January 21, 2008
OU spin machine defends Sooners bowl streak
Bob Stoops winter of discontent has now stretched to four straight BCS bowl losses. The new January tradition has Stoops looking anywhere and everywhere for help.
Under that anywhere and everywhere mantra, The Daily Oklahoman reports that Stoops recently chatted up fellow BCS kicked dog... Ohio State head coach Jim Tressel.
Stoops last week again admitted no clue on a diagnosis. Said he had chatted with Ohio State coach Jim Tressel, whose Buckeyes have been blown out in consecutive national-title games. Tressel told Stoops that Ohio State made wholesale changes in prep work for this Big Bowl compared to last year's. To no avail.
To his credit, Bob Stoops is leaving no stone unturned in attempting to find a cure for the Sooners' BCS blues. He has been honest -- sometimes brutally honest -- in his self-evaluations and steps up to shoulder the blame for the recent OU bowl record.
"Anything you bring up is an excuse, so I'm not much for sitting here talking about it."When you sit back and reflect, obviously we've done a great job of getting to that point. ... Maybe we haven't done as great a job of: It isn't just about winning Big 12 championship, it's about winning bowl the game."
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"I think as much as anything, we haven't handled success as well as maybe some other people have," Stoops said. "You look at some of these teams that are in the bowl games that have done well, maybe they've got a chip on their shoulder. They've been told for a month they aren't worthy."
Stoops said there are a number of factors that he's examining to determine why the Sooners have come up short in the last two Fiesta Bowls and before that in the 2005 Orange and 2004 Sugar bowls.
"You do have to speculate. Is there any one thing? It's hard to say. So you look at everything," Stoops said.
And The Daily Oklahoman in general (and columnist Berry Tramel, specifically) are more than willing to sing Stoops' praises from the mountaintop -- bowl record be damned -- by contrasting Stoops' bowl drought against those of hall of fame coaches.
He's not alone. Many a memorable football coach has slumped in bowls.Georgia legend Vince Dooley lost four straight bowls, including a Cotton and Sugar, from 1974-78. He ended the streak by beating Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl for the 1980 national title.
Jackie Sherrill lost four straight at Mississippi State, Doug Dickey four straight at Florida and Charley McClendon lost four straight at LSU.
John Cooper lost four straight at Ohio State, Mike Bellotti four straight at Oregon and Lloyd Carr four straight at Michigan, including three Rose Bowls.
George Welsh, in the shadows at Navy and Virginia but one of the great coaches of the last 50 years, had two four-bowl losing streaks. But West Virginia's Don Nehlen trumped that, with an eight-bowl losing streak.
OK... so the spin machine is fired up... and then moves into high gear.
Three coaches were masters at bowl bungling. Three coaches were so hapless in bowl stretches, they make Bob Stoops look like Mister January.Bear Bryant...
Oh, brother. Here we go with the Bear Bryant spin. Brace yourselves....
Bear Bryant... Eight years, 0-7-1 bowl record, including 0-5 in major bowls.Then, the Bear turned it around. His final eight bowls: 7-1, with two national titles and 5-1 in major bowls.
Schembechler's bowl slump was worse: 0-7 from 1969 through 1978. Michigan was 0-5 in the Rose Bowl, 0-1 in the Orange (losing to OU) and 0-1 in the Gator.
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He became what most coaches will become if given enough time: .500 in bowls. Schembechler was 5-5 in his last 10 bowls.
Ah-ha! See there Sooner fans... if you just believe the spin machine, you too can hope for a .500 record!
In seven straight seasons, 1987 through 1993, Nebraska lost a bowl game. A Fiesta, an Orange, another Fiesta, a Citrus then three straight Oranges.And Tom Osborne's defeats weren't all that competitive. Losses by 20, 24, 24, 22 and 13 points.
Osborne was the coach who couldn't win the big one. An 8-13 bowl record. No national championships. A good coach, they said, not great.
But the seventh of those seven straight bowl losses was a thriller, an 18-16 loss to Florida State in the 1994 Orange Bowl.
Osborne coached only four more seasons. In those years his teams went 60-2 and won three national titles. The Huskers were 4-0 in bowls, winning 24-17, 62-24, 41-21 and 42-17.
Nebraska went from wretched in bowl games to regal. From woeful to epic.
That should make the OU fans rest easier in Norman. If they hang in there and not get too down because Stoops has lost four straight BCS games, they may one day be just like Nebraska.
Something tells me that Sooners have something more in mind that just mimicking the Cornhuskers.
Bob Stoops is one hell of a coach. He's one of the best in the country - without question. But his teams aren't performing in the big bowl games. He knows it and the Sooner nation knows it.
So why the heck is the spin machine out in full force??
Comments:
posted on January 22, 2008 11:21 AM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
I love that Stoops steps up to this. It's one of his best qualities and (in my opinion) one of the things that makes Okies love him so much. That and the wins, of course.
The bowl game thing has to get fixed. I'm sure Stoops is up to the task.
OU-Ron
posted on January 22, 2008 11:53 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
Kev, I don’t think anyone is more disappointed than Stoops, he wants to win not only because it’s good for his resume, but I think he truly cares for the players and their future.
There will always be a few Idiot fans that will want him fired, but the majority of all the Oklahoma fans will stand behind him.
There may not be a lot of other fans from other schools admit it right now, since I’m sure they feel the same about their coach, but if they were to lose their coach for any reason, I think the majority would like to have Stoops. ( Even the Texas fans ) JMO
Lennie Collins
posted on January 22, 2008 12:32 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Hey OU Ron what you said in the last line in Post #3 is true. When Oklahoma had that 5 game win streak the sports announcers stated that UT should try to hire Robert Stoops from OU. Hey UT hired Darrell Royal so if they hired a former player UT would have no problem hiring a former coach. I am just wanting to see what Texas Longhorns fans will post here. When William Brown could not beat OU in that 5 year period a few wanted him gone but when UT won that National Title all was forgotten! He will turn it around I feel. He has a great recruiting class coming in and a "lite" schedule this year. National Title team? BCS?
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 22, 2008 1:25 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Lennie i give credit where credit is due. Stoops is a hell of a coach. I think it's a little unfair to judge how good he is as a coach based on what he does in his Bowl games, but unfortunately we all know well it's what people look at the most.
When OU was kicking our a$$ every year during that 5 year stretch i will admit that there were many of us calling for Mack's head especially that 12-0 game our first shutout since like before i was born. Most of those years that was the only loss that kept Texas from competing for a Big 12 title and a National Championship except for 2001 when we shot ourselves in the foot, thanks Chris Simms!
When OU is the only team that's beating you, you start to wonder what in the hell Greg Davis and Mack are thinking every October. You know winning a championship and finally beating OU would cure everything! Why wouldn't it? If Bob would have come to Texas im sure everyone would have wondered what in the hell he would be thinking. But i love Mr. Royal and really it didn't matter to me that he was a former Boomer star.It's a good thing OU has a "lite" schedule, because our's looks pretty scary. T
he trouble we had last year with the likes of Ark St and UCF hopefully will be a bitter memory, because if we play that way this year we will be screwed. It may a long, long year. I have faith that the coaches will shake things up and have the 2008 squad ready for battle. HookEmHorns!
Zac said:
posted on January 22, 2008 2:28 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
My Opinion: Bob Stoops & the OK football program are without any doubt among the nation’s elite. When you look at his over-all record since taking over the program, the numbers don’t lie. OK, he’s had a bad streak regarding bowl games.
Q: What has been the prominent argument against some team trying to claim elite-hood based upon defeating a recognized program in a bowl game?
A: It’s just one game!!! From an over-all stand-point it proves nothing. It only supports what we’ve all said at one time or another, “…on any given day…”
You all read it. WVU’s, Don Nehlan, reputed to be one of the best head coaches of his day lost 8 consecutive bowl trips. Only 2 of those would be considered BCS caliber today. Competition in the lower tier bowls isn’t always evenly matched; the Mountaineers underachieved on at least half of those occasions. Then, you have ND. It may have taken 3 different coaches, but the Irish have lost 9 consecutive bowl games.
By Contrast, OK not only has half only half of either of those streaks going, but since Stoops has taken over, the Sooners have practically made a living in the BCS post season. That’s where nothing but the highest competition exists. I would much prefer a streak of losses in BCS bowls than an equal streak of say Motor City bowls wins.
Bob Stoops, his staff, his players, and the OK faithful have nothing to be ashamed of. This streak is simply that and nothing more, a streak. It’ll turn around eventually, and God help the college football world when it does. Boomer Sooner!!! & Go Mountaineers!!!
Tomcat said:
posted on January 22, 2008 2:37 PM — 70.242.185.82 — link — abuse?
Hey 40 acres & Lennie
post # 7 your right, there is no other rivalry in the country that has a bigger impact on a national scale than UT vs OU.
Lennie The different streaks etc etc change and really dont mean alot. OU is a respected opponent and the UT fans love to see OU get beat.
UT 4 straight bowl wins
OU 4 straight bowl loses
Okay Lennie fire away buddy
Lennie when you were refering to great recruiting class & lite schedule- I thought you were talking about UT please clarify
Hookem-Horns
Adios Tomcat
Tomcat said:
posted on January 22, 2008 2:51 PM — 70.242.185.82 — link — abuse?
Zac good post,theres nothing wrong in Norman
06 OU 11-3 UT 10-3
07 OU 11-3 UT 10-3
Red River game is in October- Bowls are in Janurary- Sometimes a team is better early
Your right about any given day and every game is different
Like OU beat Miami, UT and Missu twice
loses to TTech,Colo and WV ?
Same can be said for UT or WV
Hookem-HornsZac said:
posted on January 22, 2008 5:48 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, thanks for the props. I think it's safe to say there's nothing wrong in Austin, either. I also think there may be something to the lay-off between the regular season and a team's bowl date. Still, it takes 2 teams to prepare for the same game; one has to win and one has to lose; it's the way the game is geared. I can't help feeling if a team wins a big game, and people say it's just one game; then, when a team loses a big game, people should be able to say the same thing.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 22, 2008 7:17 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Bevo and Tomcat whatever happened to OU having to pretty much give up all their wins in 2005 due to the whole Bomar scandal? Did that ever take effect, and does that include that bowl game? Bevo OU did beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl in 2005 that's why i was wondering if that game still counts.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 22, 2008 7:41 PM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
Even though we won a title and yall had kind of a dismal season (i did have fun making fun of my wife's BFF who is a Boomer the entire year for that loss to TCU) i still think that was a little harsh of a penalty.
Lennie Collins
posted on January 22, 2008 11:50 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Tomcat Post #9 the blog is about Oklahoma not UT. Oklahoma non-conference schedule this year, 2-0-0-8 is a joke. As I said before and I didn't st-st-stutter, I knew a UT fan had to say something negative and TOMCAT you mentioning thoses bowl wins and losses like it is suppose to mean something? Robert Stoops said years ago OU is about winning NATIONAL TITLES. I guess UT fans are content with Holiday Bowls victories. That is probably what UT will be playing for for the next few years. Tomcat how ya like that! If step to me keep it real or bust!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 12:09 AM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
Are you serious Lennie? I sure as hell aint content with holiday bowl victories, but i would rather win a bowl than get embarassed in front of the whole damn country as OU has done here lately. I would love to win Big 12 titles with the regularity that OU does, but what does it matter when you win your conference, but then go on and embarass yourself against supposed inferior teams? I know even though Texas has only appeared in 2 BCS bowl games, but they also happened to be probably the 2 best Rose Bowls ever played.
Lennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 12:21 AM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
40 Acres of Burnt Orange , Yes I am. Remember when Texas played Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl and Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl before they were called BCS bowls? That is what I am talking about! UT fans don't remember those games BUT they can sure talk about OU. Hey if you think those were the best Rose Bowls ever...your opinion! I don't agree. Before they call them BCS bowls Texas was winning the Big XII and losing their bowl games BUT Texas fans said at least we won the Big XII. Now OU is winning the BIG XII and losing their bowl games it's now an embarassment? If you you gone step to me, keep it real or bust! Nothin' personal, it's just facts. Cannot us all get along?
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 12:37 AM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
Lennie yeah i remember UT getting burned by the Nittany Lions and by the Hokies, but i thought we were talking bout the modern BCS system? Where obviously Texas is a little more victorious than OU , and I would much rather (if we have to) lose to Penn St and V-Tech rather than Boise St and WVU. Tell me another Rose Bowl more exciting that the ones against Michigan and USC, and if you mention 03 against Wasington St im gonna puke. Trust me Lennie i never come without the facts buddy i didn't get my degree from a small community college. All time bowl wins and national titles obviously go the crimson and cream way besides the 2 titles that were "bought" in 74 and 75.
wvu_lifer
posted on January 23, 2008 12:43 AM — 75.109.107.108 — link — abuse? said:
40 Acres,
Calm down, and leave WVU out of this. We've been slandered enough. Not to mention we're better than all 3 teams you mentioned! Not starting an argment, but we could have beaten all 3 teams you mentioned this and the past few years.
Peace!Lennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 12:50 AM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Of course UT fans want to mention the last 5 years. A loss is a loss, it does not matter by whom or where! The Rose Bowl between Oklahoma and Washington State...no! I am not bias like most UT fans. Please tell me how much Oklahoma paid for those titles! Come with facts or nothing! I will make you feel better as well as all UT fans. Barry Switzer "cheated" and WON! Fred Ackers "cheated" and still lost Eric Dickerson to SMU. When Miami beat Nebraska 31-30 that was and will be the best bowl game...IN MY OPINION ONLY! Texas win 4 bowl games in a row and Texas fans think that UT is the...I ain't gon say it!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 12:55 AM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
wvu_lifer if the WVU of those times could have beaten the 2006 Boise St, 1995 Virginia Tech, and 1997 Penn St i would love to hear it. Im obviously not talking about the WVU of 2007. Even though the 1988 WVU team lost to Lou Holtz and the last Notre Dame team that meant a damn. You guys have shown you can play well in BCS bowl, but this obviously a discussion between teams that have won National Championships.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 1:07 AM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
Lennie i was talking Rose Bowls not all bowls such as the 84 Orange Bowl you mentioned. You will find that i am one of the most non- biased fans you will meet. I only simply stated the facts i know and enjoy friendly conversation until someone wants to start talking trash. But i guess being banned from bowl games in 73 and 74 and television appearances in 74 and 75 duesto 2 years ncaa probation for recruiting violations doesn't count right? Considering you guys won titles in 74 and 75?
wvu_lifer
posted on January 23, 2008 1:36 AM — 75.109.107.108 — link — abuse? said:
Darn it, maybe next year i can play with the big boys, lol! I did't know you were speaking historicly, sorry for just jumpin' in, but WVU was mentioned, this years WVU squad or the non bowl OU victory in '82?
And we were balnked 27-0 by the '95 Va Tech team......... damn turkies!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 1:42 AM — 76.182.205.22 — link — abuse? said:
I guess Lennie retired for the night as will I. wvu_lifer no need for apologies they need to bring back the Battle for the Black Diamond Trophy yall play against Virginia Tech my buddy from Morgantown hates the turkey's with a passion! Goodnight to all. HookEmHorns!
OU-Ron
posted on January 23, 2008 10:32 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
Imagine that, this thread turning into an OU vs Texas thing. Who would have thought it?
OK, here goes, 40 Acres, it’s really simple---all that has to happen for Texas to play in more BCS bowls is win the conference, that’s all Texas has to do and they can go to the big dance.
It’s easy for you or any other Texas fan to say it’s embarrassing to get beat by BS or WVU, but until Texas play them, it’s all babble bevo s@#t.
You don’t know how Texas would have come out playing those two teams until they play them. I agree OU should have beat BS, but if you think WV is a push over, you need to think again.
Again, win the conference, and Texas can’t do that by losing to K State, ATM, and OU…
posted on January 23, 2008 10:37 AM — link — abuse? said:
all that has to happen for Texas to play in more BCS bowls is win the conference, that’s all Texas has to do and they can go to the big dance.
Heh. That argument should pretty much shut down sane Texas fans.
The GOOD news OU-Ron, is that no one is really taking shots at Stoops. So... you got the right guy in place. He just needs to get his sh*t in order for the bowls.
Lennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 10:56 AM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Hey OU Ron Post #33 why did you have to post a comment like that? It's true but a waste of print! Texas Longhorns fans ain't gone want ta read that. All they gone do is come with more insults and we(UT) are(is) all that and a lot more non-sense! I am tired, I will say it loud and again, I am tired of all this our team would have beat this team non-sense. This is not directed at just Texas Longhorns fans BUT all fans including Oklahoma Sooners fans as well. Texas has won 4 Bowl Games in a row and Texas Longhorns Fans have their chest stuck out and tail feathers spread out like the NBC peacock like they are the kings of college football. I agreed with what the 40 Acres of Burnt Orange had to say until he tried to sneak an insult in. Hey 40 Acres of Burnt Orange I can read between the lines! The way Texas Longhorns junior football players are jumping into the NFL draft...UT fans should wait after the OU game in October to talk blogs of (I ain't gone say it!) Yes 40 Acres of Burnt Orange I said forget the non-sense i ain't gone stay up til dawn hearing how Barry Switzer paid or cheated for a National Title in 1974 and 1975. I guess that makes Longhorns National feel good to pass that (Ain't gone say it) down from generation to generation. Come with actual dates, times, and sale receipts then all Sooners fans can be quiet and Barry Switzer will be tainted forever and we can all move forward! Until when Texas Longhorns fans mention it...you sound like a bunch of fools that can't except the fact OU was better in the 70's and UT basicially vanished in that era! Take care and remember it ain'ts nuthin' personal...it's only college football, DOGGONE IT!
wvu_lifer
posted on January 23, 2008 11:27 AM — 75.109.107.108 — link — abuse? said:
For some reason, no. I've gotten along with the fans at the game. It's the players flying us fans the bird that we got all riled about. Thier fans for the most part are very nice. The older ones anyway. The ones who can appreciate a rivalry, without being foul! I'd take a Hokie to diner b4 a Panther any day!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 12:40 PM — 192.91.75.30 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Lennie and OU Ron I obviously understand what Texas has to do to get into BCS bowls come on now. That is true who knows how the Horns would have stacked up against Boise St and WVU we will never know. Lennie I don't feel high and mighty after winning 4 bowl games besides the 2 Rose Bowl's.
Winning 2 mediocre bowls is better than losing BCS bowls though in my opinion. Also Lennie you are the one that brought Switzer into the arguement so you should have known i was going to elaborate on that seeming how you enjoy it immensly everytime i do.
I will admit Texas football was pretty bad in the 70's, but of course all programs have their highs and lows. I never knew that towards the end of the Switzer era a couple of his own players broke into his house. Man that's pretty f&*%ed up!
OU-Ron
posted on January 23, 2008 1:41 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
40Acres, I suppose that’s why everyone is entitled to their opinion, if all opinions were the same, there would be no need for discussions.
My opinion is that’s it’s better to win your conference and go to a BCS bowl, win or lose, your team had what it takes to get there.
I could be wrong, but I think the majority of the fans feel the same way, but I don’t think I am…
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 2:34 PM — 192.91.75.29 — link — abuse? said:
OU Ron it all comes down to winning to me. Obviously it is great to win your conference since that is the first goal you set your sights on every year, that and winning the Shootout! But to me it comes down to winning. I mean what does it matter making it to the big boy bowl's if you aint hoisting the hardware at the end?
Speaking of bowl's hopefully the Cotton Bowl will one day be added to the BCS bowl picture. It suprises me to this day that it wasn't originally included considering all the history there. As you said we all have our own opinions and that's what keeps us coming back here every day.
Lennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 4:45 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
40 Acres of Burnt Orange Post #40 now that's the 40 Acres of Burnt Orange I remember...talking with some sense. Post #41...I ain't trying to be disrespectful but haven't you heard that I think in 2014 the Cowboys new stadium will be in the rotation for the National Title game. Not the Cotton Bowl even though the game moves there in 2010. I could be wrong on the years but it is going to happen.
Lennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 5:03 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
OU Ron, Post #44 I am talking to 40 Acres of Burnt Orange. I don't expect any Longhorns fans to talk good about the Sooners. Hey I have a hard time saying good things about UT, well let me stop lying, I can't say anything good about the UT program. The man is entitled to his opinion regardless if it makes sense to you or me!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 5:22 PM — 192.94.94.105 — link — abuse? said:
@ 43 Lennie don't you think it would make sense though after the new cowboy's stadium opens and the cotton bowl moves there to add the cotton bowl to the BCS? It just makes too much sense which is probably why the BCS won't do it. When do they ever make sense any more? I wish i could say something nice bout bobby and the boomers, but i just can't. By the way Lennie do you get harassed very much in Austin by the burnt orange nation?
Lennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 5:35 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
40 Acres of Burnt Orange Post #46 it is going to happen. The year...I don't know BUT it is being rotated in the PLUS ONE FORMAT. Jerry Jones got Arkansas/Texas A&M, Big 12 Championship, Super Bowl(s), Cotton Bowl, and soon...National Title Football Games! The year...I cannot remember. He will get OU/UT there...when? Don't know! I don't know what harassed means. I have worn my Sooners gear EVERY weekend during the football season since 1995 and when the season is over it goes on hangers to the closet until August. For the most part I don't have junk said to me BUT every year 1 chump has the courage to yell profanties at me. As long as they DO NOT put their hands on me and that includes throwing things OR insult my NOW 7 year old son...I don't care. If you where here with me...we could go to each other place and watch the game. I would eat your food and drink your sodas BUT I would not cheer for UT and I expecy you would do the same if you came to my pace to watch the game.
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 5:55 PM — 192.91.75.30 — link — abuse? said:
Lennie that's what i find odd. In Norman and College Station you don't dare where Burnt Orange, but in Austin its like to each his own. Even after we lost to ATM 2 years ago in Austin me and my uncle were at the Coyote Ugly getting drunk with a bunch of Aggies. I guess we felt sorry for them not beating us in 6 years has got to suck.
We know all about being at the losing end of a very similar streak. Im looking forward to eventually making my way back to Austin in the next couple of years by transferring to Austin PD after i get a little more time under my belt. Ill probably have to take a pay cut, but it would be worth it! No one should ever be expected to root against their team! That takes all the fun out of it.
Tomcat said:
posted on January 23, 2008 5:56 PM — 70.242.185.82 — link — abuse?
Hey Lennie Been gone a while, been kinda busy.
Its all good man-dont get shook up man.
Cant we all just get along
BTW My wife got me two books for Christmas
Running with the Big Dogs
The twisted history of Texas vs OU football
The other one is
Horns,Hogs,& Nixon Coming
Texas vs Arkansas
In Dixie's last stand
Hey Lennie If anything I was complementing OU
and I misread the original thread
OU beat Oregon in a bowl- sorry man my mistake
Adios Tomcat- a lifelong Longhorns Fan
Hookem-HornsTomcat said:
posted on January 23, 2008 6:10 PM — 70.242.185.82 — link — abuse?
#50 I really havent gotten too far on either one. Most of my reading was geared towards my class A State Wastewater license. Took the test last Monday- Brutal. Today other than hauling some animals to the Auction and a two hour callout has been one of my so-called days off.
Had to get on here and check yall out.
Hookem-HornsLennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 7:47 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Hey 40 Acres of Burnt Orange Post #48 I am sure there are Longhorns fans in those area that sport that gear. I believe 99% of fans just like to wear the gear because it looks good. It is that 1% who has low self esteem and have to use sports to feel good about themselves. I could care less. To go a step farther I gives a DOGGONE if a person wears a shirt with the confederate flag on it. Pay cut? Isn't Austin Police in the Top 5 in the state of Texas? Last I read it was Houston #1, Austin #2, Dallas and/or Fort Worth #3, Round Rock#4, and San Antonio #5. I could be wrong! Tomcat Post #49 I have been working hard and trying to expand my tarantula/scorpion collection. I can be on the phone/e-mail for 2 hours a day before I go to work to find the ones I want. After this Post I am gone get on it to find some more dealers then I lay down for 2 hours before I go in to work!
40 Acres of Burnt Orange
posted on January 23, 2008 8:08 PM — 192.94.94.105 — link — abuse? said:
Hey Tomcat i fell you man seems like nowadays you don't have time for anything let alone read a freaking book. It took me a couple of months to read the whole book!
Hey Lennie yeah i know what you mean i believe i said something about this on a post before about being in the Navy and hardly ever saw anyone wearing burnt orange, and then after that first rose bowl everyone and their mom was wearing it, but then people want to come and talk trash to the true fans for being bandwagon jumpers!
I still have the hospital pick from when i first born im wearing a little shirt that says "Future Longhorn" and been wearing burnt orange since.
Im not sure about Austin PD's pay in realtion to Dallas haven't really checked, but i think Dallas does pay more than Austin due to the fact that the crime rate here is higher than Austin
Lennie Collins
posted on January 23, 2008 8:18 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
40 Acres of Burnt Orange Post #54...I believe there is no REAL way to measure crime. I think Austin pays higher because of the politicians wanting to keep their "home" safe. Believe me there is a lot of crime here. The crime does not get "played" a lot like other cities. The Travis County Jail is overcrowded as you read this. Bastrop County is opening their expansion jail next month and Williamson County just open theirs a little less than 2 years ago. Hey I ain't questioning anyone fanhood here. I sported my Crimson and Cream gear when OU was on probation in the late 90's. I could not afford it growing up.
OU Fan said:
posted on January 24, 2008 2:16 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
Good morning OU and Texas fans. There is nothing better on fanblogs than OU and Texas fans going at it for blood. I enjoy reading you guys' posts. And beside what everyone thinks, OU-Texas is the BEST rivalry in college football, period. There is nothing that even comes close to it. And Jerry Jones can hope that his stunt of ATM-Arkansas will become larger than OU-Texas, but it never will. Now my opinions for the last 4 BCS bowl losses are as followed: OU-LSU: OU had a miraculous season in 2003. The Sooners destroyed everyone in their path. OU then makes it to the Big 12 Championship. Then K-State demolishes OU. The Sooners lost their mojo, and their loss of mojo carried with them into the national title game versus LSU. Not only that, but Jason White was not 100% healthy which was normal for White, and the Sooners lose to LSU by a respectful 21-14. And did I forget to mention that Jason White could have tied that game had he thrown the ball to wide open Kejuan Jones! OU-USC: The Sooners had another miraculous season in 2005. OU had a high ranking at the beginning of the season and the Sooners maintained their ranking by beating their opponents by big margins, not to mention that they beat Texas as well. Plus, their was the freshman sensation Adrian Peterson carrying the rock. The Sooners then made it to the Big 12 championship game again and looked extremely sharp in destroying Colorado. OU had momentum. Then, the Sooners made it to the national championship game for the second year in a row. OU scores early making the score 7-0 OU. Then USC ties it 7-7. Then if I remember correctly, a couple of posessions later, USC punts the ball. Then, I can't remember who, but an OU player muffs the punt and USC recovers. A play or 2 later, USC is up 14-7. To me, that muffed punt made the players lose their mojo. USC then shreads the OU defense. Final score-55-19. Now, the 2006 season was a different story. OU had lost their starting QB a month before the season and had to switch a Wide Receiver to QB, Paul Thompson. Paul Thompson was impressive, given the circumstances. Then midway through the season, OU loses Adrian Peterson. However, that didn't matter and OU finished the season on a positive note with a win over Nebraska giving the Sooners their 4th Big 12 title. OU then meets Boise State. Boise State strikes first and keeps the lead for pretty much the entire game. However, OU fights back. Also, remember that OU had to attempt the 2 point conversion 3 different times late in the game due to penalties. At the end of the game, OU intercepts the ball and returns it for a touchdown. OU is up 35-28. Then as we all know, Boise State performs the hook and ladder to perfection and ties the game with 7 seconds remaining, which then brings the game to Overtime. OU gets the ball first. Adrian Peterson scores on a long touchdown run and OU is up 42-35. Boise State then ties it with a ridiculous and 4th and goal touchdown. That touchdown made me sick. And then, Boise States make more history by running the Statue of Liberty to perfection. The OU-Boise State was probably the best game I have witnessed, but my team was on the loosing end. However, if OU fans want to blame someone for that loss, blame Lendi Holmes. If you rewatch that Statue of Liberty play, watch Holmes. Did I forget to mention that Bob Stoops won the Big 12 coach of the year that year? OU-West Virginia: OU had another good season, especially that OU had a freshman QB running the show. Bradford threw 36 touchdown passes, breaking McCoy's record of 29. Bradford also had the best passing efficiency for a QB. Sorry Tebow, Daniel, and Brennan. OU wins their fifth Big 12 championship, and goes on to play West Virginia. However, starters Reggie Smith, Malcolm Kelly, DeMarcus, Granger, and DeMarco Murry do not play in the game due to injuries and disciplinary actions. OU loses to West Virginia and the only excuses that I have are that OU missed too many tackles, players were out of position, the offense committed too many penalties, and the coaches made some bone headed decisions. The final score was 48-28. My concerns for next season are the defense. OU will have an extremly lethal offense if Kevin Wilson uses them wisely, but the Sooners will probably struggle on defense. There are too many key players leaving. We'll see. Now, there is one common factor in all of these bowl game losses: the defensive coordinator was Brent Venables. BOOMER!!
wvu_lifer
posted on January 24, 2008 2:29 AM — 75.109.107.108 — link — abuse? said:
OU Fan.
Thanks for catching me up on the last few years of OU ball, lol. AP was and still is a stud. Yes, didn't Jason White have 2 knee braces? Kid was a player! As far as your assesment of the OU-WVU, dead on. Missing major starters really hurt. Malcum played, but very little. The penalties on both sides were atrocios! I know we had over 115 yards alone. There was alot of mouthing goin' on between players, stupid late hits. I hate to see my team play like that. Anyways, nice blog!
Tomcat said:
posted on January 24, 2008 3:24 PM — 70.243.166.232 — link — abuse?
# 56 OU Fan- enjoyed your post, however you made one error, you meant 2004 and not 2005.
Even though I'm a Horns fan, I agree with what you said concerning the biggest badest rivalry.
#53 Lennie Those scorpions multiply and are worse than roaches if they get loose.
#54 40 acres Ya I know what you mean concerning bandwagon fans.When I was born my Dad was a student at UT and my Grandads 1st cousin was an assistant coach under Royal.
Burnt Orange
Hookem-HornsOU Fan said:
posted on January 25, 2008 1:10 AM — 139.139.51.70 — link — abuse?
Tomcat, you're right. I think I made the error due to my mind deciding what I wanted to post. It was the 2004-2005 season where OU beat Texas, and it was the 2005-2006 season where Texas finally beat OU with the help of Vince Young. Also, I guess when I put "2005" I meant the bowl game, but I should have been more specific and put the 2004-2005 season. BOOMER!
Tomcat said:
posted on January 25, 2008 11:54 AM — 70.243.166.232 — link — abuse?
Hey OU Ron, OU Fan , Lennie Have yall noticed when there is a thread about OU- Longhorn fans tend to comment and when its about UT, the Sooner fans do the same thing.
Hookem-Horns
P.S. WarEagATL wish you could fix up my inlaws with a ride 2 are broke down, 1 was repoed and the other was crashed-totalled- They would be good repeat customers, just make the down payment cover the wholesale price-Ha HaLennie Collins
posted on January 25, 2008 12:21 PM — 70.251.191.250 — link — abuse? said:
Tomcat Post #59 not to insult you BUT the scorpions gots to have a mate of the same species and I got: 1 male red claw, 1 female emperor, 1 unsexed tri-colored, one female flat rock, and 1 unsexed yellow legged scorpions. The chance of scorplings are 0%. Even if one of the females were pregant...she would only give birth to maybe 15. She would probably eat 1/4 of them. They are great pets and they are like my tarantulas, misunderstood. They are the only pets for me. Of course I only have the ones with low venom levels and would rather flee than sting or bite. I have been bitten by a stripped knee tarantula and it was more embrassment than pain!
Tomcat said:
posted on January 25, 2008 1:00 PM — 70.243.166.232 — link — abuse?
#69 Lennie The only scorpions I,m familiar with are the ones around here and a couple of varietys that are west from here. The ones we have around here sting purty bad, especially like when they get in your clothes. They can take over if allowed. I had one, one time that was in a towel that was hanging up.I got out of the shower and the first place I tryed to dry off was my private area- that damm thing sting the sh-t out of me, very sensitive. Ive also been hit a few times on the end of the finger.
I'm familiar with the vingarron they live out around Del Rio and west. They get real large and are not dangerous, however in the Big Bend country, sleep on a cot off the ground.
They have some little ones that are real bad.
Scorpions are also a rock band from Germany.
Hookem-HornsTomcat said:
posted on January 25, 2008 1:16 PM — 70.243.166.232 — link — abuse?
WarEagATL Got to laugh man-I make payments on a 04 Silverado, that my wife used all day yesterday from 5am to 7 pm takin them back & forth to work and picking up kids from school etc etc. Got to laugh about it all because they work & go to school about 15 miles from where they live. Wish they would move closer to their work and farther from us. I dont really mind the kids walking over here to watch satalite TV cause they only get one channel at their house rabbit ears round here are no bueno por nada.
Hookem Horns
posted on January 25, 2008 4:16 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Tomcat: Well, it beats the old lady driving a minivan for her taxi services, right? You could always compromise if she tires of the truck and get a full-size SUV instead.
For a vehicle that I'm going to drive, I usually get something 3-4 years old, when it's already taken it's biggest hit for depreciation. I can generally drive it for a year or so before I sell it and still break even since I bought it wholesale. It's like owning one for free...
In what part of Texas do you live Tomcat?
Tomcat said:
posted on January 25, 2008 4:40 PM — 70.243.166.232 — link — abuse?
WarEagATL Na , my wife just left to pick up her sisters kids again bout 30 miles roundtrip at .51 a mile I figure they owe me-just kiddin, but its getting old, what are ya going to do?
Na man the 04 model is like a family vehicle its a four door and we like to camp, fish, etc etc. It also pulls a trailer alot better than my 98 Dodge 1500. Its cool, I just make the payments and buy the gas everybody else just wears them out.
South of Austin not far from San Marcos or Seguin
Guadalupe,Comal,Caldwell,Hays,Gonzales counties are my stomping grounds
I can go from New Braunfels to Gonzales without getting on the hiwayhrposon said:
posted on January 26, 2008 11:26 AM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?
Tomcat - New Braunfels is a nice area with good German restaurants. We go toobing in the Guadalupe and Comal rivers. It's amazing how crystal clear the water is with the limestone bottom. I prefer the Comal as it's deeper. No surprises when the water level is low. :-)
Tomcat said:
posted on January 26, 2008 12:27 PM — 70.243.166.232 — link — abuse?
74 yes the San Marcos and Blanco are the same when they start and change as they travel on their way to Tivoli. The beatiful spring fed hill country streams start off crystal clear and cold, they travel down and join together and pass thru different types of country on their way to the coast. The Comal flows into the Guadalupe at New Braunfels, the Blanco joins up with the San Marcos below San Marcos then Joins the Guadalupe near Gonzales. The San Antonio flows into the Guadalupe at Tivoli.
Everything is alot different down there, its some really good fishing.The river supports a wide variety of wildlife and many different fish.
The water there is kinda brakish and has both fresh water and saltwater fish & creatures.
Its really alot of fun, because you never know what your gonna drag in.We usually target areas with alot of flow and current, fish on the bottom with live bait.
#75 Yes and big gators too, I've seen snakes down there that are monsters, make you think your on the Amazon. Different kinds of birds, pink spoonbills, whooping cranes, ducks and Herons etc etc.
You can catch Yelacats [flatheads} blues, channels,speckeled trout, drum,redfish, gar, crappie and Buffalo all in the same water.
You can catch Bluecats in the bay and Redfish up the river.
I gots to go fishing
Adios TomcatTomcat said:
posted on January 26, 2008 11:30 PM — 69.153.80.147 — link — abuse?
#77 OU football is the subject-hrposon
Tivoli 38 miles from Goliad salt water barrier 8 miles up river, is usually deflated during regular flow conditions. Take Texas 35 there's a public ramp on Hog Bayou- different stream same water, we also fish Goff Bayou and some canals in the same area.Most of the gulf coast is simular, kinda like fishing the Nueses at Cal Allen near Corpus.
Hookem-Hornshrposon said:
posted on January 27, 2008 12:28 AM — 98.200.123.115 — link — abuse?
TC - Your right, this is an OU thread. OK, OU Sucks...
Thanks for the info.
With the real football season over, it's a little slow now before signing day and only 216 days until the season starts.
Hook'em Horns and hook some fish when you can't go to the game.Tomcat said:
posted on January 27, 2008 12:41 AM — 69.153.80.147 — link — abuse?
I agree with ya concerning OU
Going to Coletto Creek 2-7 thru 2-10
cant wait, hope the weathers nice, we usually have alot of fun. Its a warmwater powerplant lake and we always have a fish fry Sun before we leave.
Adios Tomcat
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OU-Ron
said:
posted on January 22, 2008 10:58 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?Who care’s if other coach’s have went through this or not, I don’t, the fact remains we do a poor damn job in bowl games.
Do I want to replace Stoops, hell no…I still think he is one of the best in College Football today.
Could it be poor preparation, wrong assistants, no sense of urgency, whatever----It’s still Bob’s responsibility and he admits it, and I can live with that..
I’m ready for next season, a Big XII championship, a Fiesta Bowl trip or a NC, win or lose, I’m still a SOONER…..