi are the ones who stand to profit off of such blatent calls.OK is a joke, kay. said:
posted on September 19, 2006 4:22 AM — 209.112.223.154 — link — abuse?
The simple fact is the Oklahoma's whole game-plan can be attributed to one player, who was shut down for an entire half.
If Oklahoma could play defense for an entire game, or if they had a real QB (or one that doesn't only pretend to sell cars) we wouldn't even be talking about this.
But they don't. Their defense gave up, and let the Ducks score 2 TDs in essentially two plays. Even if they did get the ball back after the onside, they probably would have been stopped in their tracks, just like they were during their pathetic early TD attempt. Oregon would have got the ball back after using their TOs and scored with ease just like they did before and after the alleged mistaken call. Which would have left even less time for their sorry FG attempt.
The only reason they gave the officials any suspension at all is to pay lip service to the Big-12 so inter-conference play can continue in a reasonable fashion. He didn't do anything wrong. It's just like when a cop shoots a criminal, they suspend the officer whether or not he had the right to do it.
I won't be surprised if they abandon inter-conference play altogether just so they can declare themselves national champions without actually having to play anyone from a real conference(I exempt the Longhorns from this statement they're for real).
And as for the admission by the replay official that he blew the call, what would you do if you (and your family) were getting death threats from classless homicidal Okies? I would probably admit to something that never happened in order to protect my family.
OK is a joke, kay. said:
posted on September 19, 2006 4:22 AM — 209.112.223.154 — link — abuse?
The simple fact is the Oklahoma's whole game-plan can be attributed to one player, who was shut down for an entire half.
If Oklahoma could play defense for an entire game, or if they had a real QB (or one that doesn't only pretend to sell cars) we wouldn't even be talking about this.
But they don't. Their defense gave up, and let the Ducks score 2 TDs in essentially two plays. Even if they did get the ball back after the onside, they probably would have been stopped in their tracks, just like they were during their pathetic early TD attempt. Oregon would have got the ball back after using their TOs and scored with ease just like they did before and after the alleged mistaken call. Which would have left even less time for their sorry FG attempt.
The only reason they gave the officials any suspension at all is to pay lip service to the Big-12 so inter-conference play can continue in a reasonable fashion. He didn't do anything wrong. It's just like when a cop shoots a criminal, they suspend the officer whether or not he had the right to do it.
I won't be surprised if they abandon inter-conference play altogether just so they can declare themselves national champions without actually having to play anyone from a real conference(I exempt the Longhorns from this statement they're for real).
And as for the admission by the replay official that he blew the call, what would you do if you (and your family) were getting death threats from classless homicidal Okies? I would probably admit to something that never happened in order to protect my family.
just a fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 8:57 AM — 24.105.169.66 — link — abuse?
No one likes to play in an unfair place. You have to show changes which are able to let people believe it will be a fair place for playing non-conference game. A suspension and apology will do nothing for the same event in future. Do not make Oregon or other PAC-10 teams look bad. Nothing is wrong with the teams. It is due to the politics or officiating. I wonder they knew what they did. They just do not want to correct wrong thing.
Sean said:
posted on September 19, 2006 9:10 AM — 12.129.97.254 — link — abuse?
in response to message 48... who is being classless you actually think that clown is getting death threats? sounds to me he is looking for sympathy, its called a guilty conscience! Dont even try to question OU's integrity, how many National Titles does oregon have? you are obviously a blind homer who knows nothing about football! " he didnt do anything wrong" keep telling yourself that if it makes your fallacious win wash down easier!
Harold Clark said:
posted on September 19, 2006 9:19 AM — 161.51.11.2 — link — abuse?
"Happy" says....get over it Sooner-the-better..it happened to you, get over it. The Ducks won and you lost. OU...you will not be the first or last to get bit from the replay. You OK. fans can get green if you want but it has happened to othere and the game never over turned or come to a draw (that i can remember) Keep fighting.
OU Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 10:27 AM — 72.161.218.78 — link — abuse?
You Longhorn fans can talk all you want. Bob Stoops owns Mack Brown with a 5-2 record against Texas. Does Texas remember 63-14 and 65-13? Texas did not lose to Ohio State in Austin, they got their a$$es wooped. Its funny how some Texas fans thought Colt McCoy was going to lead Texas to a championship. Now thats funny. It was obvious that Texas won the National Championship last year because of Vince Young, whom I have much respect for. I do feel sorry for the Pac 10 officials who are getting death threats because thats just uncalled for and unprofessional and hopefully the dumb @sses who are making them will stop. And I do not think that the loss to Oregon should be wiped out of the books. Its a loss and its time to move on. I'm not a sore loser. Oregon played a great game and I think that Dixon is awesome. And criticize as much as you want, but all these whiny a$$ Sooner fans that you all hate had a pretty d@mn good reason to whine. When ESPN writers write about it and the Pac 10 apologizes, all of your opinions just don't really mean a d@mn thing do they. Hell Mack Brown was crying about the new clock rule and using that as an excuse because his team got wooped by Ohio State. And Matthew McConaughey is hilarious, just like all Texas fans posting your BS. I don't see Texas going to another National Championship for a long time. Besides last lucky season, Texas will always be that one loss team that makes it to a BCS bowl and not a championship, and that one loss will be from us hicks, hillybillies, rednecks, Okies, or whatever the hell you want to call us. Texas fans are mad at Oklahoma because some of their best players from their state choose to go north of the Red River instead of staying in the overpopulated state of Texas. Texas has what, 22.8 million people or something like that compared to Oklahoma's 3.4 million. I have been to Texas and even have family that have moved there, and I don't know if you Texas fans have noticed it or not, but there are more hicks and rednecks in Texas than there are in Oklahoma. Go Tulsa! Go Sooners! Beat Texas! Peterson for the Heisman! Whoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
One time, in band camp said:
posted on September 19, 2006 10:53 AM — 64.123.115.155 — link — abuse?
First of all, I hope that both teams can remember some good things about this game and move on.
I was once asked to ref for kids flag football competition that lasted all day. To make this short, I could have thrown 5 flags on every play. It didn't take long to figure out that I should only throw a flag if the penalty effected the outcome of the play. Otherwise the games would have taken forever. And yes, The parents from both teams were yelling at me for not calling every foul. I'm sure that the officials have to make those kind of decisions every game. I really like the idea that the plays can be reviewed to help the officials make the correct calls. That system did seem to break down during this game and probably others. Especially the calls that determined the outcome of the game in the final minutes. Maybe the review booth should have a phone line with an official from each school and an independant official to vote and any reviews for say, the last 5 minutes of the game.?Yex said:
posted on September 19, 2006 10:53 AM — 198.185.18.207 — link — abuse?
Given a review of the play, it was the worst call I've ever witnessed in football. No way Oregon was going to lose that game. Sad day.
No way Oregon was going to lose that game? Good grief. You people are unbelievable. Actually...there was a very easy way for Oregon to have lost the game...Oklahoma might have considered stopping Oregon from scoring two touchdowns within the span of 22 seconds... ?!?!!! Did anyone ever consider that?! I know there's a lot of controversy around this, and its easy to blame the officials, and yes, there were some questionable calls (that went *both* ways...everyone *also* seems to be forgetting about the calls that were missed in Oklahoma's favor in the first half...that weren't even reviewed by the Pac-10...lucky Sooners), but when it comes right down to performing on the field, bottom line is, Oklahoma had the ball inside the ten yard line THREE TIMES in the fourth quarter, and went away with only 9 points instead of 21. Oregon's defense stopped 'em cold. Something we can't all say about Oklahoma...letting Oregon score two touchdowns in the final two minutes of the game, AND having their go-ahead field-goal blocked in the last play of the game...ALL of which would have given Oregon the loss. But Oklahoma couldn't pull it off.
I'm sick of all you people throwing ALL of the blame on the referees on not taking any responsibility for poor coaching, clock-management, defense and special teams (field goal team) on the part of Oklahoma in that fourth quarter. Yes, the referees made mistakes. So did Oregon, and SO did Oklahoma. Suck it up and take a little bit of responsibility for your own poor performance, on stop trying to blame it on everything but the Oklahoma coaches and team.
Reedo said:
posted on September 19, 2006 10:56 AM — 199.217.32.2 — link — abuse?
Oh, stop whining.
For those of you who say that this is the worst call ever, you must not have seen the 1990 "fifth-down" fiasco. You also must not have watched the bowl game between Michigan and Nebraska last year. Both are far worse examples of bad officiating. Get a sense of history and perspective before you claim this to be the worst ever. I mean, the officials didn't block the FG kick, right? Or do you blame them for that, too?
College football fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 12:11 PM — 208.253.77.234 — link — abuse?
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Officials will miss calls, even with instant reply. The fact of the matter is officiating is simply a judgment call and the rules state that they must have “undisputable evidence” to over turn a call. They make the call on the field, an official reviews it in the booth, and all of them as a unit do the best that they can do to get it right. Punishing those officials for a missed call is wrong. The replay evidence to them at that time was not undisputable. Beyond that it had very little effect on the game. Face it OU missed many plays throughout that game. OU lost the game on their own not the officials. They should never have suspended them. In my opinion what happens on the field, stays on the field. Once a call is made it stands for all time (wrong or right). Players make mistakes on the field and officials will also. You do not see players or coaches being suspended one game for fumbling the ball, dropping a pass, or calling the wrong play. It normally takes a grievous error in judgment on/off the field for this to happen (i.e. fighting, cheating, drug charges, abusing a player, etc…).
Instant reply is not 100% and expecting it to be is wrong. I have seen calls over turned throughout the past two seasons and I have seen calls upheld because of reply. The officials made the call they thought was right. Nothing that they did warrants a game suspension. All they have done is taken away any credibility these guys had as officials, which will create more problems down the line. Simply put, officials will make bad calls. Just as players review tape of games, so do officials regarding their own performance. Players and coaches learn from their mistakes and so do officials.
Theresa said:
posted on September 19, 2006 1:02 PM — 69.154.136.47 — link — abuse?
To all those that tell us OU fans to stop whining needs to think about how they would react if obviously bad calls could cause you a chance at a championship. I think its all fine and dandy that the NCAA issued us an apology but is that truly enough. I think the officials needed more than just slap on the wrist, and that game should have been over-turned whether there are rules for that or not.
Amanda said:
posted on September 19, 2006 2:23 PM — 70.241.110.50 — link — abuse?
Wow, some harsh comments are being made! I am a HUGE Sooners fan and know that we got robbed but we have to get over the loss and look ahead to our next game.
My husband went to the game and said the Duck fans were nothing but nice. I truely hope that if we get to meet again there will be no hard feelings and we can play a good game against each other.
I am still bothered by the end result but it wasn't the player's fault, lay off the rudeness and be good fans!Hanuman said:
posted on September 19, 2006 2:49 PM — 24.16.76.56 — link — abuse?
Even my wife who hates football and was only waiting for the game to be over so we could go out was outraged by the unfairness of handing a game to the Ducks when they were clearly beaten. Neither of us went to OU or UO and didn't really care who won, except it was so ugly that we wonder how the Ducks can take pride in their 'victory'. What victory?
Evil Benny said:
posted on September 19, 2006 3:00 PM — 71.236.159.138 — link — abuse?
Here is the Ducks new motto: "If you can't beat 'em, cheat 'em."
I just wonder how many Nike stock options were awarded to the refs by Uncle Phil.
This needs to be investigated under the RICO statutes. This smells like a mafia fix.
The whole art of cheating is to not get caught. The Ducks got caught. Stick with the bogus pass interference calls. At least those are somewhat subjective.
Mooka said:
posted on September 19, 2006 3:19 PM — 138.163.0.41 — link — abuse?
I would leave it to the OU program to raise enough hell about this issue like they are the only ones who got screwed, but when I think about it, they are right. With instant replay reviews there is no excuse for calls like that to slide. OU doesn't just make a statement for themselves, they are speaking to the college nation officials. I don't agree they should erase this game off the books though. They can discredit the refs, but should have better sportsmanship to the Oregon Duck program. Who's to say they wouldn't have won anyway if OU would've gotten that call? Hellova effort from the Ducks and congrats.
Let's Get Ducked Up! said:
posted on September 19, 2006 3:26 PM — 146.197.243.16 — link — abuse?
I attended the game this past weekend. First off I would like to say that the Sooner fans were great! Very friendly, enjoyed having them visit. Regarding "the calls" made by the officials.....If the scenario were reversed, I guarantee the Duck fans would be screamin just as loud, if not louder. Do I think the refs made the wrong call? YES! Do I think that call determined the winner of the game? NO! Oklahoma had MANY opportunities to win that game! TWO Oklahoma touchdowns were called back due to penalties. The Oklahoma defense gave up 500 rushing yards and allowed Oregon to score twice in less than 2 mins! Oklahoma had the ball in the red zone 3 times and could only walk away with 9 points. Not to mention that last field goal attempt that could have won the game, but was blocked by Oregon. I just feel it was Oklahoma's game to lose and they did. Yeah, the timing of the bad call sucked, but this was not a 3 minute football game! There were 57 other mins of football played in that game! Give Oregon some credit for playing a great game and making a great comeback!! And no way do I think this game should be wiped from the record books! Bad calls happen. It's part of any SPORT! It sucks when it happens to your team, but the officials are only human. Good luck to the Sooners on the rest of your season. Don't let it affect the rest of your season!
the herb said:
posted on September 19, 2006 3:39 PM — 70.178.251.39 — link — abuse?
As a Quacker Backer for over 20 years, I must attest to the hollowness of this "victory." In the same way that our national reputation is plummeting because of this totally wrong war in Iraq, our Duck reputation is tarnished by this most recent meeting with our neighbors from the dust bowl state.
Winning the battle, losing the war?
We Ducks can beat y'all fair and square, and I definitely think a stronger punishment should be meted out to the refs. Also, can't we use mixed referees for interconference games?
Marshal Hathcoat said:
posted on September 19, 2006 3:48 PM — 150.208.84.10 — link — abuse?
Oklahoma WON,period.
Fan of the Game said:
posted on September 19, 2006 4:01 PM — 69.149.187.194 — link — abuse?
A couple of quick notes here:
Yex, Reedo and College Football Fan....great comments, nicely put. I want someone to name one college team that has never had a bad call go against them and then put up as much of a stink as this game.
Theresa; if you think that OU would have made it to the national championship put down the drugs and step into reality. OU barely beat Univ. Alabama-Birmingham and played horrible against a bad U of W team. So stop kidding yourself when you were looking at a championship this year.
The Herb, put down the herb. How can you compare college football and bad officiating to the war in Iraq. Get a life, you are talking about two different things. You might not like the war put please do not confuse yourself when you talk about college football with the war in Iraq.
Long live the greatest game on the earth.
Sooner Loser said:
posted on September 19, 2006 4:01 PM — 198.91.10.252 — link — abuse?
Great comments by all. I especially appreciate the fact Oklahoma has the class to show up to a Pac-10 school and spread a little "Dirty Football" around so all can see how poor sportsmen they are. Come On - hear me out.... Hmm let's see.... the starting Qb and Center get dismissed from school for taking more money than they earned... Nah - That's not a big deal, eh? Integrity you Sooner fans cry about.. Hey - Here's an idea... Look in the mirror.. Hmm let me see... fouls? Oh yeah.. how many fouls were assessed against the sooners?... I lost track after 10.... Sportsman-Like conduct?.. Hmmmm - Not in Sooner Nation.. How about stepping up to the plate, taking the high road, and learning a bit about true football conduct and the meaning behind good sportsmenship. Better yet... Stay tuned - I'll post a book on Ebay for you to read. Hey - Sooners - YOU LOST THE GAME BY YOURSELVES.... You showed up in the fourth quarter - and I must admit really kicked Oregon's butt - However - what took you so long? Did you need an invitation? Was this a Stoop's strategy to play dirty and sloppy ball until the 4th?.. And then show up? Nice... real good strategy. OR did the crowd get under your skin and kill your confidence a bit? In conclusion - Oklahoma... enjoy the loss, learn from your mistakes, and take the high road with your integrity.
zoo said:
posted on September 19, 2006 4:12 PM — 66.167.129.210 — link — abuse?
considering the Pac-10 has issued both an admittance and an apology that the referees (review man's) action was wrong and that it is "unfortunate it altered the outcome of the game", i'm not sure why so many are still pretending there was not conclusive evidence.
beyond that... with the story changing every five minutes from the mouths of the replay official, what was initially thought to be an incredible lapse in judgement is now taking a turn for downright suspicious.
again, good luck to the ducks for the rest of the season- who until proven otherwise, i don't believe had any role in this blatantly embarrassing situation. but there's still time for humility on your side. if you can grasp that controversial win is difficult to swallow, why can't you grasp a controversial loss is difficult to swallow?
the ducks should be angry too... at the officials for putting them in such an embarrassing situation.
Fight On! said:
posted on September 19, 2006 4:43 PM — 67.100.89.128 — link — abuse?
All you OU fans talking about "ruined championship chances" should be wondering why a championship-calliber team was up by only six points with less than two minutes remaining. Poor officiating or not--I think it was--a championship-calliber team converts when in the red zone.
Doyle said:
posted on September 19, 2006 4:49 PM — 204.155.47.45 — link — abuse?
Amanda is right on about the fans/people of UO very nice, I was their a year ago to see my team Fresno State, but guess what we got the shaft too. Something is going on that is criminal up there and that is my point. UO came to Fresno this year and won fair and square but that is not what happens in Oregon. OU was robbed but that is the way it is when you travel to oregon
Evil Benny said:
posted on September 19, 2006 5:24 PM — 71.236.159.138 — link — abuse?
One last thought. If the Ducks cheat this bad on the field just imagine the cheating that goes on in the classroom. Ethics, shmethics. Just win baby.
BTW: Their uniforms still suck. They are an embarrassment to the State of Oregon and to college football.
MisterBond said:
posted on September 19, 2006 5:25 PM — 69.149.187.194 — link — abuse?
You can ask any OU fan which football game have they lost, They would say none. OU fans will never admit that they lost a football game, they always get cheated.
OU Fan: yes Bob Stoops does own Mack Brown but Texas owns Oklahoma 56-39-5. And it is hard to say that Vince Young is the only reason why Texas won the national championship. Texas having the #2 defense in the nation and the #2 rushing offense in the nation had nothing to do with it? Yes, Vince had a game of his life to help Texas win the championship but I did not see Vince Young on the field when the defense stopped LenDale White on 4th and 1.
OU had a bad call against them...yes. Tell what team has never had a bad call rob a game from them.
Sean said:
posted on September 19, 2006 5:38 PM — 66.177.63.34 — link — abuse?
take pride duck fans in your gift from your hometown officiating.....but dont try and convince the rest of the world that you werent given a gift and that you would have won the game anyway because if OU hadnt gotten the shaft, they would have taken a knee and ran out the clock!
yeager said:
posted on September 19, 2006 6:18 PM — 67.164.107.222 — link — abuse?
WOW -- I have to agree with the gal from Oklahoma who pointed out that the players on either side of the ball are not at fault for the poor calls. They fans on both side are not responsible either.
What is amazing to me is that the Sooners (not players) with their history of football apparently lack the ability to accept a loss. Very sad - I know the ducks will be waiting to play again - unless of course you decide your going to take your ball and go home because you can't stack the deck.
The calls were bad - the Pac 10 agreed they were bad. The officals messed up they are human. Maybe Oklahoma should focus on their game if they are as great as they think they are they should have stomped Oregon into the turf.
The season will tell and now because the sooners are cry babies the whole worold will be watching them - better not loss - oh wait I guess you can but i am sure you will find someone to blame for that as well. What a fine example you are setting.
Quack Quack Quack
Ducks Win said:
posted on September 19, 2006 6:40 PM — 209.249.64.160 — link — abuse?
A couple points:
1) poor officiating happens in every game. You have the right to complain, but to even attempt to throw the game off the record is ridiculous. The university's president only made a fool of himself by his comments. (not even going to bring up the death threats)
2) It was a close call, after watching it a thousand times i do think they made the wrong call, but making the call within 1 minute, i do understand how it would be tough to overturn the decision on the field.
3) This wasn't the final play of the game. The Ducks still had to drive the field, and score.
4)BAD judgement happens in college football all the time. The ducks have had 2 seasons in the last 5 years, where they have lost 1 game, and NOT gone to a BCS game. The ducks have had an ENTIRE SEASON ruined due to poor judgement....
nathan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 7:23 PM — 64.65.182.13 — link — abuse?
Dont blame the ducks coaches or players its not a conspiracy either. Your oklahoma team isnt really that good. and if you so called smart football fans knew anything more of your fans would recognize how we dominated. all your scoring came from are turnovers and yes your widereceiver pushed off of are guy, there was a no call when it should of been called. you guys suck and your university president is a whiny brat. this game has created a major rivalry and the ducks will be on top when its all said and done. your players cheat off the field and wheres your whiny president then?
An OU Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 7:49 PM — 210.146.99.23 — link — abuse?
Not just UO but the PAC10 universities and leadership have an integrity problem. USC and Bush are under investigation as well as the officiating/fixing of this OU/UO game. Is there any integrity on the west coast, or is this just the accepted way of life??? Do you really think Pete Carroll and the USC staff and/or players didn't know about Bush and his family receiving hundresd of thousands of dollars in kickbacks??? Wake up and Smell the Coffee out there..... I hope other conferences take the stand the Big12 and OU is taking to boycott PAC10 games until this integrity mess out west is fixed for good !!
The Mayor said:
posted on September 19, 2006 7:50 PM — 24.23.202.200 — link — abuse?
"... the Oklahoma reaction has become an overreaction. In fact, it has transitioned from righteous indignation to outright insanity."
ESPN 's Pat Forde writes the following:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2594247
This is simliar the MSNBC's sports link I posted here yesterday. Unlike much of what has been written here I am glad to see that there is some sanity left in sports.Also, Mark May of ESPN recognized Oregon QB Dennis Dixon's performance on Saturday as one of the highlights of the weekend in college football.
An OU Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 8:20 PM — 210.146.99.23 — link — abuse?
Ducks Win says; The ducks have had 2 seasons in the last 5 years, where they have lost 1 game, and NOT gone to a BCS game. The ducks have had an ENTIRE SEASON ruined due to poor judgement....
And the PAC10 Commissioner and officials are doing everything they can to make sure UO gets their chance to compete with the big boys.... good grief.
Keith said:
posted on September 19, 2006 8:26 PM — 68.100.215.232 — link — abuse?
Tell Coach to Stoopes to quit his whining. I agree the calls were terrible, but get over it and look some what professional. Calls go both ways, you can't tell me OU hasn't won a game or two in the past five years because of questionable calls. WTFO??? I have watched Wisconsin get ripped by calls not being turned over numerous times since the instant replay was started. Not once did I see or hear of Barry Alvarez complaining or whining to the press about it. Sorry I just had to say this. I really do have a lot of respect for Coach Stoopes and the Oklahoma football program, but threathening to not play an opponent who you had made a home and home deal with doesn't make it easy to not lose some of this respect. Just had to put this out there.
An OU Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 8:39 PM — 210.146.99.23 — link — abuse?
.....I'll never point to a penalty being called or not called as a reason for calling referees incompetent. Having at least 5 on-the-field officials and 1 in the replay booth miss 2 readily visible events that were both reviewable, unlike penalites, is a reason to use the term incompetence if not something worse.
This wasn't just a penalty, it was reviewd, and recovery of the onside kick would have been the last play of the game... GAME OVER ! But those officials just couldn't let that happen,, West Coast Integrity hard at work....An OU Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 8:43 PM — 210.146.99.23 — link — abuse?
Section IX.A of the Pac-10 officiating manual clearly states:
"In instances where a live or fumbled football cannot be easily or readily located, it shall be awarded to the Pac-10 team, or if intra-conference, the team representing the highest potential BCS pay-out for the Pac-10 conference."
Ducks win said:
posted on September 19, 2006 8:55 PM — 209.249.64.160 — link — abuse?
OU Fan Says: And the PAC10 Commissioner and officials are doing everything they can to make sure UO gets their chance to compete with the big boys.... good grief.
give me a #$@%#@ break. You REALLLLY think there's some conspiracy? that the whole pac 10 got together and said, hey... if there happens to be an onside kick that gives the U of O a CHANCE at winning, give it to them?
get real.
An OU Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 8:59 PM — 210.146.99.23 — link — abuse?
This was just classy:
The Truth Shall Set You Free
Posted by The Oregonian Sports Desk September 18, 2006 11:18I'm calling out Duck Nation.
Show some class and admit that you got lucky. Admit that what happened on the onside kick was a complete joke. Admit that deep down inside, you know that the Sooners should have walked away with the victory.
I am completely alarmed that I am receiving emails form Oregon fans attempting to brush away the onside kick debacle by pointing to-.
Oregon made great plays down the stretch.
Oklahoma had some calls go their way earlier in the game.
The game is 60 minutes. One play can't lose it for you.
Oregon has been on the short end of bad calls in the past.
Look. Every game in history has its share of questionable calls. You role with them. That's life. And every team makes plays and doesn't make plays. You role with that.But what happened on the onside kick was a complete joke. It wasn't simply a missed call, or a bad judgement call. It was a complete violation of the rules of football.
Forget whether or not the ball went 10 yards. Forget who touched it first.
Oregon never recovered the football. Oklahoma did.
Say that with me. "Oregon never recovered the football. Oklahoma did."
In fact, #23 for the Sooners had the ball for eight seconds before the Umpire awarded the ball to Oregon. What was the official looking for while he was digging through the pile of players? Because he sure as heck didn't see the football. Yet, he awarded it to Oregon.
Amazing!
Oklahoma had it. Consequently, it should have been Sooners' ball. End of story!
There's no judgement. There's no question. There's no debate.
It was hilarious to watch the video showing Ducks jumping up and down even though none of them had the ball.
I know Oregon fans don't want to admit it. I know it hurts. I know it's easier to look the other way. But I offer these three scenarios as equivalents to what happened Saturday.
Bottom of the ninth, two outs, game tying run on third. Ground ball hit to the shortstop, throw to first. If runner is safe, tie game. If he's out, fielding team wins. Runner is called out. Controversy ensues. Did the runner beat the throw? BUT WAIT! There's more. Video shows that the first baseman never caught the ball. It sailed over his head and into the dugout. Still, fielding team wins.
Sooners QB Paul Thompson throws a last-second touchdown pass to beat Ducks. But the play is under review. Did the receiver land one foot in-bounds? It's close. Officials award TD to Oklahoma. Ducks lose. BUT WAIT! There's more! The receiver never caught the ball. In fact, it bounced off his helmet and into the stands. But replay showed that his foot was in. So, TD Sooners. Ducks lose.
Game 7. NBA Finals. LeBron James shoots jumper with seconds left down 101-100 to the Blazers (LOL). The play is under review. Did James get the shot off before the buzzer? Officials say he did. Cavs win! BUT WAIT! There's more! The ball never went into the basket. But hey, James might have gotten his shot off in time. Cavs win!
Look. I'm not trying to rain on Oregon's parade. Dennis Dixon was brilliant in bringing Oregon back. Oregon fans will be watching those highlights on the big board for the next 100 years. Kenny Wheaton who?
But I can't stand hypocrisy.That said, to me, Oregon was the better team. It outplayed the Sooners in most aspects. But it also committed four turnovers. We could go around and around about that stuff.
But the reality is that at the most critical point of the game, Oklahoma got completely jacked!
If you can't admit that, you're not being honest with yourself.
If the situation had been reversed, Duck Nation would be calling for a congressional hearing. There would be marching in the streets of Eugene, candle light vigils outside of Autzen, a statue depicting the play would have been built in front of the Casanova Center with a plaque reading, "The end of innocence."
I seem to remember Duck Nation and Oregon coach Mike Bellotti voicing displeasure over a call that took away Cameron Colvin's TD last year against USC. The TD would have made the score 31-20 USC with eight minutes left. The Trojans ended up winning 45-13. But Duck Nation still whined about that horrible call. So, don't kick Sooner fan around today when he/she has a right to be upset.
Bottom line: Go ahead and rejoice. Take the win from the officials. Stick it under your coat. Sneak out the back door. Hop into the getaway car. Speed off into the night.
But at least admit that the Sooners were robbed and Oregon is in possession of stolen property.
You'll sleep better at night.
sws said:
posted on September 19, 2006 9:28 PM — 71.36.204.178 — link — abuse?
I'm a Duck fan. The sooners got robbed at the end of the game. They also had some calls or no calls go their way. There were two occasions when the sooners had the play clock run out on them and they were not called. One of those times the no call led directly to a touchdown. Another call that did not seem right was the Jonathn Stewart fumble (or no fumble). That was a huge call. There were bad calls on both sides that effected the outcome of the game. The ducks out-gained the sooners and for the most part, out-played them. The sooners have A.D....he is awesome, but they are pretty slim after that. The sooner defense is pretty poor right now and I think that Oregon is a better team right now. I don't think the call effects the season as much as Stoops says it does...He isn't going that far with that defense.
Cal Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 9:46 PM — 67.188.217.148 — link — abuse?
Good Lord "OU Fan".....
....you have got to be the most over the top whiner of them all. Read post # 82 and go to the ESPN article shown therin. Even ESPN is saying you have gone into the insanity realm. If you want integrity, why don't you address some of the issues in the article, about your past Prez basically saying the football team is more important then the academic institution.... Well considering OU is ranked 112th in the nation academically, maybe you ought to hit the books too...
The Mayor said:
posted on September 19, 2006 9:57 PM — 24.23.202.200 — link — abuse?
Upset with the outcome?
Vent your frustration here...4,300 signatures and counting. Wow!!
http://www.petitiononline.com/OU3327/
I didn't sign it by the way.
Evan Mathiasen said:
posted on September 19, 2006 10:06 PM — 71.217.50.240 — link — abuse?
I think the video shows that an Okla-HOMO player touched the ball first. His arm was within the two arms of the oregon player and the ball glanced off of it. Plus, even is it was a bad call, Okla-HOMO's defense crapped out and lost the game for them. With bad call, which it wasn't, you still must play on and win. How much was Okla-HOMO ahead with 2 minutes left...hmm I think they have only themselves to blame! So go drink your sour milk and lean on your mommies shoulder a little longer.
MisterBond said:
posted on September 19, 2006 11:12 PM — 69.149.187.194 — link — abuse?
I had to quote this one. This comes from the article wriiten by Pat Forde of ESPN and is is quoting OU President Boren from an earlier article before the OU vs. UO insanity play.
"In closing, The Dash will take the obnoxious step of quoting itself, just to help the honorable president Boren. This was from an August column enumerating 23 new rules of conduct for college football fans:
Boren states, 'If the scoreboard says you lost, you lost. That's not going to change. Take an hour to vent postgame, then try to regain your sanity. Do not diminish your quality of life -- and the quality of life of those around you -- by spewing for days about the refs who cheated your team, the flagrant league bias against your team or the complete lack of class displayed by the team that beat your team. Your team l-o-s-t. Try to deal.'"That comes from the same president who now, wants the game thrown out and not count in the record book. I tell you, if the call goes for OU and against it's opponent OU Prez says "YOU L-O-S-T" but if the calls goes against OU and for it's opponent, he wants the game erased......IRONIC isn't it.
OU Fan said:
posted on September 19, 2006 11:19 PM — 24.158.217.193 — link — abuse?
In response to Evan Mathiasen; You must not have watched the entire play. Forget who touched the ball first, if it went 10 yards or not. If you watch the replay, OU came up with the ball!! Who cares about the penalty, OU recovered. End of story, terrible call!!!
Keith said:
posted on September 19, 2006 11:42 PM — 68.100.215.232 — link — abuse?
You need to read some of these comments on the petition; I lose more respect for OU fans with every one of these comments.
One guy states and I quote "The worst example of officiating I have quite possibly seen in my life. Ranks very close to the officiating of the Oklahoma vs. Texas Tech game in the previous season in which a terrible officiating call essentially stole the victory from Oklahoma."
What are the odds that Oklahoma would be involved in the two worst officiated games in the history of football? Suddenly my heart bleeds for OU, yeh right. Not to mention seeing multiple signatures by the same person on a petition for "FAIRNESS". I haven’t had a chance to check and see how many times OU President David Boren signed it, but I am sure being of such high character he has signed more than once. Of course he didn’t use his name all 100+ times, he knows how to be scandalous, he is a one time, big time politician.
I think I will start a petition to the NFL to remove last year's Super Bowl from the record books due to terrible job done by the "SEVEN" officials. I believe this might have been the third worst officaited game in the history of football, unless you OU fans can also lay claim to the third worst. Heck if I were a Seahawks fan, I would never watch another NFL game until they strike Super Bowl XL from the NFL record books.
BTW, does any one notice how many calls that should be over turned in the NFL, where the amount of and quality of equipment used are light years ahead of that used at NCAA games, are not? I think the NFL has to at least start suspending official who blow calls.
The more I read, the sicker you OU fans make me. Fair play you say, we don't even want to start to discuss the scandals of the Switzer era at OU, do we?
Rush said:
posted on September 19, 2006 11:54 PM — 128.221.197.21 — link — abuse?
Duck fans, you don't like us get off the blog. I seriously doubt Ray "riesen" Charles is getting death threats. He is the original whiner, "I can't see the replay screen" Wah Wah.Wah.
Fact: duck butter's, OU came back and scored several times and owned the second half.
Take your sissy football and go on play with the likes of UCLA etc. Oh Yeah, I truly truly truly hope you keep the great officals you have and someday sone you will get screwed as well. When that happens I will clap, I will smile, and oh yeah "get over it".
Keith said:
posted on September 19, 2006 11:59 PM — 68.100.215.232 — link — abuse?
A few more comments from the fairness petition:
"Why is it that OU always gets robbed?"
I know I myself have never seen any other football team get donked by poor referees. Has any one out there seen any one other than OU get robbed? I didn't think so.
Oh, here's a good one, having the game not count is not enough for this guy:
"Game should be given to OU"
Here is a guy who must have watched a lot of games in his 22 years, at least a lot of OU games:
"Something better be done to remedy this because I have never seen more blatantly obvious miscalls in my 22 years of watching football!!!"
Someone tell this guy the OU's last second FG was blocked
"OU won the game against oregon."
I'll go find some other good ones when I have more time to waste. I just love sore losers, they are almost a graceous in winning too
OU Fan said:
posted on September 20, 2006 12:02 AM — 72.161.218.78 — link — abuse?
Okla-HOMO? Now thats unprofessional and unsportsmanlike. Is that what OU fans at the game in Oregon had to deal with up there? I wasn't at the game so I'm curious. Did all of the Okies who were at the game get called Okla-HOMO's by Oregon fans? If so, thats sad. I know that when Oregon played in Norman, the fans were treated with nothing but respect. Also, Evan Mathiasen, is your opinion over say the Pac 10? Because obviously they don't agree with you. Evan Mathiasen, you're pathetic. Go Tulsa! Go Sooners! Beat Texas! Peterson for Heisman!! Whhhooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Duck ticket holder said:
posted on September 20, 2006 12:24 AM — 71.222.33.26 — link — abuse?
Oklahoma fans..
As a long time duck fan, I loved this game... take away the bad calls, and there were some, and Oregon flat out beat you! Your defense gave up 14 points in 72 seconds... let me remind you that's not good!
All I hear is how your season is ruined.... hello jacka**es... it's one loss. If you go 12-1 is your season done?? ( you won't go 12-1, so don't get your hopes up. )
Oregon got F'up when Nebraska went to the BCS title game and Oregon went to the Fiesta Bowl. Oregon should have gone on to play Miami... we would have done at least a little better than Nebraska did, although I think we would have also lost.
So, Oklahoma fans, coaches, state... I have much respect for you and what your teams have done in the past, but it is getting less and less every day... why, what's done is done. Let it go and move on. Show us the class that you all say you have and just let it go.
causal fan said:
posted on September 20, 2006 12:27 AM — 71.166.7.212 — link — abuse?
The replay ref, Gordon Riese, did not say he did not see what happened. There were no mention by the Pac-10 commissioner of any equipment malfunction. If the above are true, Gordon Riese did not make a mistake. He saw the replay that Duck player touch the ball first and choose to not overturn the call on the field.
There were no cause for the field offical to award the ball to Oregon. In fact the action on the field suggests that Sooners should have the ball. So I believe again the field ref just wanted to give the ball to the Ducks regardless of what happened.
I do not understand the logic of those who said this decision did not determine the outcome of the game.
I guess I am not bright enough to see past this call as the reason Oklahoma has a L.An official said:
posted on September 20, 2006 12:29 AM — 68.84.107.162 — link — abuse?
Honestly, you can't possibly expect every official to get every call right every time. As an official myself, I do sometimes miss calls. Simply because the missed call resulted in a change in the outcome of the game doesn't mean the officals should be suspended. They did the best they could, and happened to miss 2 calls (allegedly, as I have not seen them) at the very end of a very close game. If we are going to start suspending officals for mistakes, let's do the same for players. Oklahoma had almost 120 less total offense yardage in the game. It's amazing it was even a one point game. The Sooners went 15 for 34 on passing, LESS THAN 50%!! If the officials got 99% of their calls correct, yet still get suspended for a game, just think of how long we should start suspending players for. Honestly, Coach Stoops should try taking less of a look at the 2 plays that he had no control over, and concentrate on increasing the lead so that a simple official's mistake won't cost them the game next time.
baileybean said:
posted on September 20, 2006 1:27 AM — 64.149.45.38 — link — abuse?
I am a huge OU fan. And yes I do think we got robbed of the game. But the field goals killed us. And the so called strength of this team, the defense, hasn't tackled, hasn't put pressure on the QB and hasn't been able to cover the opposing recievers. So let's move on please. I am so sick of hearing about this already.
UO Alum said:
posted on September 20, 2006 1:30 AM — 4.246.150.93 — link — abuse?
I was at that game on Saturday and it was probably the greatest game I have ever seen played at that stadium! The officiating was terrible on both sides of ball and there were several instances where bad calls went OU's way or OU pass interference was ignored or not seen on the part of the officials. For most of second half, I was wondering when some calls would go Oregon's way. I'm sure that if you asked the Oklahoma players, they would say that they should have played better. A championship caliber team should be able to overcome bad officiating; Oregon did. The OU fans that I met at the game were very nice and good natured about the rivalry. I cannot believe that they would want OU fans being made to look as bad as they are by the foul, immature posts on this site. I want to thank the Oklahoma football players for playing Oregon as hard as they did; and giving me a wonderful memory I will never forget!
The Mayor said:
posted on September 20, 2006 3:43 AM — 24.23.202.200 — link — abuse?
My apologies,
The website I posted earlier is obviously a joke.
George Bush, Keith Jackson, Al Pacino, Mel Gibson, Bhrett Bomar and others have signed it multiple times. It's pretty amusing reading though if you have nothing else to do....
This issue is like a bad haircut, after 3 days, no one notices. I promise this my last entry on the UO/OU travesty.
AgGB said:
posted on September 20, 2006 10:30 AM — 66.76.78.194 — link — abuse?
You know, since the dawning of sports, officiating has been an intregal part of every single game. Also, since the dawning of sports, officiating crews have missed calls that arguably could have cost a team the game. This time, it seems relatively clear that calls were missed and outcome of the game was most likely completely changed.
However, it's still only a mistake made by an officiating crew. For the president of the university to write a letter asking for the game to be nullified is showing poor sportsmanship from the top down. Also, as Bob Stoops rants and raves, he allows this situation to be a distraction to his football team. The leaders of the university and football team should be embarassed of their own actions. They should be teaching their football team that sometimes even the most obvious calls can be missed and sometimes there's nothing you can do about it. You just have to pull yourself up by the boot straps and play that much harder. Instead, they have only shown what many of the Big XII fans have known for some time - that oklahoma is not concerned with good sportsmanship, nor are they concerned about teaching their players and students how to act and deal with situations like this. They are only interested in winning ballgames. If I had gone to oklahoma, I would be ashamed of the way the school has presented itself in the face of the situation. Of course, as I said before, this is nothing new to Big XII fans. As a former student of Texas A&M, I can remember, after defeating OU at Kyle Field, I think that was in 2001. After that game, we all went out to dinner at a local barbeque place to encounter a group of OU fans sitting at the table next to us. We could overhear their conversations with the waitresses and waiters and their complete lack of respect for them and anyone else in College Station. Also, I can remember in Norman one year, after leaving the stadium following a loss, students lining up above us on their way down from the upper levels just to spit on us as we exited the facility.
OU with this incident has only magnified to the entire nation that they are poor losers and even worse poor sportsmen from the top down. I am sure that not all OU fans are the same, however, all the belly aching over the poor officiating only reenforces the stereotype. Pick up, dust yourself off and move on oklahoma.
zoo said:
posted on September 20, 2006 11:19 AM — 66.167.130.243 — link — abuse?
quote by official: "Honestly, you can't possibly expect every official to get every call right every time. As an official myself, I do sometimes miss calls."
you're right. no one expects an official to get every play right. but are you saying even if you had the equipment available to review and correct the call, you would still get it wrong? if so, perhaps this crew would like to have you. if the play had not been reviewed, this would be a none topic right now. however, the play was reviewed- so the fallible officials had every opportunity to correct the call if it needed to be corrected. the replays show it needed correction. dan fouts- oregon loyalist could see it needed correction. the pac-10 commissioner could see it needed correction. even belotti agrees. "The whole idea is to get it right," Bellotti said. "Instant replay was designed to remedy any questions about (missed calls). It did not, in this case, get it right."
though i understand why you'd rather excuse this than just call a spade a spade... i hope in time you can just take a breath and accept ... it's ok to tell the truth even when it makes you sad.
it's embarrassing enough that the fans of the shafted team are whining and moaning, but man... what's the deal with the winning team crying and making up excuses? weak sauce. the whole lot of you. probably me too. GAH!
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on September 20, 2006 11:42 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
zoo, part of the problem is the replay official didn't have the equipment available to properly review the play. He only had a single view on a 14" screen, that didn't even have access to slo-motion. The Pac-10 needs to make sure in the future that their employees have the proper equipment to do their job.
The teams involved should quit crying about the calls, because all games have blown calls. If OU had played a better game then one blown call wouldn't matter.
MR.DUCK said:
posted on September 20, 2006 11:45 AM — 140.198.72.137 — link — abuse?
LISTEN UP SOONERS.....WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PUSH OFF IN THE 3RD THAT RESULTED IN A TD?????
Any thoughts on that?
Now I know that many of you have as many teeth as you do an IQ score, however clearly you are just upset because your team couldn't handle the DUCKS!
You were handled the whole game. And even if we got the onside kick in a way that was pleasing to you....why did you let us score?pattyb:) said:
posted on September 20, 2006 12:55 PM — 70.233.155.132 — link — abuse?
all of this is really hard for me to grasp.....alot of you are telling us sooner fans to "stop whining" and "get over it" and "not everyhting is fair". let us have our chance to express how we feel......be upset if we like.....and just vent!.......most likely nothing else will be done to the oficials or even the "final" outcome of the game, but something should be done......just like david boren asked, at the very least, let this game not even count for either team as a win/loss......if nothing else is done, this will just prove peoples points about "its who you know, so you can get ahead", and "whoever has the most money....wins". its very sad see that this happens all the time. many of you were talking about specific other games that this has happened in, adn nothing is EVER done!
i think everyone should sit back and relax and just enjoy football......all the players play cause they want to, not because they were told to or they drew choices from a hat.....they WANT to play, but if crap continues like this......... the fun, blood pumping adreniline rush, excitement, passion, and more will be taken away! it wont even be about determination and skill anymore, theyll just depend on cheating to make it all be good!
just because football involves politics, that doesnt mean it IS politics........its still a game!!!!!!!
zoo said:
posted on September 20, 2006 12:59 PM — 66.167.130.243 — link — abuse?
tampa: that's part of the problem. that story has changed... from "ample views" to "one view on a teeny wheeny t.v."... ample views, by the way, being stated by the pac -10 commissioner. i understand he has since altered his statement since the replay official offered up this reasoning. i'll even give them both the benefit of the doubt, and pretend at least one of them has not been caught in a lie. so now the question is, why did he have only one view? i'm of the school of thought, if you can offer up an excuse, then be willing to explain the reasoning. because the Pac-10 conference site disputes this happening just by it's rules of using instant replay. http://www.pac-10.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080805aac.html
"Source: All reviewable video will come direct from the televised production of the game. In the event the game is not being televised on a live or delayed basis, the video will come from the in-house video board production.
(are we to believe ABC didn't have but one angle? i'm betting ABC would argue they had plenty.)
Replay Personnel: Four people will make up the instant replay team - the Replay Official, who will make all decisions regarding replay; the Communicator, who will assist the Replay Official in obtaining the video replays and with communication; the Replay Technician, who will be responsible for operating and maintaining the replay equipment and a Sideline Assistant, who will assist the referee with communicating with the Replay Official. All four individuals will be trained and paid by the Pac-10. The Replay Officials and Communicators will be two-man teams of former officials who will work together throughout the season and will be assigned by Pac-10 Coordinator of Football Officiating, Verle Sorgen. The Replay Technicians and Sideline Assistants will be assigned by each member institution and approved by the Conference office.
Equipment: The Pac-10 will utilize a TiVo-based system developed by XOS Technology, one of the leading video technology companies in the nation.(if this is a requirement... what's the deal with not having the proper equipment.)
YES! pac 10 needs to make sure this doesn't happen again, (as do all of the conferences) but according to this, it should have never happened in the first place.
i can't believe people don't get why this is a problem. forget oklahoma. forget oregon. this is so much bigger than any single game.
Dante said:
posted on September 20, 2006 1:50 PM — 71.202.227.7 — link — abuse?
I am born and raised in Oregon, though naturally, I prefer my state California and my football, Duck al la Green. As a diehard Oregon Alum, I think the classy, graceful thing is for Oklahoma University officials (and fans) to say that even though the calls were wrong (including a fumble earlier that Oregon lost out on), human error, even in the age of Instant Replay, teaches us to accept the things we can't change and the courage to change that which we can.
The classy, graceful thing for the Unversity of Oregon officials (and Duck fans everywhere) is to concede the game was tainted, accept the jubilation as qualified and strike the game from Oregon's record, e.g., no "W" for Oregon and n "L" for Oklahoma. Fortunately, for both teams the game was non-conference and then it would have mattered much more.
But most unfortunately, there isn't enough wisdom on either side for any of this to happen.
Finally, I remind all of you that tomorrow it will be sunny in both Norman and Eugene and life will go on. So should you!PS: To even matters in the future, which is all we have and all that counts, if I were Coach Belotti, I would spot the Sooner's 7 points the next time the two teams meet, which hopefuly will be at the end of this season.
AgGB said:
posted on September 20, 2006 2:17 PM — 66.76.78.194 — link — abuse?
Back in the day, when the Oilers were still in Houston, I was the biggest Oilers' fan in history probably. When they were in the playoffs in the early 1990s they met up with the Buffalo Bills. Don Bibbee (sp?) was a wide receiver for the Bills. I'm sure some of you probably remember the game. The Oilers had a huge lead going into the third quarter and the Bills mounted the biggest comeback in NFL playoff history up until that point (the record probably still stands, but I havent checked the records). The final touchdown scored by the Bills to give them the lead and ultimately the win was scored on a passing play in which Don Bibbee ran out of bounds during his route. He then caught the pass for a touchdown and the Bills won the game, knocking the Oilers out of the playoffs.
I was pi$$ed, but I realized that it should have never come down to that play. The Oilers should have not allowed the game to have been that close in the first place. Though it was a poor (non)call, it was a touchdown, and the Oilers lost the game. That game went down in history and was never voided because of the bad call. No presidents wrote any letters and no officials were suspended. It's just something that happens in ballgames. Vent all you want...I understand that. But when the president of the school results to asking that the games be stricken from the books, that's taking it a little too far. Just get ready for the next game and make yourself better in practice so that bad officiating will not hold you back. You have to teach your students, fans, players, coaching staff, etc. that they should be gracious winners and gracious losers, no matter the outcome of the game. When you start making excuses, even if you're right, you taint the whole game. I do agree, however, with the other suggestions Bowen made to the NCAA, but I believe that the letter should have come from the OU athletic director. It should never be requested from anyone that a game be nullified for a bad call. Suspend the officiating crew: great. Review the on-field game review process: ok. Reconcider the process the PAC 10 uses for selection of officials: good idea. Strike the game from the records: rediculous.
AgGB said:
posted on September 20, 2006 3:04 PM — 66.76.78.194 — link — abuse?
"...the next time the two teams meet, which hopefuly will be at the end of this season."
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...if both are eligible for bowl games, let's see OU vs. UO II at a neutral site with, say, SEC officials.
Boomer Sooner said:
posted on September 20, 2006 3:41 PM — 132.189.76.18 — link — abuse?
The fact that the The Pac 10 conference insists that their referees officiate home non-conference games, contrary to the practice elsewhere, where the visiting team's conference supplies the referees. A sceptic might ask, "Is that a part of the "West Coast" offense"?
A study some years ago, I think it was at Princeton University, showed that students of two opposing universities, called to referee videos of a football game between their respective universities, in fact each called disputed plays 2/3 in favor of THEIR own favored team, even though they had sworn to call the game in an unbiased manner. The students did not favor their own college intentionally, but afterwards claimed subjectively that they had called the plays as they saw them, i.e. fairly and impartially, which of course was not the case when objectively viewed.
Similarly, an Oregon official officiating an Oregon game is going to be no different in the subliminal effects of allegiance to his State than students to their universities.
One literally does not see what one does not want to see. In the present case, the referees presumably did not make these erroneous calls intentionally. Rather it was surely the subliminal effect of allegiance at work.The amazing thing is that not only was the replay incorrectly called by the referees - the replay clearly shows that an Oregon player touched the ball before it went 10 yards on the onside kick - but it was not Oregon but an Oklahoma player who actually recovered the ball, and yet, the refs awarded the ball to Oregon
But of course, Oregon can still laugh all the way to the bank with that kind of an ineffectual penalty, which accomplishes nothing. No one should be penalized, rather, incorrect practices have to be revised and incorrect results have to be voided. The required solutions are clear.
Boomer Sooner
Another Duck Fan said:
posted on September 20, 2006 8:34 PM — 24.21.142.19 — link — abuse?
Yes, the call was bad. But on one seems to be bringing up the idiotic 'turnover' call that led to a Sooner TD, nor the personal foul call in the 1st quarter that cost UO 15 yards. Another one of those "inconclusive video evidence" excuses. Was it a recompense for that lack of judgement? Perhaps. Every football team out there has had calls go against them. But it sure does make all the sports networks happy that they have something controversial to talk about for a week or two!
Sean said:
posted on September 21, 2006 11:56 AM — 12.129.97.254 — link — abuse?
in resonse to msg. 112 could not handle the ducks....you're kidding right? if we were so out-manned why did it take a bad call to beat OU by ONE point. as for you IQ to teeth ratio comment, isn't oregon the meth capital of the United States?
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on September 21, 2006 12:28 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Oklahoma fans, can you explain what the difference between this Oregon/Oklahoma game and the Texas Tech/Oklahoma basketball game?
from espn "Knight called for Oklahoma to forfeit its basketball game with Tech on Jan. 20, 2003, when the Sooners won 69-64 in overtime at Norman after two clock controversies in the final seconds of regulation. Video replay later showed the game clock started late after OU in-bounded the ball on the game-tying drive."
Is there a reason that you are not willing to forfeit a game that you won due to a blown call by officials, but you want Oregon to forfeit a game that you lost due to a blown call by officials?!?
Per Bob Knight "Now I guess the 'duck' is swimming in the other pond." Looks like karma smacked Oklahoma on this one. You were given a basketball win and a football loss.
Hopefully your program will have quit crying by the time that the Hurricanes get to face you next year, it should be a great game.
zoo said:
posted on September 21, 2006 12:52 PM — 66.167.128.149 — link — abuse?
well, for one... no one has called for oregon to forfeit. only to have the game stricken- meaning oregon would not be saddled with a loss as oklahoma has been.
secondly, for whatever reason, people continue to think this is a "bad call" issue. it is not a bad call issue. it is "the tool being used to correct bad calls" issue.
i've said it before, and i'll say it again... had that call been made on the field, and stayed on the field we (oklahoma fans) would have ranted about it, but it would not have recieved the national attention it has, nor would it have lingered so long and so heavily in our own minds. when it left the field and went to the booth (where the opportunity to correct the play was also negated) it became an integrity issue.
for whatever reason everyone is willing to turn a blind eye because "everyone get's bad calls". i will say again if it were not so pervasively wrong, (not on the field, but in the booth intended to correct such plays) the pac-10 would not have apologized and admitted it changed the outcome of the game.
forget oklahoma. forget oregon. this is an officiating issue and if it brings forth change (of any type) then it will help protect oklahoma, texas, usc, notre dame, miami, and yes... even oregon from experiencing it on the same level.
why is this so difficult to "remove the teams" and look at the instance? that's where i'm confused.
AgGB said:
posted on September 21, 2006 4:51 PM — 66.76.78.194 — link — abuse?
ok...remove the teams. remove the replays. it's a bad call. they missed it. the replay just caused a big freaking ordeal that otherwise wouldnt be that big of a deal.
people arent just non-sympathetic because it's the sooners. people are not sympathetic because everyone has lost games due to bad calls. it's just never been such a big deal until the instant replay is put in. now do you really think the officiating crew would intentionally make a bad call at a crucial point in the game so that the PAC 10 team would win? do you really think they'd risk their jobs and livelihoods just so the oregon ducks could win a football game? i seriously doubt that. to believe that you have to believe that they had some sort of a deal with the oregon football program to do so. i mean really...come on now. they blew a call. it's unfortunate but it's football.
zoo said:
posted on September 21, 2006 5:41 PM — 66.167.128.149 — link — abuse?
so Ag, if we're not going to use the replay system as it is intended, then why waste all the game time on 'em?
(i'd actually be pretty happy if it was gotten rid of altogether personally. and i say that even realizing there would be no debate about the OU/UO game now if we didn't have it.)
with that being said, there's a whole lot of college football left to enjoy. best of luck to everyone, and BOOMER SOONER!
posted on September 22, 2006 9:21 PM — link — abuse?
This just in - one of the 'suspended' refs is working the USC-Arizona game this weekend. I kid you not.
jason said:
posted on September 29, 2006 3:49 PM — 68.185.2.149 — link — abuse?
I think that whomever thinks the refs cheated are fooling themselves. Do you think that someone would purposely jeopardize their career just so that a team in the conference that employs them can beat some other team from elsewhere? Are you kidding? I think ANY ref is really, when it comes down to it, is trying to do the best job he absolutely can do. I mean, really, c'mon...to give an onside kick to a team that was still behind in an early season non-conference game that really is going to mean nothing in terms of the national landscape?
Colorado Dan said:
posted on September 30, 2006 9:11 PM — 69.92.231.44 — link — abuse?
The fact one of the referees has been reinstated just proves how corrupt the Patsy 10 happens to be. At best they are incompetent and at worst corrupt. The Patsy 10 is the only conference that refuses to allow an exchange of referers in games. So if a Patsy 10 team gpes to play a Big 10 team it is Patsy 10 officials in the repla booth. But is a Big 10 team play a Patsy 10 team then it is Patsy 10 refs on the field and in the replay booth. One has to wonder why? Could it be they need the "break".
Duck Fan said:
posted on October 7, 2006 5:39 PM — 71.56.155.145 — link — abuse?
There is so much smack talk here! I love it.
OU, consider the whole game except the bad calls which I agree were bad calls. You were outplayed! Sometimes you get a good break and sometimes you don't. We have been the victims of poor calls too. I read someones comment saying we should be ashamed? HA! Play better defense, stop Dixon from throwing his way into 8th place for passing, just don't whine anymore. After we beat CAL tonight, we will be top ten and OU is losing to the Longhorns right now!
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Kevin Donahue said:
posted on September 18, 2006 6:42 PM — link — abuse?I wonder what those that called the Sooner fans "whiners" will have to say now....