August 24, 2007
OU fan draws first blood in Red River Rivalry
This year's Texas - OU rivalry is off to a bloody start, thanks in part to Oklahoma Sooners football fan Allen Michael Beckett, 53, of Oklahoma City.
Beckett is charged with aggravated assault and battery for causing "extensive damage to another man's scrotum".
It all started when Beckett began harrassing Texas Longhorns fan Brian Thomas for wearing a UT shirt into Henry Hudson's Pub.
Thomas said Beckett, whom he had never met, called him "everything under the sun" for wearing a Longhorns T-shirt into the bar.He said he and his friend sat at a table in the corner and tried to ignore the other man, but other man -- who apparently is a University of Oklahoma fan -- kept screaming at him.
Thomas said he decided he'd had enough after about 20 minutes of Beckett's abuse so he went to the bar to pay his tab. When he turned around, he said Beckett grabbed his crotch and refused to let go.
Thomas hit the other man several times before several bar patrons intervened, but Thomas said Beckett didn't let go until Thomas heard his scrotum tear and blood ran down his leg.
Thomas required 60 stitches to repair his torn scrotum. No word yet on if he'll be able to sit down and enjoy the Red River Rivalry this October.
Hat Tip: Orson @ EDSBS
Comments:
burty said:
posted on August 24, 2007 10:39 AM — 66.62.121.9 — link — abuse?
what a suprise, an okie groping a horn. the only real suprise is that there was anything to grope on the horn.
the big smell... err...big 12 is at best, the fourth best conference. try scheduling a some real teams now and then.Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 24, 2007 10:55 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
This is not what being a college football fan is about. I'm shock first of all by the age of this man and second as an OU fan. I, Lennie Collins, DO NOT APPROVE of this behavior. You can cheer and talk thrash all you want but you should never put your hands on NO ONE. This guy should get a lot of prison time for this! I know ut fans are going to say all OU fans are like this but I can only speak for myself. I have had ut fans want to fight me when OU had that 5 game win streak. I just told them would you fight for what is right like you would for ut? They thought about it and the situation was resolved. It is entertainment that is all college football is, ENTERTAINMENT! My heart and prayers goes out to the victim!
OU Fan said:
posted on August 24, 2007 11:30 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
I just hope people do not start to stereotype Oklahoma fans and compare us all to this guy Beckett, because all of us OU fans do not act or commit acts of violence such as this guy did. And what is crazy is the last time that I was home visiting my family which was in Novemeber of 2006 in Midwest City, OK(suburb to Oklahoma City,) I went to the exact same Henry Hudsons Pub where this incident took place. Everyone enjoy your weekend and remember, one more week until all of the excitement starts. BOOMER SOONER!!
HUSKER DENNIS said:
posted on August 24, 2007 3:15 PM — 207.224.109.136 — link — abuse?
I Have to imigane that wearing a horns T-shirt into a, i'M ASSUMING IS A OLKAHOMA BAR, IS LIKE WAVING A RED FLAG IN FRONT OF A BULL, not too smart. looks like the season can't start too soon.GO BIG RED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David said:
posted on August 24, 2007 4:38 PM — 70.112.186.207 — link — abuse?
Hey, I should get credit for this one. I linked to it in one of the other threads.
On the subject though, I can't wait to see how OU-Ron or any of the land theives try to defend this.
Bunch of inbred trailer trash rednecks...
Brian Thomas will never have to buy a single beer if he shows up to the State Fair in October though.
Mr. McAteer said:
posted on August 24, 2007 5:49 PM — 71.206.247.138 — link — abuse?
now this is by far the most ridiculos thing i have ever heard of
im actually appalled at this kind of behavior displayed by an oklahoma fan(its usually the other way around with Texas, steers and queers LOL)
im a WVU fan and we have rivalries with V.Tech, Maryland and Pitt which this season is the 100th game of the series, but i never heard of their fans or ours doing something so grotesque and bizzare
im glad im not a sooner, enough has already happened to their team in the last year or 2
Bobby said:
posted on August 24, 2007 5:54 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
I've always said that ou and aTm fans were some of the most over-the-top semi-psychotic people out in the sports world and this just backs it up. I can understand getting drunk getting a little fired up and throwing a punch but grabbing a dude by the bag and then tearing..that's just well reference above.
OU-Ron said:
posted on August 25, 2007 10:34 AM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse?
GatorMatt and Cain---Dumb remark, you mean to tell me if one of your fans does something stupid that it puts you in the same class as he.
Gumby, I doubt it was your tongue that pierced your cheek, if the truth was known, this guy is probably your room mate in Stillwater.
DAVID, There is no hope for you, why should I or any other OU fan have to defend what some jerk does, just because it happened in Oklahoma ???. How many thousands of stupid things happen in that s_ _t hole you call home. You’re a fkn jerk, should I put all the rest of the Texas fans in that same class, I don’t think so.
Dean in Austin said:
posted on August 25, 2007 11:13 AM — 74.192.154.11 — link — abuse?
I grew up in Texas. But because of family I did live in Norman and OKC area for a lot of years. I have even been in the same Hudson's bar. I live in Austin now. To be fair, there are many good OU fans and good people in Oklahoma. What this Beckett did is typical of a deranged man and not a true fan. But just to show you the audacity of OU alumni, before the TEXAS-OU game a couple of years ago they held an OU pep rally at the north end of Memorial Stadium on the UT campus in Austin. They got away with it because it was on public property. It was in the local newspaper but otherwise not publicized not even on TV. If UT alumni had done that on the OU campus, the riot police, SWAT team and National Guard would have to be called in to save lives. Oklahoma is a economically deprived state so their alumni come to Texas for jobs. But you're not likely to find any UT alumni living in OK.
Tomcat said:
posted on August 25, 2007 1:03 PM — 70.249.41.135 — link — abuse?
War Eagle Atl Tryed to respond last night and discovered technical difficulties.Na I'm not scared of folks like Lennie, you know zealous keyboard warriors with little or no reason for posting other than to show their -ss to the world of CFB fans.
Hookem-HornsLennie Collins said:
posted on August 25, 2007 1:16 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Tomcat (#23 Comment) it sounds like you are talkin' about yourself! I am suprised you did not say somethin' about texas. Examine your comments before you talk about someone else! You should banned yourself you over zealous...I ain't gone say it!
Gatorader said:
posted on August 25, 2007 1:51 PM — 64.252.20.160 — link — abuse?
# 18, I don't agree at all. If you wear your colors into a rivals bar, you can get razzed, yelled at, jeered at, even getting beer thrown on you isn't that bad. Getting a beatdown is just wrong though.... escpecially when it requires 60 stiches in the teste area.
I have been to FSU several times in gator gear, and the most I've ever gotten was drunk. I might be a bit more discreet in Ohio these days though...
OU Fan said:
posted on August 25, 2007 4:42 PM — 84.146.50.246 — link — abuse?
Of course this always seems to happen-An incident takes place involving an Oklahoma player or fan, the media exploits the incident, and then fans from all over point fingers and say that "all OU fans are like this." Thats ridiculous. David post 19, I bet money you wouldn't call any of the OU players or in that matter several Okies I know a "Bunch of inbred trailer trash rednecks" to their faces. Grow up. You're typical Texas fan. And to memeber of Fanblogs, people commit acts of violence in every state. Not just Oklahoma. Hell, I know for certain Oklahoma does not have the highest crime rate in any crime statistical category. I understand this incident just allows room for shit talkers to enjoy themselves, but cmon. There are people like this in every state. BOOMER SOONER!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 25, 2007 5:47 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey OU Fan...Do not let it get to you. When an incident involves one of these so called OU haters team or players we will see and read them saying it does not represent their fans or players. Being an OU fan in Austin, Texas that's ALL I heard since 1995 about OU and the problems they had with Barry Switzer. I rarely hear those statements present day with all the ut players getting arrested (BOOK 'em Horns). ut fans are quick to say it's not the coaches' fault or it doesn't represent the other players. It is sad when people can't judge one single person but it is easier to judge a group I guess! What this man did was WRONG & INEXCUSABLE! He should get the LONGEST SENTENCE allowed punishable by this crime! I do not and will not approve of violence in any form when it comes to team spirit. A person should be able to wear his or her team gear any place, PERIOD with anyone putting their hands on them! I have had ut fans pick fights with me BUT I do not think all ut fans are like that. Two years ago my son was verbally attack by a ut fan (I was not with him of course) my ex-wife said the man did not stop until he saw my boy who was 5 years old at the time cry. He stop because my ex-wife and a bystander told him to cool it. What do ut fans got to say about that? Do I think all ut fans verbally attack small children? NO, just that fool!
Zac said:
posted on August 25, 2007 10:30 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Bottom line: It was one stupid drunk acting out of line. No way does he represent true Oklahoma fandom. He is the exception, not the rule, and he will likely get what's coming to him. When he does, I'm certain his cell mate will show him what to do when he has a sack in hand. Hmmm, that almost sounds like the old adage: A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. How true.
posted on August 26, 2007 8:09 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue said:
Maybe some "Sack 'Em Sooners" shirts would be appropriate.
Bobby said:
posted on August 26, 2007 8:28 AM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
Lennie I strongly disagree with #34. I too live in Austin and have read all the news articles, watched it on the news, listened to the radio and to say that UT fans have just ignored the problems is just not true. Mack Brown was continually called out, and he suspended players and one is gone. And the other players from last year are gone as well...not by Macks doing no doubt. Coaches can't hold their hands and they can't do background searches on them before they come. This goes for all schools, it does seem though the more a team has success the more you hear..aka, ou, Miami, UT, USC...anyways some guy heckling your five year old is almost as absurd as grabbing someone by the nads.
Chuck Moon said:
posted on August 26, 2007 10:14 AM — 72.198.34.121 — link — abuse?
I think everyone here is missing the point entirely. This is not about sports. Oh, it might have started out with that as a point of contact but lets face it the guy is a Federal Auditor. Now, if that doesn't mean he works for the IRS it certainly puts him in the same arena and those guys are always trying to rip your nuts out. It's part of their very nature and probably a job requirement. He was just doing what comes natural.
Patratt said:
posted on August 26, 2007 3:45 PM — 68.97.80.152 — link — abuse?
This story is absolutely horrible. What kind of 53 yr old man behaves this way? I hope they throw the book at this animal! Unfortunately, it appears that this thing will only get worse. I think this is truly an outwardly expression of how most of these OU fans are up here in Oklahoma. I am not saying they are all this way, but they really do become crazy if you live here and you don't base your whole existence on an OU win. You would not believe how many upside-down longhorns stickers there are on these people's vehicles in OKC. What is up with that? Go to Austin and you will not see as many rightside up horns on the cars down there. Why? Because THEY HAVE MORE GOING ON WITH THEIR LIVES THAN BASING IT ON A COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAM! Sheesh! OU fans have really supported The University of Texas from the sales of these stickers alone. Very ironic. LOL! It appears that they really just don't have anything else to believe in or support up here and it has really turned into some sort of crazy form of idolatry when it comes to their precious sooners. Even though I am from Texas, I have chosen to live here in Oklahoma and really like it here. The majority of the people here are outwardly friendly and are wonderfully kind people as a whole. But 80% of these OU fans truly are "fanatical" and it is what they base their happiness on. It is very scary how these people express themselves. Just watch this blog and you will see how they will come out of the woodwork and attack me because of my opinion and observations about their behavior. Anyone wanna start a Brian Thomas fund and help this guy out?
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 26, 2007 4:56 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby I cannot agree or agree with you on your comment. I guess Patratt knows EVERYONE and how they think in Oklahoma City! First Bobby...Last year when those 2 Oklahoma players got kicked off the team for receiving that money from that car dealership, that is all the News Channels in Austin, some ut fans and 1300 the zone talked about for at least 2 weeks. I would have and I am sure most people who have commented negatively would have done the same thing! Who would not work 2 or 3 hours for thousands of dollars. Of course it GOTS to be legal! Remember they did not do anything illegal unless taxes were not takin' out! Now that a few ut players are showing their criminal tendecies the news get mentioned once or twice and that's it! Second Patratt...I live here in Austin and I can say I see it from the other side of the state line! There are a good percentage of ut fans that act the same way you are calling it from Oklahoma City! I see those ut logo stickers a lot. I'd say out of 10 cars I see...about 6 will have them on it! It is nothin' wrong with it. The jokes about Sooners & AGGIES? They are dumb..longhorns smart! I am considered an "alien" cause I have not "converted" to an ut fan or cheer for 'em! Let me comment on the blog here now. NO ONE, including me, does not know anything about this man except what he did, his name, and where this act happened. We do not know if he had social or mental problems. If you are going to base it on just that he was just an OU fan...then lets throw gender, race, age bracket, financial brackett, and so forth into the equation. What that man did was wrong, PERIOD! I am not going to make jokes and/or justify it! First of all you should be able to cheer for whatever team you want and/or wear whatever team gear you want and/or wear it wherever you want without ANYONE commiting assualt on you! Second...I am shocked at some of these responses that are saying all if not a great percentage of Oklahomans and/or Sonners fans are like this. Some of the responses especially by Dean in Austin. I don't know where he is getting that from. I am sure there are ut graduates living in Oklahoma. If you gone hate them all then Darrell Royal gots to be on the list. He not only graduated from but played football for OU. YES, he was a SOONER for all you ut fans in denial! Again I have had some ut fans wanting to fight me because of JUST WEARING a OU shirt! Do I think all ut fans are like that...NO, JUST THOSE FOOLS! Third...why are we all fighting are commenting negatively over what team someone likes or dislikes? I do not think the universities are paying us to wear their gear! I think GOD that I have been to a lot of places in the world. I have discovered that there is good and bad in all genders, races, financial backgrounds, geographicial locations, and so on. I try to judge people one by one not as a group. I will say it right here and right now...Bobby, Gatorstud, Tomcat, Whoever...I can talk all the junk I want but you should not commit an act of violence against me or anyone else. This is not just a one way street...You all should be able to talk all the junk you want to me without me or anyone else committing an act of violence towards you. I talk junk but I know my limits. Children are a sure no! I will say it here , if you have to fight over sports something is wrong with YOU, PERIOD! Let's enjoy this game together as fans of the game. Brian Thomas should file a civil lawsuit as well against Mike Beckett. Hit him back walletwise and legally! I want you all to know the majority of my friends are ut fans. They were there when I had medical and social hardships. Did they do it because they were ut fans? No I don't think so! I believed they did it because they know what is more important in life...LOVE not what fan you are or aren't!
OU Fan said:
posted on August 26, 2007 6:20 PM — 84.146.45.220 — link — abuse?
Lennie Collins post 48, I just want to say you are doing an outstanding job in defending us Sooners' fan against all these jackasses. What people fail to realize is that there are people like this in every state. But, I'm done going down that road. But, I will for starters say that I have been to several bars and clubs throughout the Oklahoma City metro area. I have seen people throughout these bars and clubs wearing Texas Longhorn Tees, the white Texas Nike jersey, and the ugly burnt orange Texas Nike jersey. And everyone time I have been in those bars or clubs with people wearing Texas gear, no fights ocurred due to a person wearing Texas gear. The reason no fights have ocurred due to a person wearing Texas gear is because no one up here in OKC really gives a damn. Yeah, you might get a bone head here and there who might smart off and run their mouth, but I have NEVER witnessed a fight because of someone wearing Texas gear. Now, this Beckett guy is a rare ocassion, because I promise this disgusting sh#t doesn't happen all the time. And if people want to really get technical, I lived in Alabama for a short period of my life. Hatred like this is everywhere, and I have wintessed it first hand. But unfortunately, some sick sh$t happens involving an OU fan and everyone gets off. And unfortunately, this whole article had to be posted on this website as some bait for discussion................ BOOMER SOONER!!
Bobby said:
posted on August 26, 2007 9:45 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Lennie well said man. Lennie I ask you this though. Could ou fans seem more for lack of better terms a little more hard core? Because of Oklahoma you know small state...not alot to do or cheer for. They have no professional teams you follow me. I came from a town called San Angelo out in west Texas. Football was a big deal but not like the little towms surrounding and the further west you went the more intense football fans were. It just seems the smaller or maybe even financially lacking the more extreme. Like football is all it has going for it. Not saying that for all of Oklahoma...I've been there spent plenty of time in Tulsa and my little sister graduated from Jenks. Anyways interested in your thoughts.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 26, 2007 11:47 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby I cannot answer that question. I only spent 2 months in Oklahoma in 1993. I was stationed in Fort Sill for ARMY basic training. I can say for sure my niece used to live in Oakland, California. She told me that Raiders fans, not all of them of course, will fight fans of the opposing teams WIN OR LOSE. That's a NFL team there and some of the fans get violent??? Again fellow fans it comes down to choices. Why are not people commenting on the probable OU fans that had the courage to stop the fight? It could have gotten a lot worse! Could the arresting officers, doctor, nurse(s), lawyer, and judge be possible OU fans? AHHHHHHH! It is also opinions as well. Bobby I used to work with a friend who was from San Angelo, he is of European descent. He told me if I lived in San Angelo I would get lynched because of my race. Another one of my friends who is African American said that they were some of the nicest people he lived around. This is just another example of preceptions and opinions. One focused on the bad, the other focused on the good. It's good to have serious & friendly discussions instead of all this name calling. I will tell you all right here, right now if OU does not win the National Title... I still got to work, deal with a mean ex-wife, raise a wonderful 6 year old son GOD as blessed me with, & deal with the pressures of everyday life. If they win can anyone one of you tell me it will get easier? Thats what I want to show you my fellow college football fans that it's only ENTERTAINMENT! Take care and remember to treat others how you would like them to treat YOU!
cock'n'fire south carolina 101 said:
posted on August 27, 2007 1:06 AM — 96.10.98.113 — link — abuse?
ok guys i dont think this blog should have been posted...the poor guy is probly embarrased and doesnt want the whole world to be talking about his balls ripping open, well maybe not the world but everybody with a computer
OU Fan said:
posted on August 27, 2007 3:23 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
Bobby, yes Oklahoma is a small state in population and yes a vast majority of OKIES enjoy college football. But hey, that doesn't bother me. I love football and a small state population only means less traffic and less towns and cities being overcrowded. I do want to say that pretty soon as we all know, the NBA is destined to be in Oklahoma City. But because I am stationed in awesome Germany, I have never had the chance to attend a Hornets game while they were playing at OKC's Ford Center for those 2 seasons after Hurricane Katrina struck. For one, tickets were extremely hard to come by and for two, being away for so long only makes you want to enjoy as much family time as possible, you know what I'm saying? But that will all change when the NBA lands in OKC permanently, and you can bet your a$$ off that I'll be attending as many games as possible. From the way its looking, I'll be cheering for the Sonics. OOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
OU-Ron said:
posted on August 27, 2007 10:11 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
@59 OU Fan, the Hornets games were lots of fun, usually had a packed house, the company I work for gets several season tickets, when the Sonics get to town and you get back home, post me and I will make sure you a ticket.
GO SOONERS
Bobby said:
posted on August 27, 2007 12:28 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Cool I'm glad you guys were able to understand where I was coming from. What I was really trying to get at was that people tend to look at a team as an extension of themselves in a way. If your from OK then OU kinda represents you. Same as if your from TX maybe different teams but no less from where your from. And so a slam on the team can get real personal sometimes and I can understand how things get outta hand. To me in the grand scheme of life it really doesn't matter much. What you heard about San Angelo isn't real accurate. It always has and still does have a very low african american pop. It's only about 6 to 7% black.The town has a little over a hundred thousand people. So I think if a black person goes there and spends any extended amount time he or she could feel uncomfortable cause they get noticed more. Just like if a white person goes into a predominantly black town or neighborhood people notice not necessarily a racial thing but could make a person uncomfortable. I have a black friend who owns an electrical company there and he says for the most part he's never encountered much racism. He holds a high position on a business board there and he and his son have won awards from the city soooo long story not real short. Most of the people are very nice. Sorry to write such a long post but when I saw the lynching comment I just had to defend. Hate that that has to even be talked about in our great country.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 27, 2007 2:35 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby, I hope you are not thinking I think that about you or the city of San Angelo? You do not have to defend the city of San Angelo. I passed through there in November of 1995 and I did not get that feeling! I was using that as an example of reality and preception. None of us were there when the incident happen BUT we are all stating our opinions about the man who did this horrible act, Sooners fans, Oklahomans. And we do not know the facts. The newspapers does not always print all the facts, BELIEVE ME! If this man happened to be an ut fan, USC fan, Florida fan, and so forth, BELIEVE me their fans would be claiming to the high Heavens that this is not a reflection of them or other fans, FACT PERIOD! You are right that some people use sport teams has an extension of them or their happiness. It is sad if that is the case. I find my happiness in God, my son, my family, & my friends. If OU win or lose...it does not make me more of a man or less of a man. I like to watch the Sooners but if they never played another game I'm not going to go into a deep depression. I will continue to live and love.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 27, 2007 11:07 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Patratt...I wished you were here in Austin, Texas after ut won the National Title. I GUARANTEE you would have said the same about ut fans, PERIOD. I do not look at the tv(News) or listen to the radio cause that is all they are talking about right now as I type this. News 8 here has a segment that talks about the HATED Aggies and sometimes they will report on OU if it is negative press. If some OU fans living in Norman, Oklahoma does the news up there do the same thing in regards to the Cowboys & longhorns? Please let me know! You got your views and I gots mine. I definitely see it here! I am not trying to get you to change your mine, I just want you to know it goes on here. How you measure it? I dunno know? How do we know it is more here than there? I still dunno! But for me I am gone judge people one by one!
gatorstud said:
posted on August 28, 2007 10:09 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
patratt.....you can't just throw everyone under the bus just because of a few fans.....i have been to all the other sec schools to see florida games and there are terrible fans everywhere...but you have to look at those as individuals....and not as a whole...i have been to fsu many times to see florida play......and have run into my fare share of "haters"......but more times than not have been able to go party at the fsu chapter of my fraternity..and have a kick-ass time...with no grudges..whoever won....those are the true college football fans.......
the best time i had at fsu.....the year we went to doak..and we tied.....bobby bowden said it best...neither team deserved to lose that game....and had a kick-ass time with fsu fans that night.....
jmho...
go gators....and hokies
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 28, 2007 11:00 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Everyone here knows I do not like ut BUT if Tomcat, Bobby, or any ut fan invited me over to his place to watch to game...I would go. Not to make fun but because he had the power of friendship to ask me. Now I won't cheer for ut but I will eat his food and drink his soda. Then after the game I will thank him for his kindness!
Tampa Hurricane
posted on August 29, 2007 1:24 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
said:
OU-Ron, don't forget to mention that the recruit has a younger brother that is a better football recruit than he was. It's great that a booster can have the courage to brake NCAA rules while trying to use a recruit's death as a way to show the recruit's younger brother how much OU cares for their family.
gatorstud said:
posted on August 29, 2007 1:56 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
ou-ron.... i might have to agree w/ t-hurricane on this one....is he trying to do the "right" thing by starting a fund for the funeral or is he trying to make sure that the talented younger brother goes there as well....i try to look for the good in people but i wonder if the younger brother were to announce that he was going somewhere else to play..would this gentleman still try to raise the money ??????
go gators...and hokies
OU-Ron
posted on August 29, 2007 4:00 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@74 Man you’re something else, when someone does something good, you turn it into something bad, when something bad happens you’re the first to jump on the bandwagon. I doubt that a sooner fan living in Houston can have that much influence on a recruit, but whatever you think. Look forward to the game between the Cane’s and the Sooners on Sept 8.
Go Sooners
Tampa Hurricane
posted on August 29, 2007 4:22 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
OU-Ron, Doesn't OU have a history of boosters breaking the rules. This might just be a good natured jesture from a booster, or it could be a smooth way to try to break the NCAA rules.
I am looking forward to the game on Sept. 8 cause it should be a great game. It's going to be a lot closer game than you OU fans believe.
OU-Ron
posted on August 29, 2007 4:50 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@77 Yes it has happened, that doesn’t mean this guy’s intentions are anything other than good. I’ll put it this way, if the NCAA approves it, I’ll donate to the fund, and my intentions would be to help that family out. Now to Football, I said in an earlier post that the game will be close, the Cane’s have a damn good defense, don’t know about the offense yet, I think the Cane’s will be starting a new QB also. Look forward to a good game.
Go Sooners
soonerfanatic28 said:
posted on August 29, 2007 5:53 PM — 64.136.49.227 — link — abuse?
Why is everyone hating on OU and OU fans just caus 1 dude ripped a texas' fan's sack? #1 The dude should'nt have came in wearing a texas shirt.and #2 Not all OU fans are like that.Bobbie #51 we have Blazer's hockey,redhawks baseball(Texas Rangers affiliates), we're getting an NBA team we got the tulsa hurricanes,oru,ou,osu
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 29, 2007 7:32 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Soonerfanatic28...I am Crimson & Cream True! But I gots to disagree with you on that comment. Dude or anyone for that matter should be able to wear his or her gear without anyone messin' with 'em, PERIOD! I live in Austin and I wear my OU gear and I let 'em know: Don't mess with me, I don't care where I am at if this is what I am going to wear I am going to wear it! Yes I have heard it all my 12 years livin' hear in Austin as an OU fan. But I can say from experience that there are more "FRIENDLY" ones than "HOSTILE". You heard it from me right here, right now! If you have to fight someone because they don't like the same team or "STUFF" you like then you are a LOSER, PERIOD! Take care man and let's enjoy this game in peace!
Sooner Born said:
posted on August 30, 2007 8:55 AM — 216.37.193.133 — link — abuse?
Let's see I seem to remember being in Austin about 2 months ago and who do I run into? I am at Cubra Libre in 6th steet area, wearing no OU gear like this idiot! An very muscular African American guy comes up to our group of 8 people and starts hitting on the wife of a guy with us. He can barely keep his eye lids open and can barely walk. He stumbles around and pretty much offends every woman within a 2 block radius with his disgusting comments. OH my gosh! Who is it but...Jamal Charles!! Piece of trash during spring practices and games is out getting S*&T faced! What a loser! We almost have to beat his butt because he is acting like a damn hobo! I guess all UT players are this stupid! Sounds kind of like Chris Simms about 4 years ago flipping off the crowd because he can't take the heat for throwing 3 pics and losing 63-14! Go Sooners and you horns should look at home before criticizing others! See you in OCT I'm out!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 30, 2007 11:03 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Sooner Born THAT was 7 years ago that 63-14 beatdown of ut. I remember I called 1300 the Zone (Local sports talk show in Austin). I told Craig Way that ut was gone lose to OU 56 - 3 and he laughed sayin' I was stupid. He was right! I have talked to friends of mine that actually hangout at the ut practices and YES the coaches are aware of all this behavior. I am not saying Whack Brown should be held responsible but he knows. Yes he knew Errick Williams #34 was smokin' marijuanas when he played at ut! One of my former neighbors who brother was a coach there told him that! I am aware he could have been angry when he left! Most ut fans are going to looked the other way of course as long as they keep winnin'. I now have noticed when I interact with some how humble they have gotten since some ut players have coined the phrase Book them, horns! They do not want to bring up when they had a 30 player on their roster, when a lineman on steriods beat up his girlfriend, when a player got caught in an apartment smokin' dope, when a player tried to beatdown someone over a tv, and when two players crashed a wedding with guns in Belton County. But this will not get National Attention because the NCAA for whatever reasons love ut?! Whack Brown acted only because some was sayin' he's losing control and he wanted a pay raise. He gots his pay raise yet he is still behind Robert Stoops in pay. Amazing that it took the NCAA to take away 8 wins from Robert so Whack Brown can be the winningest coach the last 10 years but don't worry it will change by January!
Sooner Born said:
posted on August 30, 2007 12:48 PM — 216.37.193.133 — link — abuse?
Either way, point is everyone has white trash uneducated fans, players, and coaches for that matter. For people from other schools to think this is isolated to Oklahoma actually shows their ingnorance. I am ready for football season to start so all the fans that somehow believe that preseason rankings and talk mean something can shut up and talk about actual games. For all you Oklahoma doubters, I won't say we can win it all but I will say real close and with a few breaks and no injuries it is very possible. Get ready for a big helping of Sooners and write it down so I can say I told you so!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 30, 2007 1:00 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Sooner Born...Has a fellow man & OU fan lets keep race out of it! I am African/Native American and I was shocked to hear you say that! Believe me African American fans can be "Hostile" as well! Come on man, show everyone you have class and not response like that!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 30, 2007 2:11 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Sooner Born all I am saying is deez clowns already have there sterotypes about OU fans, let's not give 'em a reason to think we are racists. I don't look at fans' race, I look at 'em as cool or uncool, PERIOD. If a fan a jerk it's because he ain't gots anythin' goin for him except sports. Hey I can't make say what is cool and I would like you to say what's in your heart or on your mine. I personally do not use the offensive word that refers to African Americans not because it's not cool but I know the real meaning of it. IT MEANS the color black and that's it! Look it up and that's all it means. Society tries to make it mean this or that BUT all it means is the color black. I took Latin for 2 years so I know. Take Care man and Let's enjoy the upcoming season together!
Tomcat said:
posted on August 30, 2007 8:14 PM — 207.193.30.194 — link — abuse?
It's bad any time there is an act of violence upon another human being. These type of offenses happen all the time all over our country. Who knows what was going on? mental illness? I'm willing to bet that alchohol was a contrbuting factor. This guy could have been provoked by anything, not necessarly a shirt, maybe a facial expession,or who you looking at type of confrontation.Some folks are just mean and looking for a fight, what it sounds like here.
This took place in Ok city, could have been Boston, San Antonio, Detroit wherever.
There's and old saying
There aint a cowboy that aint been throwd
There aint a bull that aint been rode.
In other words this A--ole will pay for his actions sooner or later.What you do comes back to you. There's always a faster gun.
Down here you can wear whatever you want too, now I dont know about wearing a Michigan shirt in Ohio ?
CFB starts today
Hookem=HornsBobby said:
posted on August 31, 2007 8:04 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Man there is a ton of UT bashin' goin' on here. Like I said eventually it will be another team under a microscope. You ou fans can sit and talk s!@# about UT all night if it helps you feel better. Truth is every team has it's issues sometimes you just don't hear about it. Sooner B how can anyone believe you? I could pick one of your players, pick a place in Norman, say I ran into him and say he was an ass. I think it's a huge negative that UT is in downtown Austin. Lennie I believe you can back me up on this Austin is proud of it's bars and nightlife and would be hard for any young man to avoid. If ya'll think that ou just has nothing but outstanding student athletes and players your not being real with yourselves. Nonetheless everyone is responsible for their own actions, no one makes you do anything you don't wanna.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on August 31, 2007 9:25 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby I guess you have not heard me so I will say it again...THERE IS GOOD AND BAD ALL AROUND, PERIOD. OKLAHOMANS, OU FANS, & OU PLAYERS are not excluded! I am not bais to OU, for OU at all. They were outplayed and outcoached by Boise State. All the other fans can say what they want but ROBERT STOOPS showed ME that he cares more about what is RIGHT than WINNING when he kicked those 2 players off the team last year. I AM ALMOST SURE THAT IF ut was RANKED that HIGH let alone pick to play in the NATIONAL TITLE GAME and faced the same issue...WHACK BROWN WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THE SAME THING...P-E-R-I-O-D!!!I hate the fact OU scheduled North Texas & Utah State! I DO NOT HATE ut FANS! I do and will watch games with ut fans. I still think they are overrated! I do not go out at ALL to Sixth Street.
OU-Ron
posted on September 1, 2007 12:00 AM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
@42 if you don’t want any texas bashin (as you call it), I would suggest you don’t post $hit like you did in # 21, see, you get as good as you give. Calling someone a liar like you just did will probably get you a response worse than texas bashin, sounds like Sooner Born is up to the task. Talking football smack between OU and texas fans has been going on as long as I can remember and will be going on for a hell of a lot longer.
Texas sucks
Go Sooners
Bobby said:
posted on September 1, 2007 9:02 AM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
Lennie I will agree with you on the Mack Brown comment. I don't know if he would have pulled the trigger. I think if an incident happend now, then yes I think he would because of the heat he has taken lately. Hey I applauded Stoops for booting the players..would be tough to kick your most important player off the team. ou-ron I didn't call him a liar I was trying to make a point that that is hard story to sell. Anyone could do that, I could say that I was in Norman in a convenient store and Allen Patrick was there being an absolute jerk to the clerk for no apparent reason. Totally made up but who knows. In #21 I should not have categorized all ou fans but my experience with them has not been positive but I stand firm on aTm fans cause i've spent way to much time around them and they are scary sometimes. Lennie I as well have never been spent any time on 6th street but have been in Austin long enough to know that they are proud of the night life here.
Tomcat said:
posted on September 1, 2007 10:55 AM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
soonerfanantic28 your posts lack any form of intelligence. Typical hatred towards UT.
You exibit the qualities that sterotype the OU fans in a negative light. No, I've been to alot of UT tailgates with A&M, K-state and Iowa fans, everyone was treated with respect and we all have alot of fun together, As for UT vs OU I've never been.I've seen people around here wear all kinds of clothing and have never witnessed any violent acts because of what people wear.This is one isolated incedent, just happened to be in Oklahoma.
In other words some folks just like to fight, for no reason at all.I live south of Austin and we have one local guy that wears an OU cap on a daily basis, my Uncle wears nothing but A&M caps and my son wears Baylor its all cool down here.
Sicem Bears whup the Frogs
Go Mean Green
Gigem-Aggies
Go Cowboys
Hookem-HornsBobby said:
posted on September 1, 2007 11:58 AM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron, I think UT will win by over 40. Can't really say I don't know what kind of offense they run, I'm just speculating on difference in talent level. I would guess that ou should be able to get by NT by more than 40. It depends on how ou handles a spread offense. It seems sometimes UT struggles when someone uses the spread aka Texas Tech. NT will try to put pressure on your secondary and linebackers. So I would guess that if ou's strength is in the backfield than this will probably be a glorified practice session just like for the rest of the big programs playing the small schools. I've read that ou's strength will be in the defensive and offensive lines and that they are weaker in the secondary. Do you agree with that? Now this is all on NT running a spread offense which is what Coach Dodge ran at Southlake Carroll.
Tomcat said:
posted on September 1, 2007 2:11 PM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
OU Ron Who knows? I dont think the Longhorns 1st string will see much action during the second half.They removed 5 thousand seats so there will only be about 80,000 in attendance today.
The 6 pm start is a good thing, kinda cloudy today alot cooler than yesterday.
The N-Texas game against OU will probably be simular.I wish coach Dodge alot of sucess at the Div-IA level.Wow what a challenge to face OU in your first game coaching at the College level.
They will probably fair better against the Sun Belt competition.I do not beleive it will be a shutout, and this game should be a bit more exciting than the UT game, but not much.
The CU vs Colo St is looking purty good
Looking foward to G Tech vs ND
TCU vs Baylor
BTW My son just left to attend the Tex A&M vs Mont St game, This matchup couldnt be more lopsided.
Adios Tomcat
Go Mean GreenOU-Ron
posted on September 2, 2007 11:08 AM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
Tomcat, Oklahoma looked pretty good vs N Texas, I think it showed why Stoops chose Bradford for the starting QB. I would feel more confident about our future if it had been a better caliber team. The real test will be next game, if OU beats Miami with the defense that they have, then I’ll do some bragging. If the Texas game is any indication as to how they will play this year, you’re in for a long season….
Texas sucked
Go Sooners
G James said:
posted on September 2, 2007 3:13 PM — 70.115.215.218 — link — abuse?
Hello to all you football fans. I have read with interest all of your posts in regard to the physical attack. Sounds like everyone has come to agreement that there are psycho fans everywhere, which is true. I just wanted to recount an event which happened to me and my friends at the OU-Texas game in 1979 in Dallas. The night before the game on Commerce Street, two of my girlfriends and I were walking to the restroom. I was pregnant at the time. We were not talking to anyone else, just among ourselves, when a Texas female fan ran up behind us and struck one of my friends with her fist in the back of the head. Turns out, she had jumped out of the bed of a pickup just to assault our group, since we had on crimson shirts. Just another example of a psycho fan, but on the other side of the Red River. BOOMER SOONER!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 2, 2007 3:21 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
No G James...You are mistaken! ut fans are the most lovable, kind, humble, and gentle fans in the NCAA. It was an OU fan in disguise...yeah, that was it an OU fan with a ut shirt on yeah. Our fans would not do such a thing. You are wrong!
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 2, 2007 11:55 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
I'm a texas fan, as you probably guessed by the name, but i wanna know wtf happened to texas vs. ark st.? I live in IN so the game wasn't on (though i could watch Mich. get beat by App. St.)and i could find out was that Colt threw 2 tds and 2 picks and that the defense was giving up big plays and long drives. Did Ark. St. play with ut or did ut just overlook these guys to TCU and their conference games?
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 3, 2007 6:56 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, if you think that that game vs. Ark. St. didn't show ut that they need to prepare for every team then you're dumber than Allen Beckett. Texas, especially after hearing what happened to Michigan, won't slip up again because they think they can just walk right over a team. The defense will get back to its usual form against the run and should be better than it was against the pass, even without Gene Chizik. So if you think that Texas will be like that all year, you will be as upset as Brian Thomas. Hook 'em horns.
Bobby said:
posted on September 3, 2007 8:51 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy, I am a diehard Longhorn fan and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but UT looking past Ark. St. would only be the tip of the iceberg. There are so many things that I can't really type them all for fear of arthritis developing. TCU has a legitimate shot at beating us, but I say we pull it off because they have no offense and their running back went down against Baylor. This probably will be a long season unless the players wake up, Brown puts in the young talent, and the play calling gets better. I HATE the offense we run. I think the defense will be good in time. There is so much inexperience everywhere. To start we need discipline and to get back to fundamentals. I REALLY hope I am wrong and a different team shows up Saturday, and I hope I am wrong about the season, but I don't think I am. We've enjoyed some up years and this one will be a step back.
Longhorn said:
posted on September 4, 2007 3:31 PM — 192.91.147.34 — link — abuse?
There is no excuse for this crap. Even if i was die hard about hating Oklahoma to point of assault i would just hit the guy, not fondle on his ball sack.
Thats pretty disgusting and hopefully the rest of you clowns in Norman arent into grabbing balls. But who knows...ive heard stories about sheep both there and A&M. It must be a maroon thing...
Hook 'Em
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 4, 2007 6:22 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Longhorn...that's is how some ut fans(adults) looked during that 5 years when OU owned ut and the losses against Ohio State, Kansas State, & Texas A&M last year. I think you should step back and see how ut played against Arkansas State! And OU colors are CRIMSON. You need a reality check real BAD! And if what you heard about sheep is a Texas A&M thing, it's also a TEXAS(THE STATE) thing! So think before you type!
Longhorn said:
posted on September 4, 2007 6:56 PM — 192.91.147.34 — link — abuse?
Lennie
Crimson, maroon, whatever. Its still a piss poor variation of red and damn near the same thing.
And your school is one to be talking about losses there champ. The reason Texas lost the last few games of the season was due to an injury. Whats the excuse for OU against Texas and Boise St last year. Boise State make you guys look like a bunch of chumps. Not only did it make your school look bad but it made the Big 12 look bad. You guys got duped with a statue of liberty play...LOL...are you kidding me!!!!
As far as sheep and other disgusting habits; your boy from OK grabbing another mans balls takes the cake. Thats verifiable, true, and completely disgusting.....
What kind of perve grabs another mans unit regardless of emotional state. It speaks volumes about OU and yourself.
As far as Arkansas St is concerned....a win is a win. As long as there is a "W" in the win column i don't care.
Hook Em'Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 6, 2007 9:03 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Longhorn that first pic is hilarious! It would be a lot better if it was Bob Stoops crying, but that picture is still funny. But I hate to say it, but if you didn't realize, back in '05 when Texas won it all, the longhorns almost got beat by ok. St. because they would just flock to the ball and were caught lookin silly by a simple play action. I'm not makin fun of Texas, but every team has an embarrassing moment like that. Granted, Texas pulled out a win, but also remember that the Cowboys had more points put on the board from their pa's than boise did from that statue of liberty. The 'Horns are my team but I'm willing to admit that they aren't perfect. That advice can keep you out of plenty of fights, just ask Lennie. Hook 'em horns.
OU Fan said:
posted on September 7, 2007 3:28 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
Longhorn and Bevo Boy, you guys are idiots. Bevo Boy, "It would be a lot better if it was Bob Stoops crying, but that picture is still funny." How old are you, twelve? Longhorn, "Its still a piss poor variation of red and damn near the same thing." How stupid was that statement. Personally, I like the colors Red(Crimson) and White(Cream), and I don't find it to be a piss poor variation. "What kind of perve grabs another mans unit regardless of emotional state. It speaks volumes about OU and yourself." Longhorn, crazy sh$t happens everywhere and in every state, moron. And Longhorn, you say Oklahoma made the Big 12 look bad. But what can I say, OU was the 2006-2007 Big 12 Champions, Texas was not. And Longhorn, you can say a win is a win all you want to, but I have observed how much you Texas fans were whining and how scared you all are that McCoy looked like crap and that Arkansas State took Texas to the wire, and no I have not observed that from this site but from different people and other sources. Longhorn fans are all the same. I look forward to seeing a good TCU team win in Austin and an outstanding OU team beat the hell out of Texas. One more thing. Bevo Boy, you will never see a picture of Stoops crying. When Bob Stoops loses, he makes no excuses unlike Mack Brown. Bob Stoops tells the media how much OU played like crap and what they need to work on, except for the Oregon game. However, for example, Mack Brown however apologizes to Texas fans for not being able to beat Oklahoma. Do you remember the years 2000-2004? Mack Brown apologized to you ungrateful fans because he feared he would lose his job, even though Texas would average 10+ win seasons. The University of Texas and the majority of its fans are ungrateful, cocky, and a disgrace. Did I forget to mention how Mack Brown had to make you guys feel better after the Arkansas State game to prevent you all from crying. BOOMER SOONER!
OU-Ron
posted on September 7, 2007 9:05 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
OU Fan, Longhorn knows that the texas program is on the decline, the only way he knows how to show his frustrations is to post pictures of little boys and make stupid remarks. He should be more concerned how the mighty horns played against Ark St and more important how they will play against TCU, if the same team shows up, they will get their tails kicked. I’m looking forward to see the game tomorrow with Miami, should be a great game although the weather is supposed to be horrible.
Go Sooners
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 7, 2007 9:55 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey longhorn...you as well as most of longhorn nation always make excuses when the longhorns lose. It is never the other team played better. When OU beat texas 5 years in row Whack Brown made excuse after excuse. I heard everything from we look pass them to the weather. You SOUND like a fool longhorn. I am not from Oklahoma and I don't even know the man so what does this man in this incident gots to do with me or the football program? As I stated most ut fans are arrogant and think the ut football program is spotless. You are in the group. OU Ron & OU fan don't waste your time talking to this fool. OU lost to Oregon, texas,& Boise State but still...was your BIG 12 champions. OU overcame a mess last year and still was the Big 12 champions, PERIOD! You sound like a dummy talking about color scheme. ut changed their official colors from effeminate orange to vomit orange. Go get glasses if you don't know CRIMSON from Maroon, DUMMY! Why did you not post the look of Cult McCoy face after the Arkansas State game? I saw the post-game interview of the game and ut looked liked they had lost the game. Cult McCoy had to say on tv yesterday that we(ut) is not afraid of TCU. Well it ain't about being afraid it's about playing well. The only chumps on this blog is YOU and ut football! Look at ut and OU future non-conference schedules and you will see OU is making games with GOOD ooponents ut isn't. After ut loses to TCU...you will go away.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 7, 2007 10:12 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey longhorn...are you going to boast about another STAT ut holds over OU. The offseason arrests! OU, for an overrated football program has more National Titles than ut, FACT. Robert Stoops make more than Willy "Whack" Brown. OU FAN said it best when OU losses or plays poor Robert states that it is on him and the coaching staff. Not with ut coach. If Whack Brown had any decency he would give that pay raise back and say wait till after the season. Whack Brown and ut players did not look like they had "confidence" after playing the Native Americans! Go post those pictures on here!
Bobby said:
posted on September 7, 2007 12:42 PM — 128.62.182.88 — link — abuse?
OK ou fans I just read a write on the ou/UNT game from a person who saw it and whom I believe has very good sound knowledge and is not biased to UT believe me he bashed UT on the Arkie St. game. UNT is bad ...really bad the talent difference was in major favor of ou. There wasn't one player on UNT that could play for ou. UNT played man to man the entire first half, and ou probably gained 200+ yards after catch. There was a 5'8' white boy covering Malcolm Kelly..good luck with that. UNT did nothing to take advantage of ou's new freshman QB not that they could anyway. They did not disguise coverages or even play zone. They looked to be in "Dear God just get us through this
"' mode the entire game. UNT offensive line consists of guard types and one freshmen tackle. Now we all know that rare would be the occasion were a freshman would line up at tackle for UT or ou, but not UNT. This offensive line was recruited for a smash mouth running game and struggled against the pass. UNT stayed in the 4 receiver set the entire first half, never tried running the ball out of their base formation. Todd Dodge was playing spread offense with kids recruited for the old coaches style. Malcolm Kelly is NFL ready, Joaquin Iglesias is a real solid #2. Sam Bradford can throw the hitch. Ryan Reynolds looks like a woman attacking a rack of clothes at a sale. Phil Loadholt has never seen a spin move, and ou couldn't run the ball. Demarco Murray avgd. 5 yrs/carry and had 5 td's. Take away 44 yrd td run on a reverse where he was lined up as a receiver and he went 16-43. ou had a 1st and goal from the 1 and it took the offense 4 tries to punch it in, later had a 1st and goal from the 2 took 3 tries to score. UNT's QB Giovanni Vizza was a freshman. Still managed 143 passing yrds. Some of this is opinion, some fact. The reason I posted this is that I havn't seen any ou fans talking about some glaring issues. Miami has a great run D. If ou could barely get it done against UNT than they could be in for a long night. Might need some more Allen than Murray. Campbell/Loadholt..advantage Campbell. This game will really show where ou is at. ou is either a real contender or just a good team. Miami has argueably one of the best D's in the nation but offense is bad. This game will not be a blow out IMO. Now some of you will say why don't you you come up with some of your opinions. Well alot of it is and alot of it isn't..I did not get to see the game. But I think we can all admit that we base our opinions on opinions of others that we think are credible and by game stats and most of all by watching the games. I'm a UT fan and have been very critical of them and Brown so don't bother coming at me with that either. UT stunk it up last Saturday and have alot to prove. Good luck this weekend gentlemen, these games will show alot for both teams..no doubt ou looks to be better than UT this year but you never know that's why they play the game. I apologize for the excrutiatingly long post.Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 7, 2007 1:20 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby, I saw the replay Monday morning of that OU/UNT game. That person and I must have saw two different teams or game. OU played their second string everything and still could have score 80+ points. The game end and OU were at the UNT 10 yard line I believe. BOBBY I AGREE WITH YOU 100% that UNT was/is a terrible team. Arkansas State is on equal playing ability and ut still could not blow 'em out. The officials gave ut that onside kick(Which ASU legally recovered) to make sure they won! ut coaches & players are still making excuses, PERIOD. Bobby my friend I know you paid a lot to see a top 5 team but you overpaid! ut officials should give all their ut fans a refund. ut does not want to admit right now that they are not a top 10 team. OU should not either and I am being 100%. If OU beats Miami by 14+ points then they can start talking. I have even been noticing the sport announcers, here in Austin that boasted ut was gone be all that, are now saying they have to go back on that statement(s). The same goes for ut, if they blowout TCU then start talking! Onecannoucer even said ut is on the downslide possibly.
OU-Ron
posted on September 7, 2007 1:55 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@120 Bobby
Why give us your play by play version of the OU/NT game, why not give us the play by play version of the tu/Ark St game. Seems someone could be worried about the OU squad, you know the ones that looked so bad against NT. Could it be that the long version of the play by play for the texas/Ark St game could be said in just a few words, something like “texas looked and played like shit”
Go Sooners
Texas sucks(more every day)
Bobby said:
posted on September 7, 2007 3:08 PM — 128.62.182.88 — link — abuse?
Man OU-Ron do you even read posts? I swear you gotta be the lamest dude on this entire blog. I read most of your stuff and it just plain sucks. ALL you do is look for places to jab UT..that's your entire game. You can't be honest with yourself. I'd like to see your thoughts when ou lost what was it lost 5 or 6 games a couple of seasons back. I bet you didn't have s!@# to say.You don't even strike me as a die hard ou fan, you seem kinda rainy day. Now that ou is on a possible up swing here you are talking your big s!@#. Go back and read my posts. I've had nothing positive to say about UT. They stunk and at this point I've already said ou would beat UT. I'm real with myself I know what I saw. Your like a monkey in a tree flinging it's s!@# out. You think it's funny and witty but it's just s!@#. "Seems like someone could be worried about the ou squad"....really ou-ron...I bet i've made the statement that ou looks or is better no less than three times over the past week...so congrats you got me there. Again lame. Lennie please help this guy. I was trying to point out that ou has some things to iron out. UNT was a very young, out muscled, running offense playing the spread. If I were an ou fan I would not be hanging my hat on that game. Lennie to me you pointing out that ou did not play most of it's starters like excuses to me bro. Heck UT rotated second string in and out quite a bit ...mostly on defense...now I sound like I'm making excuses. Everyone here thinks everyone makes excuses. Show me a site where it shows the ou starters verses ou backups and I'll buy that. ou-ron your predictable..so please spare me any return insult..facts on UT/ou any slams on players or Mack ..don't get ou-fan or Lennie to back you up. Lennie I agree it sounds like Mack is making excuses. His approach is always on the positive..that's how he is. Colt was more honest about it in an interview he did. He's the leader of the team. I don't like Brown's approach, I like a little of both..if your good then praise'em, if they stink then by all means say it. I don't give any credence to the refs blowing a call. That's part of the game. How many outcomes would be changed if refs got every call right? EVERY team has had it's fair share of good and bad calls. ou and Oregon anyone? Miami will be a real good test on where ou is at, especially on offense. I think that UT,ou, TCU, and Miami all have legitimate chances. No blow outs. Lennie, look forward to your response..ou-ron save it 'cause I already know it's the same s!@#.
OU-Ron
posted on September 7, 2007 3:25 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@124 If you don’t want a response to you lame ass post’s, then don’t write an essay on what you read or heard about a game that you didn’t even watch. Hell you can write a book from all of your own fans comments on all the texas blogs, again if you don’t want a response, don’t open your ignorant mouth.
Bobby said:
posted on September 7, 2007 3:29 PM — 128.62.182.88 — link — abuse?
Lennie UNT and Arkansas St. play each other. Then we can see who played the tougher team. Right now who really knows. I would place my bets on Arkie BECAUSE UNT's QB is a freshman and like I said before. Todd Dodge runs the spread and the guys he has were recruited for the run game. You know coaches need atleast two seasons in place to get their kind of guys in the system. Next year he will have his son Riley there...now who plays QB will be anyones guess because Riley is a QB. Now I saw the UT/Arkie game and they had some big, physical players. BUT before you say it UT should have atleast beaten Arkie by 35 at least. Based on my limited knowledge I say Arki...score who knows.
Bobby said:
posted on September 7, 2007 3:48 PM — 128.62.182.88 — link — abuse?
AHHHH....Typical ou-ron idiotisms. I didn't say no response from everyone just you, because it's always lame and just regurgitated comments you read from Lennie or ou fan. What are you doing on Texas blogs? Here's a news flash genius, if you don't want to read posts from Texas fans don't go to their blogs. I know you were probably on there spewing your amazing UT and ou knowledge. When I get on a UT blog I talk UT...just the facts mam. VTBobb that was hilarious and not to worry I got my jock on.
OU-Ron
posted on September 7, 2007 4:33 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@128 Bobby
Ya I know, that’s why I responded, as far as the texas blogs go, I like reading the comments that the texas faithful say about how bad the horns sucked last week, by the way—glad you agree. You said “I was trying to point out that ou has some things to iron out”, that’s some more texas BS. Your post #120 starts out “ OK ou fans” blah blah blah, do you really think any OU fans need your input. I don’t think so. As far as the jock thing goes, you probably don’t have a set big enough that you would need a jock. Texas still sucksLennie Collins said:
posted on September 7, 2007 4:57 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey just when I thought you were cool Bobby you had to say some stupid junk. You and your ut buddies regurgitate(if that is even a word or spelled right!)excuses when ut plays poorly or lose. You and your ut buddies talk about OU but fell to see how overrated texas really is. OU was favorite by 44 points over a lame UNT and covered the spread. ut was favorite by 39 points over a lame Arkansas State and fell to come HALF as close to the point spread. ASU probably would have tied the game if the officials called the game right.It seem you have a lot to say on the OU blogs. That what I mean about ut fans, most of them, being arrogant. "We can post our comments on OU blogs but how dare them post on ours!" You made a comment(#128) about the OU game and did not see it! I saw parts of the ut game and they looked horrible. I usually don't like when OU Ron or OU Fan call anyone names but this time I gots to step back and agree with OU RON. Don't talk stupid if you don't want stupid talk back to you, PERIOD. I can understand if you are havin' a bad day or worried that TCU gone beat ut like they stole sumthin' from them but my comments are not lame. I don't know everything about college football BUT the FACT is ut did not play well against ASU and OU played well against a team that was no good. I have acknowledge that. But if you want to call names or call someone comments lame......LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED FIRST!
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 7, 2007 6:04 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie #121, you're wrong about both ou and ut. When they both play to their potential they are top 10 teams. I think ou showed that they deserved top 10 and that ut has some catchin up to do. What they need to do is schedule an sec team every year so the sec can't complain that the only reason they were left out of the bcs was because they're in the toughest conference. The big 12 has four teams that deserve to be ranked and at least three more solid teams, whereas the sec is just top heavy so people think they're better than they really are.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 7, 2007 6:19 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bevo Boy you must not have read all the things that I have posted. I want OU to schedule GOOD opponents. They have scheduled Florida State, Tennessee, Norte Dame, and Miami. We got to wait 2 years or more to see them. According to this blog I read last night... OU AD and Coach Robert Stoops stated that they will bring the best to Owen field. They are expanding their stadium and want to fill it up. When the expansion going to happen and how big the stadium gone be I DO NOT KNOW. All I can go on is that the AD and coach said it be worth it. OU has played Alabama in the past and I want to see them play the upper tier teams.
Bobby said:
posted on September 7, 2007 7:41 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
ou-ron you never let me down. Your reply was exactly what I expected. Lennie if you wanna go there than thats cool. You act as if all you say is untouchable. You've said things that I think are stupid, but I respect your opinion, and liked the fact that you could be somewhat real and honest about your team. And your not beyond name calling yourself. I try to bring some info. in because all I read is UT slams which is fine because it's all the same stuff over and over. What I havn't seen was any ou fans talk about was ou's holes and if you don't think there's any there than the Miami D will show them to you. Every team has holes...and yes UT has some. I've not defended Texas players or their play that is FACT! And their coaches. How many times have we talked about the schedules. That's what I'm sayin same stuff over and over. Some people can't past bashing and it gets tiring. I don't know it ya'll have noticed but you three are the only ones who talk trash about UT, no one else ever engages in it..it's just you guys. I came in weeks ago said my piece about ou and moved on. Now today I try to bring something in on ou because none of you have said much at all. What happens ou-ron running with his old, much used insults. If you read my original post, I was attempting to discuss not insult.
Bobby said:
posted on September 7, 2007 7:58 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Hey Lennie...tape was reviewed and not only was the onside kick call missed, but also an illegal chop block on UT defensive end Brian Orakpo. Every player knows that when someone is being blocked high you don't go low, it's dangerous, and just cheap play. Now I would be willing to bet that most coaches would rather have an onside kick missed than lose a player with a knee injury because of a cheap play that was missed, but that is just my opinion. Orakpo was having himself a good game and who knows, could've gotten to the QB ..stripped the ball ...run in for a TD..who knows just like we don't know what Ark. St. would have done if the call would have been correct on their onside.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 7, 2007 8:04 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bobby the why it sounds, correct me if I am wrong...you stated from a previous post that I post lame and regurgited statements? That sounds like an insult to me. Fact is no matter what the discussion is ut fans always state the 18+ victories over OU, FACT! When OU players do something wrong the whole state of Oklahoma is out of control according to ut fans, FACT. But when ut players do something wrong it's a isolated incident BUT not a reflection of the school or other players, FACT! ut is clean and never does anything wrong while OU is dirty and can't do anything right according to ut fans, FACT! OU play a close game regardless who the opponent is they are overrated and lucky to escape wit da win, ut play a close game they overcame, FACT! Read all the comments I have made in readgards to OU before you talk. I have given you credit for seeing that ut did not play well. I seen the OU/UNT game and I NEVER stated that OU is National Title ready. ut played sloppy and still think they are the team to beat! I agree with you 100% that there is too much name calling and not enough facts. You really need to read these blogs because ut fans have talked the most junk. If you have noticed I do not always agree with what OU RON or OU fan say. I guess you ut fans gots to agree on everything if it is even false. So if you don't want me to group you in a bunch don't group me. I don't have nothing against you but if you gonna say I came with lame facts then point out and I correct myself. I will say it again if you(In general) gots to call names then you ain't got JACK to say, PERIOD. That goes for OU fans too!
OU-Ron
posted on September 7, 2007 8:19 PM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
@133 Bobby, If you want to talk football and talk it without any insults, I will be glad to do it. If you would look at some of my posts, you will see that in each of them I said that beating NT was not a big deal, they’re not much better than a high school team. I also said that I’m not sure OU should be rated in the top 10, I have also said I don’t think teams should even be ranked until conference play starts. I have also said that we will know more about our team after we play Miami because they have a damn good defense. But if you want to talk about texas and OU, make sure you talk it both ways, don’t come with an essay telling OU fans that the team has problems that they need to iron out without doing the same about your own team, just saying that they didn’t look very good just don’t cut it, write an essay on them and tell us their problems, you seemed to have plenty to say about OU, your turn…..
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 7, 2007 9:02 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
What does that picture of that little boy crying gots to do with this longhorn? Bobby, when I stated OU did not play their starters...what excuse(s) I was making? I will say it again now read carefully. I WAS NOT IMPRESS WITH OU SECOND STRING DEFENSE. IF ANY OU STARTER ON DEFENSE GETS HURT OU WILL BE A LOUSY, SORRY, LAME, and JOKE OF A TEAM! OU could have scored 93 points on UNT but I can't speak for all of OU fans but it WOULD NOT HAVE IMPESS ME! ut fans READ BEFORE YOU RESPOND TO THIS POST!
Bobby said:
posted on September 8, 2007 9:34 AM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
OK...First, Lennie I did not say you regurgitated, that was ou-ron I was referring to. Second, ou-ron, please look and see where I directly attacked ou. I was trying to bring in some material for us as ou and UT fans to chew on, because LORD knows we have beat on UT for a solid week now. I've read on ou sites about the game, the UNT site, and I went to a site that was neutral to gather info., because we down in the Austin area could not see the game. I would not go to a UT site or blog to gather info., doesn't seem like a good idea. What I was attempting to do was discuss something else besides the woes at UT because I don't think it's all rainbows and butterflies there yet. What I read was that ou struggled to run the ball...then backed it up with facts. I said maybe ou should go with A. Patrick. Other stuff was opinion, and I prefaced that before I got in to it. So tell me fellas where have I attacked ou?
Bobby said:
posted on September 8, 2007 10:08 AM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
Lennie, ou-ron, and some other it just seems like it's ok to bash and talk about the problems at UT, but HOW DARE I TALK ABOUT ou. To me I'd much rather talk football than exchange insults or trash talk a team, but in all honesty ou-ron, that's all you seem to want to do. I HATE it when a new UT fan comes in and starts talking smack because we have to go around the mountain again. I came in started talking trash about ou fans, they talked back, realized that's no fun because you can't talk football and that's what I want to do. Haven't talked any trash until yesterday, because it gets old and tiring, I mean c'mon lets move on and talk football. Lennie, I didn't see your reply on the illegal chop block that the Arkie. St. running back threw on Orakpo, and now he's out with a knee injury. So I think some on here need to let the onside kick go. Chop blocking someone is a far more serious football crime than a blown call by a ref. If Charles or Ogbannaya threw an illegal block on an ou player I would be screaming for Mack to do something. I'm a fan of football first. I sure would like to hear what the Arkie St. head coach has to say about that block, because he has done some public crying over the blown call. So Lennie and ou-ron would love to talk football with you guys but lets be able to look at both benches.
OU-Ron
posted on September 8, 2007 11:26 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@114 Bobby, I think you hit it on the nose, you came in talking trash and you have to expect that you will get a response in a very negative way. You, I or no one else is going to change the way OU and texas hate each other. Yes you have stated in several posts how bad you think texas played against ASU, as I have stated that you cant tell how good OU really is by using NT as a gauge, they’re a real weak team, but when you talk about how poorly texas played against ASU it’s usually a single sentence as mine are about OU. You start your post # 120 out with “OK ou fans” and then go on for 20 minutes telling everyone that the game OU just played didn’t mean crap just because you read it somewhere. If you want any respect, post the same thing about your team. Now if you want to start out on a new note, I’m willing, it’s up to you
Go Sooners
Bobby said:
posted on September 8, 2007 11:55 AM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
ou-ron, the site I got info. on was a neutral site by a sports writer. The same writer lit UT up for instance he started his column off about Arkie and UT with "right now I'm doing an impression of a big pile of steaming baboon s!@#$, because that's how UT looked." Now ou-ron could you agree that most sports fans gather their information and form opinions from what they see, what they hear, and what they read from people and places they deem credible. As much as we may want to we can't watch all the games. I know my wife would leave. I didn't think the ou game didn't mean crap. But someone saw the game, saw a potential weaknesses and wrote what he saw, and he did the same on UT. I haven't seen anyone on here talk much on ou. So I thought I'd bring something up because we all can agree we've harped on UT. UT was not all bad if they play to their potential they will be big 12 contenders. ou took care of business but the stats I read and commentary pointed out ou had some issues as well...can you handle that ron? Like I said we need to be able to look at both benches.
OU-Ron
posted on September 8, 2007 12:04 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@146 Bobby, I dont have a problem with that, but you only brought one side of that. getting back to the games today, I really hope texas and OU win today, how great would it be for both teams to be undefeated when they meet.
GO SOONERSBobby said:
posted on September 8, 2007 12:36 PM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
ou-ron, yeah looking forward to both games. I still think ou is better than UT even if they beat TCU. We have alot of holes to fill. I've said it before right now UT looks like a 3 loss team ou like a 1 loss team. If Texas beats TCU, and soundly beats UCF, Rice, and K-state I will feel better. If you while going on other threads a read posts between Lennie and I you will see I talk alot about the bad play of UT. And I've never defended Mack or the troubled players. I can see were Mack is coming from but I don't agree.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 8, 2007 3:30 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie #132, so what you're saying is that you think miami, notre dame, and fsu are better than the sec? Last time i checked, none of those three are ranked, but there are currently 6 ranked sec teams. Which do you think would be bringing in the better competition? But also, if that's what ou is about, how come they aren't talking to usc? They're the best team over the last 5 years, is ou just scared they'll get spanked like the last time they played usc? If they're trying to bring the best to Owens Field, maybe the should start by asking the best team.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 8, 2007 3:40 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy go somewhere! Go do something constructive. OU as the second toughest non-conference schedule the next 5 years, Fact! Only Colorado has a tougher non-conference schedule. ut was ranked SEVENTH in the Big 12. Even Whack Brown said HIMSELF he is not going to schedule "tough" opponents, ask Bobby! GO DO SOME RESEARCH YOU MISERABLE (You fill in the blank)! CHECK OU FUTURE SCHEDULEs THEN COMPARE IT WITH ut. YOU AIN"T JACK...ALL TALK NO FACTS YOU SORRY (You fill in the blank!)
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 8, 2007 4:01 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bobby I don't know if that was an apology or not. It sure sound like you tried to sneak an insult in earlier. I will say it again: I DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HERE, ALTHOUGH THIS BEVO BOY IS GETTING MORE ANNOYING THAN MY EX-WIFE! You have your opinion and I have mine. That does not make either one of us RIGHT or WRONG. I AGREE WITH YOU 100% that it should not be insults. Do you or anyone on this blog have some insect repellant...this Bevo Boy is a pest! I believe you are cool and sincere so I will call a truce with you. BE COOL and ENJOY THE GAME TONIGHT!
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 9, 2007 12:01 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
As to the no facts part Lennie, I'll admit I haven't used a lot of facts, but I have been showing you the flaws in yours. To get the best to come to your stadium, you have to have the best team NOW. OU is asking the teams with the best history, but couldn't compete with the shadows of their former teams. And as to this year ut scheduled a RANKED non-conference team whereas ou scheduled a couple decent teams but not any that were serious threats. It might be different down the road, I haven't really looked into that, but no non-conference team that ou will play/played this year stands/stood much of a chance. If you disagree, which team was it, because Miami showed that they aren't any kind of threat this year.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 9, 2007 11:42 AM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, TCU showed that they could have beaten UT. They had Colt McCoy out of his element in the first half, where he threw two picks. Then the coaches helped him relax, he made smarter throws, and because of that they put up 24 points on offense in the second half. If you were picking TCU over UT, why don't you think that TCU had a legitimate shot at winning?
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 9, 2007 12:12 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, I didn't notice it at first, but you made the UT non-conference schedule look pretty tough there, adding in a second ranked team (arkansas) and taking out rice. I wish that UT would go back to playing their old Big South rival every year, but it doesn't sound like UT really wants to. It would be an exciting game, but if the fan's got all the games they wanted then every team would be around .500. I liked the way that one guy said the nat'l championship teams should be decided: you get points for winning. If you beat the #1 team you get 119 points, if you lose to them then you lose 1 point. The teams with the most points at the end of the year play in the championship.
Bobby said:
posted on September 9, 2007 12:12 PM — 198.147.139.184 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy, I was listening to an interview with Mack, and he was asked about the weak schedule, and he said that he and Dodd were scheduling the way they were is because of the BCS. He thinks in more or less words that it's not necessary.I don't completely agree but I'm not calling the shots. I think that his thinking is that the teams he plays consistently in the big 12..ou, Neb.,TT, Ok.St., and aTm, are almost always in and out of the top 25 and that provides enough quality that he doesn't need to go get USC, Florida..etc. He's fine with middle of the road non-conference. Now on the other hand ou is scheduling better "looking" teams but as of right now. ND and FSU look good on the ticket but they're middle of the road right now. Miami was a good game I will give Stoops that and they could be real good in 2009. Arkansas and UCLA could be good ..could be lame. You never know. Right now UCLA is ranked 15th. Miami was not ranked will probably not crack the top 20 this year, ND and FSU currently ranked outside the top 25. Lennie are you saying TCU was not a quality team? They've been making noise in the BCS for 5 years now. They were ranked 19th when we played them, Miami was not ranked...not taking away from ou..I think they are #2..#3 at worst. C'mon man...lets be fair to both sides here.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 9, 2007 3:56 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy...if you think Arkansas is a "Second Ranked" team then I know you are on illegal drugs. TCU has not won in Austin since before I was born. Rice, why would I mention Rice unless I am deciding plain or fried! Bobby you doggone on right I am saying that. TCU coach looked like Mike Tyson after Buster Douglas knocked him out. That coach looked dazed and confused. Again when OU wins, the opponent is not good. ut wins, the opponent is always good...including Arkansas State. ut fans did not even want to give credit when OU had that 5 game win streak. I heard it all... weather, injuries, deaths in the family, so on. Like Donna Summer & Barbara Streisand song in the late 70's: ENOUGH is ENOUGH. Injuries are a part of the game. Let me see 225+ pound men hitting each other with force...injuries should not come about? If OU and ut play a common opponent...ut fans can find fault in OU victories and make silly fun in OU losses. If ut wins it is the best thing since GOD sent Jesus to save the world and if ut losses it is never ut just did not play well enough, officials made bad call, if ut players were not injured, if it was not windy or raining, and so forth. I would like a non bias person to read ALL these blogs and I am sure he would agree with me. I would like to get all you bias ut fans addresses so I could send you all Crimson and Cream jock straps and a note attached to all of them. It would read...Since you don't want to show OU love get on deez (I ain't gone say it)!
Bobby said:
posted on September 9, 2007 7:28 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Lennie it has become pointless to talk to you. You are so consumed with UT hate you can't even talk about the teams without just going berzerk. Let me get this straight, it's ok for you to play down TCU but if I point out that Miami was not even ranked, you fly off the handle. I've never said ou's win isn't worth crap, in fact I feel like I've been real positive about ou. You don't even acknowledge that. Any time anyone on here points out something on ou or makes a comment you deem "stupid", you go off. You've got a double standard Lennie. Go back and read any posts where anyone is trying to talk seriously, you end up going off and calling them stupid or something. I would have not even brought up TCU and Miami rankings had you not gone off on the strengh of schedule again. You basically said in more or less words that TCU was not quality play. So I disagree with you and what do I get..blasted. TCU was ranked 19th FACT! One of the top ranked defenses in the country FACT! Number 1 rushing defense in the country FACT! TCU had 21 straight games holding runners under 100 yrds. FACT! Teams were averaging 61 yrds per game rushing FACT! Jamaal Charles hung 134 on them FACT! I brought up UT losing two players to injury for sake of conversation, and I guess I should not have been surprised you took it the wrong way.
You take anyone talking positive about UT as being excuses. You obviously like your thoughts and opinions respected, but you give no respect to others. You bring up someone biased persons backing you up, that same person would tell you that you are far to sensitive. You are the only one on here to bring up race several times. You just wait to be offended. You brought up the refs blowing calls first...remember onside kick. So I come back with the illegal chop block, but I'm making excuses. Good luck with being sensitive and offended all the time..seems like it would be a stressful life. Your jock joke would be what you call "stupid" Lennie. You try to come across like a controlled, logical, intelligent fan of the game then you go on one of your tirades and totally discredit yourself.Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 9, 2007 7:54 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
I guess the same can be said about you! Before you go on the attack, step back, and read all my blogs. I gave ut credit for beating TCU. I would vote them #5 in the polls if it was up to me. But I guess ya did not read that. I myself did not think TCU played like #19 but ut defense had something to do with that! You got to look at yourself before you get on me. If I am not mistaken you wrote an essay about OU/UNT came. You broke it down and it was a SHOT at OU, Period! I did not see you do a breakdown of the ut/ASU and you were there! I CANNOT STAND ut FACT, FACT, FACT! I believe they should be ranked at least #5 because they did beat the #19 team in the polls. I know some ut fans want me to kiss the ut longhorns butts...it will not happen. ut deserves to be #5 but because they played 1 great half of football I am not gone drop to da ground and worship them. I already apologize for going off on you and I ready ta move on. If you do not want to accept it I cannot make you. If that not enough well I am sorry. Take care!
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 9, 2007 8:11 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, why are you so rude to me but so polite to him? When I first started talking, yea I was a jerk, but I've been giving you facts and even complimented ou but all i get back is "You're on illegal drugs." As to the second ranked team in arkansas, what I meant was that TCU was the first ranked team that UT played, which according to your schedule, would have made arkansas the second ranked team that UT would have on their non-conference schedule. I didn't mean that I thought they were 2nd best team in the country. I'm sorry (see, I'm being polite), I'll try to make that clearer next time.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 9, 2007 8:30 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Yeah Bobby I brought up race. Do I think you are racist? No. I brought it up to show a point! Most of these clowns making assumptions about OU fans probably don't know any let alone been to Oklahoma. I brought it up on the story about Notre Dame. Ty Willingham was fire because of his race. The Notre Dame AD was not concern about race but the alumni and boosters were. Notre Dame is a JOKE of a team but are they calling for Charlie Weis to get fired? NO! Why is Coach Croom under the spotlight...his skin color. Hey Bobby I cannot and will not control your thinking but if you think race issues stay away from college football???? I think overall you are a decent person but I am not by some standards. I am not politically correct, never was and never will. I am not here to make enemies but I am going to say somethings you do not agree with. I say I don't think the SEC is the toughest conference in college football the insults come. I say I don't think TEXAS(The state) is the Utopia of high school or college football the attacks begins. Hey Bobby you do not have to agree witha doggone thing I say...no one has to... not you, OU RON, OU fan. This David guy think ut should be up there with OU, that's his opinion. ut, again I WILL SAY IT, beat a top 20 team. I am not gone praise ut for playing one solid half of football. I am taking both games in consideration! OU has not played a ranked opponent but has play solid football both games and there is ALWAYS, ALWAYS room for improvement. I WILL SAY IT AGAIN Bobby...I don't hate you or dislike you but I am who I am and you are who you are. I might say thing you don't like, I might upset you, but I will never let you down!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 9, 2007 9:16 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bevo Boy if I am not mistaken you called me a hoe after you asked me what happen in regards to the ut/ASU game. I did jump on Bobby for a misread thread. What I type to Bobby you can read and apply to you. I ain't politically correct. I ain't here to make trouble but I am not gone be a yes man. The crowd: The SEC is toughest conference! My response: I do not agree. The crowd: You dummy can't you see it? My response: No! The crowd: ut is the best team ever! My response: I don't agree! The crowd: Well they beat OU 18 more than OU beat them! My response: True, but greatness is base on national titles. The crowd: You dummy ut still has beaten OU mo!
I hope you see where I am coming from. You don't have to!Non-Bias from Florida said:
posted on September 10, 2007 12:31 AM — 98.203.2.170 — link — abuse?
Okay Lennie, I will try to be as non-biased as possible. I have read this entire blog and have almost forgot what it was about. So first let me say that what has happened in the bar was uncalled for and "most" likely someone looking for a fight and using the UT shirt as an excuse. As for fun bantering between rivals, it can be fun. A few comments of how the other team is going to get owned by yours etc. etc., but never serious or even to actual physical contact. I know I always want all my conference opponents to win to make us look better, even my rivals, so it makes us look good when we beat them, especially when they are ranked. UT better beat TCU for OU's sake or they won't be ranked very high. OU should want UT to win every game before they meet. I am not going to go back and try and comment on all that is said either, but I will try and make some points. Like to Bevo Boy (I believe), A schedule isn't made at the beginning of the season.I watch every game possible so I can get the scoop of how people are playing in all conferences. I have PIP on my TV so I can watch at least 2 games at the same time. I also watch the Thrs., Fri., and Mon. games along with a good part of the Sat. games. If I miss any I try and pick them up on repeats on FSN or ESPN. Yes Lennie I know what you are thinking and my wife is just fine with it, sweet huh. I have to say the Fresno St.-Texas A&M game was sweet (and saying aTm is funny to me, sounds like they are always needing money or something, even if it isn't implied). As I was saying, I remember a few yaers ago that OU was looking to schedule Miami. Now remember Bevo Boy, Miami won the NC in 01' season (02' game) and went the next year (02' season, 03; game) and lost the NC to Ohio State. It was around that time that Miami was considered to be on the OU schedule. It takes time and with Miami alot of time. UNT may have be bad this year, but, when considered they were the top of their conference at the time of schedule. Notre Dame is just for publicity (I think we can all agree that ND needs to get off their high horse and join a conference). FSU won the NC in 99' (00' game). Larger teams take more time to schedule than smaller teams because of alot of factors, but one of them is that everyone wants to play them, so it takes time to get to that point to play them. Who knew Miami wouldn't be a NC caliber team in 5 years after playing for it (and winning it once) when scheduled. You say FSU isn't any good, well that's now. In a few years they could be back to NC caliber. You can always complain about your opponents (or rivals) team, but in the end it is your team that is the only important thing to you. So on to the games. First lets talk about hype before games. UNT was to have new coach (from high school), but, he had won 4 yrs of the last 5 yrs Texas State championships. For those years he was 79-1. It was suppose to be a decent game but not a blow-out (not close either). OU had huge ??? at QB. They were answered (to some degree). In week 2 UNT did put up 601 yards passing on SMU which is more evenly matched. So the pass defense did decent enough against UNT. Also the OU run game (if you really payed attention to the game and not the stats) was good enough. Remember that the top 2 RB didn't play. The others did very well in thier place (Murry 5 rushing TD's). It didn't look like much because the passing game over shadowed it and there was so much of it that the running game was really clean-up. Also they split it up between 3 or 4 RB's and 2 or 3 TE's So total yards are thin to say the least especially for each person. The QB Bradford did great. He broke one record and Tied another. For his "opener" he was great, just like was Colt McCoy last year (I'm not comparing the 2). Bradford's efficiency is (after the Miami game) number one in the nation at 237.7 points (ESPN.com stat leaders). As for putting in the secondary, I seem to remember that they played all 3 QB's (almost at least a full quarter each), and they pretty much cleared the bench. They had guys that still didn't have thier names on thier jerseys yet playing in the game. But OU fans I know how you feel, you want to say hey we looked good. But I know you are also saying but were we that good or was UNT that bad. Since any team can have its good and bad days you won't really know until you win the NC. That will confirm everything. Think about this: before the OU-Miami game everyone was saying that it was the real test for OU and that would tell you how you are playing. But now that it was a blow-out they (by the way I mean sports writers and such) are saying that Miami is just horrible this year and they have a new coach. I know Miami fans blame everything on Coker (It was funny a few years ago when he came in as head coach all the Miami fans talked about how great he was and him winning the NC in his first year proved it, oh how the tides have turned). I have a friend that did nothing but hype Coker. All I said was "Don't buy into the hype. He is using someone else's recruits. Give him about 3 years then tell me how great he is." Now they are doing the same with Shannon. The only problem is is that Shannon will have to recruit to get a team like Stoops did. Remember OU fans you won't be in Miami to play them till 09' so watch his recruiting and thier playing next year. Also it is in Pro-Player Stadium instead of the original Orange Bowl. That has something to with the dirt in the field for the baseball games as being a problem. It is suppose to be changed by the time OU comes but you never know. Also Miami WILL NOT forget that you hung 51 on them. They will make it a revenge thing even if they aren't NC caliber by that time. That will be the game to watch that year. As for the OU-Miami game I did see some flaws in the OU defense. I just couldn't get over why OU couldn't stop that damn 10 to 13 yrd pass to the center. To see them do it over and over on one drive drove me up the wall. It's like "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me", but 3, 4, etc... other times, did the defensive coach that handles this fall asleep? Don't get me wrong I'm not raging on any coaches. It is just a weakness that OU has to work on. I'm sure they will too. On another note when people say "That team (insert team)is a crappy team anyway." Just look at Appy. St.. It seems to me that one team had a great day and another had a bad day. That spells upset in any book. Last year who would have though the UCLA would beat USC,... noone. Everyone thought if anyone in the PAC 10 was going to beat USC it would be CAL. Last year Michigan cried about being in the NC game with Ohio St. because thier only loss was to Ohio St.. After Appy. St. (now Oregon)what is everyone saying? Like Lennie said "It's entertainment". But Lennie the controvery can be fun, especially after what happened to Michigan form one year to the next. I remember all the controvery in 03' (04' NC game) when USC cried (especially Pete Carrol) about being in the NC game instead of OU. I won't get into that, but I will get into the after effects. The AP is so involved with thier beloved USC that tehy had to give them a "share" of the national title and the AP also pulled out of the BCS computer ranking system. They said that they felt that the BCS wasn't fair and they didn't want their rankings to be used in the computers computation for polls anymore. The funny thing is is that the next year when the same problem arose and Auburn (who went undefeated even after thier bowl game) was in the same boat I didn't see the AP give a "share" of USC's NC to Auburn. Life isn't fair and things aren't fair. My point is that this year if OU, LSU, and USC go undefeated, I believe OU will get the short end of the stick. USC has the AP on thier side and LSU has the Hype of the SEC strength to help them (I'm not saying they aren't the best conference or not, I'm talking reality of polling perception). I do want OU to remember the last time you had such a good year while hanging half a hundies on teams (I think 7 including 77-0 on Texas A&M), you made USC cry the AP cry and leave and give a share, all while you shouldn't have lost to Kansas St. and IMO shouldn't have lost to LSU, even with Jason White plaing with a sprained ankle and wrist (or something like that). OU did look like they were making a comeback but just didn't have enough time. But again don't get too comfortable with winning so big too soon. It can definitely come back and bite you in the rear. The past will tell you that (it was funny last year watching the USC players before the UCLA game playing around on the field all kicking field-goals before the game. They thought it was a gimme, the news said so right. Now Michigan). I think I may have gone on too long, sorry everyone. I would like to say that I'm sure "most" OU fans were cheering for UT to beat USC. Why not it makes OU look good to be a rival with a recent NC team.
Quick (if I remember right) facts:
BCS conference NC (winners and losers):
Big 12: 3 teams played in 5 NC, 2 NC wins.
SEC: 3 teams played in 3 NC, 3 NC wins.
Big 10: 1 team played in 2 NC, 1 NC wins.
ACC: 1 team played in 3 NC, 1 NC win.
Big E.: 2 teams played in 3 NC, 1 NC win.*
Pac 10: 1 team played in 2 NC, 1 NC win.
*this is before Miami and Va. Tech came to the ACC so you can't count them as part of ACC or the picture would be different, and I don't mean in a better way by adding the Big E, to the ACC because FSU and Va. Tech played each other and FSU might not have won so much if Va Tech and Miami would have been there.I Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes or start anything. I had more to say but I think this was too long as it is. Sorry for that but I was trying to be non-biased. I hope it is read with that in mind. Have fun and enjoy your seasons!
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 12:51 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey if I am not mistaken Bobby, Tomcat, and Bevo Boy YOU ALL said the game was gone be close between OU & UM. If you think the game was gone be close then you have had to believe they were a least a decent team. Now the game is over it sounds like they are hinting Miami was no good from the get go. Do I think TCU is still a good team..Yes. They can still claim the Mountain West. ut defense made TCU coach look dazed and confused!
Non-Bias from Florida said:
posted on September 10, 2007 12:51 AM — 98.203.2.170 — link — abuse?
Just two more things I forgot. You really can't use facts or stats from a previous year to back up the team of this year in College Football (ex. Michigan). It is too fluid. And you can't use rankings at the beginning of the year either (again ex. Michigan). There shouldn't be ranking at the beginning (BCS rankings don't start till week 3), they are all biased anyway and going off of the previous years team and most likely the best are in the NFL by now. So early ranking are not accurate. That is why we play the game to make it more accurate by the end of the year.
Non-Bias from Florida said:
posted on September 10, 2007 1:09 AM — 98.203.2.170 — link — abuse?
Exactly Lennie, everything is too up and down from game to game to really get a good hold it. I do want to know how everyone feels about the Nebraska-USC game. I for one want USC to lose because of the whole AP thing. What do you think Nebraskas' chances are. I'm hoping that Nebraska was just looking ahead in the last game.
Non-Bias from Florida said:
posted on September 10, 2007 1:21 AM — 98.203.2.170 — link — abuse?
One good thing about LSU for the OU fans. Most likely they will have to play Florida twice, hopefully (and that is a big hopefully) it will be one and one. Then you guys will see an OU-USC game most likely.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 1:30 AM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
YOU ARE RIGHT! I am not gone say OU is a definite in. ut fans can back me up on this if they want or not...injuries! LSU, Florida, West Virginia, OU, and ut will have the hardest road. USC the easiest! That is why I hope Arizona State and California gets better! I do not know if Oregon as to USC. They really was "toying" with Michigan rather than playing them!
Bobby said:
posted on September 10, 2007 9:31 AM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
Lennie, here's the deal, we both think that we were playing each others opponent down. I never said Miami was not a quality win. They had a high ranking D. ou made them look like they were running in cement shoes on ice. I thought you were playing ut's win down that's when I started talking ranks. ou looks great..ut looked alot better but still has enough work to do to be a contender. I think the OC is learning from out mistakes and making changes. Last comment then I personally done with ou and ut..unless it's regarding future games and play. ou looks dominant I still think they should watch out, they still have a freshmen QB and as good as he looks ou will eventually find themselves in a fight and he "could" make some freshmen mistakes, they all do. ou looks to be a tyopical Bob Stoops dominating team.
OU-Ron
posted on September 10, 2007 10:41 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@170 Bobby, you're right about somewhere down the road, OU will find themselves in a fight, that goes for all teams, texas looked to be back in form the second half with TCU, looked to be confused in the first half. I am glad they won the game, as I said before, it will be great for both teams to be undefeated when they meet.
It's Great to be a Sooner.c-dogg said:
posted on September 10, 2007 1:00 PM — 76.188.187.185 — link — abuse?
(#163) Non-bias,
I don't know who you are....but you got some pretty good post. It was long, but good. You should Blog for a living (if you don't already).
I'm a Canes fan. What you said about us made a lot of sense. I always felt that Coker's true coaching skills would show once he got his recruits in. Now Shannon is doing a great job recruiting so far, but those are just verbal commitments. He did land RB Cooper out of New Jersey last year on short notice (he looked good for a freshman against OU). Where the 08' kids sign in February is what really matters.
Go Canes!
Bobby said:
posted on September 10, 2007 1:20 PM — 146.6.158.10 — link — abuse?
OU-Ron, completely agree. If the roles were reversed I would not want ou to come into the game limping. UT needs to watch out for UCF, not saying they're good but UT as of lately has a penchant for letting lesser teams run with them...take all games after K-state for instance. Non-biased enjoyed your post. I've been bad about long posts so you made me feel better. I know nothing about Utah St., I can say with a certain level of confidence that maybe their defense will game plan more than just trying to rattle the freshman qb. i've read on some sites that that is the reason ou has been deadly on the pass is because their trying to get to Bradford.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 2:13 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
If you compare Sam Bradford's first 2 starts as a freshman to Cult McCoy's first 2 starts as a freshman I believe Sam Bradford's stats are better. Sam braford's first 2 starts this year his stats are better than Cult McCoy's. I would like someone who is non bias to look it up for ut fans cause they will not believe me! Sam Bradford WILL NOT GET PROPS because he plays for OU. The media has love for only USC, ut, Norte Dame, and SEC good teams! Bobby...If OU does not score 50+ points on Utah State then they need to just quit the rest of the season. That should give you a hint about Utah State.
OU-Ron
posted on September 10, 2007 4:28 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
@167 Non-Bias, I know SC has excellent athletes and 3 and 4 deep at each position, Nebraska has improved each year under Calahan, even though he still makes some bonehead mistakes like he did Saturday against Wake. The game is at Nebraska and I think they have been waiting for this one and remembering the loss at SC last year. I don’t know if Nebraska will beat them, but I would guess it will be a closer game than anyone expects.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 4:38 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Non-Bias after what you said in comment #163 I am surprised you ask that! I am going for NEBRASKA. I hope the Scarlet & Cream beat USC and beat'em bad. Da Big 12 ain't gettin' any love from the sports announcers despite what OU, and ut are doin'! I hope Oregon and California beat'em (USC) as well. Take care.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 10, 2007 7:37 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, as to what you said about me downplaying um after they had the snot beat out of them by ou, let me ask you something. Did you think Michigan would be a contender in 2007? If you did, do you still think that now? Granted, ou is a lot better than app. st. and oregon, but if you're going to compete then you should be able to play with the best, if not win. I'm not saying that I think um could contend this year, but I am saying that they weren't nearly as good as I thought. Now you're thinking, "What about the ut vs. ark. st. game?" They could have just had a bad game like ut did, but I don't think that a good football team could be beaten by a top 5 team as badly as they were and bounce back right away. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think there is any way that miami can bounce back from a big loss like that.
Non-Bias from Florida said:
posted on September 10, 2007 9:45 PM — 98.203.2.170 — link — abuse?
Ok, I have some stats for you. Bear with me if it seems like there is some lack in some of UT's explanation, it has been a year and it was hard enough to get what I have. OU is current so I could get more info (not just stats). I will do the first game of OU and UT first since they are BOTH AGAINST THE SAME TEAM, UNT.
UT's Colt Mccoy's first game freshman start stats 2006:
Against UNT: 12 of 19 for 178 yards, 3 TD's, Rushed 4 times for 38 yards and 1 TD. 63.2% passing. (1st time since 1944 UT 'freshman starter' won the season opener.)OU's Sam Bradford's first game freshman start stats 2007:
Against UNT: 21 of 23 for 363 yards, 3 TD's, Rushed 2 times for 10 yards. 91.3% passing. (Sam Bradford broke Josh Heupel's record from 2000 with 350 yards in the 1st half. Then tied Jason White's record of 18 strait completions. Sam was removed after the first "tieing" pass in the beginning of the 3rd quarter. Sam had 20 of 22 for 350 yards in the 1st half. Joey Halzle played the 3rd quarter and some of the 4th then Keith Nichol finished out the 4th quarter with no passes attempted.)To make it easier to see I will Post the second game separately.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 9:56 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
Hey Bevo Boy I ain't gone go have a change of cause everyone else is doin' it. I thought Michigan was gone take da Big 11. I picked OU to play West Virginia in da National Title game. Non-Bias from Florida that can't be true ut is better than OU so that can't be. Cult McCoy is better, better, better! Sam Bradford is worse, worse, worse! Check 'em again so ut fans want think it is the world against 'em and their team! Sam Bradford from Texas, yeah that's it he's from Texas so that's why he's good! Yeah!
Non-Bias from Florida said:
posted on September 10, 2007 10:23 PM — 98.203.2.170 — link — abuse?
Now on to the second game.
UT's Colt McCoy's second game freshman start stats 2006:
Against Ohio State: 19 of 32 for 154 yards, 1 TD. 4 rushes for 8 yards. 1 int, 1 sack. 59.4% passing.OU's Sam Bradford's second game freshman start stats 2007:
Against Miami: 19 of 25 for 205 yards, 5 TD's. 2 rushes for -5 yards. 76% passing. (played 3 quarters.)I will give you the Passing efficiency rating for both teams and both games here:
UT's Colt McCoy pass eff. 1st game in 06: 133.3
OU's Sam Bradford pass eff. 1st game in 07: 266.92
UT's Colt McCoy pass eff. 2nd game in 06: 69
OU's Sam Bradford pass eff. 2nd game in 07: 210.88
I hope this helps give some people the infomation they were looking for.
Lennie Collins said:
posted on September 10, 2007 11:19 PM — 68.93.134.47 — link — abuse?
ut fans will not comment on this for sure! Sam Branford at this rate might have a better year than Cult McCoy. Austin sports announcers are not gone mention this for sure. They are talking about last years games he won not the Ohio State and Texas A&M games of course. MAN...10/06 can't get here fast enough!
Non-Bias from Florida said:
posted on September 10, 2007 11:50 PM — 98.203.2.170 — link — abuse?
Fun Facts on USC's QB's vs Colt McCoy.
John D. Booty 07: 21/32 for 206, 65.6%, 3 TD's, 1 int's, 144.4 eff. rating. (this was against Idaho.)
John D. Booty 06: 269/436 for 3347, 61.7%, 29 TD's, 9 int's, 144.0 eff. rating.
Matt Leinart 05: 283/431 for 3815, 65.7%, 28 TD's, 8 int's, 157.7 eff. rating.
Matt Leinart 04: 264/412 for 3322, 65.3%, 33 TD's, 6 int's, 156.6 eff. rating.
UT:
Colt McCoy 06: 217/318 for 2570, 68.2%, 29 TD's, 7 int's, 161.8 eff. rating.Colt had a better rating in his first year than Matt in his last 2 years.
Bevo Boy said:
posted on September 11, 2007 3:31 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
Lennie, right now Colt McCoy is having a bad year. He's making stupid mistakes and already almost has as many picks as last year. If he continues at his current pace, he'll reach it in a game and a half. I'm not saying Bradford isn't good, I haven't seen enough to judge him, though he has to be doing well if Non-Bias's stats are right. I'm just saying don't get too far ahead of yourself. You want to see how he'll handle himself in a high-pressure situation first. If he does well in the Red River Rivalry, then I will be convinced that you have an excellent qb at OU.
Bobby said:
posted on September 11, 2007 9:59 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Non-bias good info. One thing I didn't see was the quality of teams in each of their second games. Colt had #1 Ohio St. Bradford had unranked Miami. Now before ou fans start ripping me I have given Bradford his props but I think that the quality of teams played is a big factor. You guys act like Colt is a bad QB...He got freshman of the year! His numbers were better than Leinarts. He's been out of his game since his injury at K-State, but he's gonna get back to form soon. He's a gritty leader and a damn good QB ....he beat you guys last year as a freshmen right?
genesauto said:
posted on September 11, 2007 11:56 PM — 67.64.159.147 — link — abuse?
I hope this Allen Michael Beckett, Federal Auditor, Church Deacon, (& a likely pedophile), gets only 5 years in this case. That gives him more time to cross the border into Texas and commit a felony here. (It's easily arranged.) Then he'll go to TDC where he'll remain. (I.E. His remains will remain.) Just without the family jewels. They'll be in his crap, cause once the convicts in TDC hear about what he did, he'll be made to eat his own nuts and still have time to crap them out before he makes the final journey.
Bobby said:
posted on September 17, 2007 10:27 PM — 70.112.114.73 — link — abuse?
Bevo Boy...I think that Greg Davis really needs to revamp the offensive game plan. McCoy needs to get confidence back in is deep ball. He is struggling, and a run game that is up and down doesn't help. The offensive line needs to get a better push. Bobino and Killibrew need to be out Muckelroy, Norton, or Kindle in. And good grief Akina slow down on all the blitzing especially when they blow the assignment half the time. I love my team but this team just has too many questions to be a real competitor this season. I pray that GD will leave but the higher ups will not put any pressure on Brown until we get blown out a couple of times or lose 4 or 5 games. I kinda wish we'd get it over with so we could move on and not have to see this horrible offense on the field anymore. Bevo Boy I know you think I might be a hater but IMO we need to lose some games and get blasted before changes will be made. Our kind of talent doesn't match the game plan. We have lots of talent and it's the individual talent that has kept us from losing all three games. You know that GD had to be loving his gameplan after TCU....what about UCF? It's not working. What say you Bevo?
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gatorstud said:
posted on August 24, 2007 8:47 AM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?all i can say is "OUCH"......i have been in some heated exchanges about rivalries, but never have i thought about trying to rip someones testis from their body.....that is sssooooo wrong on so many different levels that i can't even mention.....lol
go gators....and hokies..
p.s. is anyone else having problems posting??????