April 26, 2006
Oregon Ducks: Undefeated 2005 Pac10 champs?
In all the conversation and supposition surrounding the Reggie Bush House-gate, two teams could potentially see their 2005 season take a dramatic turn.
If USC is penalized and forced to forfeit their 2005 season, the Oregon Ducks walk away as the undefeated (11-0) Pac10 Champions.
Comments:
The Mayor said:
posted on April 27, 2006 1:44 AM — 12.37.188.67 — link — abuse?
As a Duck, I wouldn't want to take a win over the Trojans over some stupid NCAA rules gaff. They kicked our ass in the second half, so be it, it's over, we lost...fair and square. Reggie doesn't play, USC still wins every game except Texas and Fresno State.
By the way, that $700,000 house the folks rented in the 619 would be worth $1.2 million in the SF Bay Area...hell it would have been worth $400k in Eugene (without the traffic)!!!
This is such a non-story. I would have rather played Miami in the Rose Bowl in 2002 like we earned. Texas would have killed us this year...we lost to Oklahoma remember...?
Gerald said:
posted on April 27, 2006 12:39 PM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
The Mayor:
"Reggie doesn't play, USC still wins every game except Texas and Fresno State." Absurd. They certainly lose to NOTRE DAME and probably even lose to Arizona State. It is hilarious how during the Heisman race folks were claiming that Bush was the greatest college tailback ever, but now folks are claiming that Bush was only incidental to USC's success.
"This is such a non-story." In what way? If USC forfeits, Oregon is the PAC - 10 champs. Another banner to raise for Belloti and your program. A team having to forfeit a season in which they were undefeated until they played what is considered the greatest national title game - and possibly the greatest college football game period - in history because the Heisman Trophy winner's family lived the entire season in a house rented by a "sports marketer" is a HUGE STORY. Imagine if it were, say, VINCE YOUNG instead of Bush? Thanks to ESPN, we know all about Young's Wonderlic score, his "slow" 40 time, and not bringing a suit to meet President Bush. But these same ESPN jokers are falling over themselves to minimize the bad press over the Heisman Trophy winner's family receiving perhaps tens of thousands of dollars in benefits from a sports marketer who was trying to steer him to an agent and possibly establish ties to a gambling operation? Yeah, you are right. Move along. Nothing to see here. Especially according to ESPN, who is now running pieces on how "the system needs to be reformed." The system apparently did not need to be reformed when it came to the Heisman (given out before the bowl games) or the bizarre NFL evaluation process (a Wonderlic score is somehow more important than Young being 3 credits shy of a degree from one of the nation's top public universities), but when one of THEIR PLAYERS from one of THEIR SCHOOLS can't follow the rules, the rules need to be changed. Typical for ESPN, and typical for the media.
Duckman said:
posted on April 27, 2006 3:24 PM — 24.237.79.194 — link — abuse?
Gerald,
Quote "Oregon is the PAC - 10 champs. Another banner to raise for Belloti and your program". That banner will never be waved as a sign of Oregon success. It should be burned! USC won fair and square.
P.S.GO DUCKS!!!Gerald said:
posted on April 27, 2006 5:53 PM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
Duckman:
This is so unbelievable, actually worse than these interminable "SEC versus PAC - 10" arguments! Geesh! "USC won fair and square." Right. Had USC fielded the NFL Pro Bowl roster, they would have gone 13 - 0, winning the national title and every college award. That would have been "fair and square" too, right? OF COURSE NOT! WHY NOT? BECAUSE GUYS IN THE NFL ARE INELIGIBLE! YOU CANNOT PLAY INELIGIBLE PLAYERS! PERIOD!
And heck yes, that sign should be waved as a sign of Oregon success. You know why? Because it means that OF THE TEAMS IN THE PAC - 10 THAT PLAYED BY THE RULES AND FIELDED ROSTERS WITH ELIGIBLE PLAYERS, OREGON WAS THE BEST! I don't care if USC beat you guys 1000 to nothing; Oregon was still BETTER THAN USC LAST YEAR BECAUSE OREGON SOMEHOW MANAGED TO FIELD A TEAM WITH ELIGIBLE PLAYERS, JUST AS DID EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE 117 DIVISION I - A FOOTBALL TEAMS EXCEPT FOR SOUTHERN CAL!
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 27, 2006 6:03 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Getting into the riduculous talk... If Reggie is magically erased from USC's backfield for the 2005 season, RB LenDale White is the Heisman runner-up, or maybe, maybe even the Heisman winner.
Its the Butterfly-Effect. If one thing changes, it affect a lot of other things... and those things affect a bunch of other other things, etc. Carroll's game plan would be different, LenDale's production would be different, so-on and so-on. Reggie wasNT the only Elite-level RB that USC had - that dimishes the value of those hypothetical arguements.
... but anyway, whats the difference? USC didnt win the National Title; so what's the big deal?So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 27, 2006 6:41 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gerald relax, this whole thing is still up in the air (techincally). Not to be TOO litigious but, the agent associated with Micheal Micheals, David Caravantes did NOT sign Reggie to that marketing deal... from what I've heard, that is going to be key. And its yet to be determined that the Bush-Griffin Family's housing/Lease arrangement with that Micheals guy was Inappropiote. And thats Regardless of whether Reggie or USC were aware about it.
Duckman said:
posted on April 27, 2006 7:13 PM — 24.237.79.194 — link — abuse?
Gerald,
I would like to state that my SEC vs PAC-10 arguments only seemed "interminable" because you were on the obviously losing side of that argument. I would also like to point out that the SEC fans were the ones to start that argument by consistently bashing the PAC-10.
You should chillax. Your going to give yourself a stroke. I guess you fall under the take it how you can get it category. I don't want to be in that category.
P.S. It hurts to say but I think that if we would have played UCLA after we lost our starting QB we would have lost. I believe that Oregon was the third best team in the PAC-10 but that's just my opinion.
P.S.GO DUCKS!!!Franko G said:
posted on April 27, 2006 8:35 PM — 70.171.12.221 — link — abuse?
People need to stop making such a big deal out of this Reggie Bush thing. Everybody's yelling and making assumptions...just let it play out, I hate that ESPN put out this story RIGHT before the NFL draft just to stir up commotion. It pisses me off cuz, even though I'm a huge SEC fan, I like Reggie Bush and I respect his game. The guy is also very well-spoken. I refuse to buy into all this garbage. This whole conversation should cease right now, because its just a scam by ESPN to get more viewers at the draft and to put up big headlines. Thats all ESPN cares about anymore..the big stories are always about "TO" and "Kobe and the rape accusations" and "Ron Artest and his troubles"..ESPN thrives on looking for things like this and making it a big deal...Its up to us, THE ACTUAL FANS, to stop tuning into this garbage. Let the game do the talking. If it were up to me I would start a show- where I might mention these things but I would never make hour long specials and "outside the lines" junk to expose the athletes to scrutiny..but the ultimate focus of the show would be on the actual game..Im sick of turning on ESPN and hearing these trash headlines- listening to Woody Paige and all those idiots argue about it..I would like to take this time to say Around the Horn is the WORST SHOW EVER..the only problem is- is that when u start watching it you're brainwashed into watching the whole 30 minutes...the whole time you're wondering to yourself "why am I watching this.."
Whatever, I just refuse to put any importance on these stories anymore.
Gerald said:
posted on April 27, 2006 8:43 PM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clips:
Seriously, what does the NCAA rulebook say? I know that a basketball player for Saint John's was ruled ineligible because his UNCLE gave him a USED CAR for his birthday. And Curtis Enis had to pay back his FIANCEE after she bought him a SUIT TO WEAR TO THE HEISMAN CEREMONY so in order to play in his final college game. And there was this player who got into trouble for BORROWING MONEY TO BUY A CASKET FOR HIS DECEASED MOTHER. The NCAA also declared a UCLA offensive linemen ineligible because HE TOOK MONEY TO BUY FOOD BECAUSE HIS UCLA STIPEND WAS ONLY ENOUGH TO PAY FOR HIS RENT OVER THE SUMMER. Now some of those cases were reversed on appeal, but still, do not kid yourself ... if Reggie Bush's parents stayed rent free or at a reduced rate, the kid will be declared ineligible, and USC will forfeit those games. And also, Reggie Bush's family stayed in the house right up until the media came knocking on his door. Bush's story? He is buying his family a new home WHICH HE JUST FOUND THE OTHER DAY and is moving them into it. Sure ... are they in that new house NOW? If not, where are they staying? And oh yes, his lawyer is floating a story saying that even IF they were staying there for free it STILL isn't illegal because TECHNICALLY the guy wasn't an agent and some other stuff.
Regan said:
posted on April 27, 2006 9:54 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
Gerald (#4 & #7):
Very well said, especially your points about ESPN. I was extremely critical of the special attention that Southern California got by the national media outlets led by ESPN, and I got so sick of hearing about the team and Bush in particular that I virtually learned the Texas fight song...
Also, good point about the Notre Dame game - I doubt a "White-Push" would have happened to get Leinart into the end zone - end result, an Irish win.
I guess from my perspective, it comes down to taking responsibility for actions - if the Trojans violated NCAA rules, they should pay the price; although perhaps NCAA rules are beyond ridiculous and need to be changed.
Either way, with all the probations being visited upon so many schools all over the country for meaningless infractions, I believe Southern California deserves to be plagued as well.
Personally, I believe that having the Trojans forfeit all their '05 wins is stupid, no matter how much I have come to hate them due to the media's '05 love-hype-fest.
I'd be fine with a slap on the wrist; but if everyone else has to deal with meaningless NCAA crap, then 'God's Gift to College Football' should have to also.
Mooka said:
posted on April 27, 2006 9:54 PM — 68.6.189.197 — link — abuse?
I just can't believe 2 of the biggest Duck fans I've seen on this site wouldn't want the win. I'll take it.
Mayor,
Did you watch the game between Oregon and USC? I watched it and from what I saw the score didn't do the game justice. I thought it was actually alot closer than that and if it wouldn't have been for Bush tearing ya'll up in the 4th quarter ya'll might have won that one. In fact, I think it would've been a guaranteed W.The Mayor said:
posted on April 28, 2006 2:09 AM — 12.37.188.67 — link — abuse?
Mooka,
"Did you watch the game between Oregon and USC?"
Are you kidding me? It was my 50th birthday (9/24/05) and I watched it with my best friend at the Sheraton Palace Bar in SF (wives went shopping in Union Square). The bar was half Crimson and Gold, they blew off the second half with such arrogance, even though they were down by 10!!! They just knew they would win.
I watched every yard, passing or rushing. Best display of college football other than the Horns' and LSU (in their bowl games) that I saw this last season.
Sorry about the hazy response. I have been at 'Bones in Atlanta all evening...words and sight are fuzzy at this point. You SEC peeps are unreal...I love SEC passion. I have been around SEC lawyers all week...I feel like I am in the movie Deer Hunter.
Who better? Pac-10 o' SEC? Mao! Mao! Mao! Bangg....end of contest.
By the by...Where has Tommie Trojan been?
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 28, 2006 2:15 AM — 208.57.3.120 — link — abuse?
Without Reggie, LenDale puts up Heisman-level-production himself... something in the realm of Adrian Peterson's 2004 preformance. And again, its the Butterfly-Effect - sh!t changes, gameplans would change, etc, you dont just simply Delete all of Reggie's production, that void woulda been filled (face it, you would a better case for your stance if there wasnt a guy the caliber of LenDale White in the same backfield, not to mention that elite-level crew of WR/TEs).
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 28, 2006 2:25 AM — 208.57.3.120 — link — abuse?
Gerald, the Lease issue is the most paramount. even now, that is yet to be determined. But... Now theres talk that New Era the Marketing agency, tried to extort Reggie and the Griffin family for NOT signing with them! Micheals tried to "evict" them from the house they were renting... This could be a good sign for USC or it could be devastating. If he was tring to evict them, in a legal sense, I hope that implies that they were in fact leasing the house on the up-n-up.
The Mayor said:
posted on April 28, 2006 3:06 AM — 12.37.188.67 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clippers...
Without RB in the USC backfield in 2005 VY wins Heisman because USC would have lost to Fresno State without RB.
But again...as you stated earlier...the Bizzar-O-World world isn't reality.
This story is just a waste of time....even though the Ducks would "benefit" from a scandal.
Dude, "War's over man, Wormer dropped the big one.... They took the bar, they took the whole f***ing bar."
We Ducks adapt....go Faber, go Ducks. Knowledge is good.
Gerald said:
posted on April 28, 2006 1:33 PM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
The Mayor:
Trust me, I do not take football that seriously. And it is not taking it any way that you can get it. Seriously, if Reggie Bush is declared ineligible, then it means that there WAS no PAC - 10 last year; only a PAC - 9, and that your game against USC was nothing more than a meaningless exhibition.
So Cal Clips:
Nope dude, it ain't like that. I may usually be wrong, but one area that I actually stand a 50/50 chance of being right on is NCAA regulations. Why? Because I am an SEC fan, baby! No one cheats like us! Even better, SEC programs cheat AND STILL LOSE, ha ha ha ha ha! Anyway, the Griffins could end this whole thing in 10 minutes by producing the lease agreement and a few cancelled checks. Even Phil Taylor, the biggest Reggie Bush/USC apologist in the non - ESPN media, admitted so today in CNNSI.com.
Look, there was talk for awhile that this mess might jeopardize Bush's draft status, because it is generally known that one of the main reasons why the Texans so like Bush is his marketability based on his squeaky - clean image; the guy would be up there with Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Ben Roethlisberger. Even after the Texans made it clear that they were still going to draft him, they are still using this as leverage in contract negotiations (courtesy of profootballtalk.com). Letting this scandal linger on is only costing Bush money, and I do mean into the millions. If the Bush family were able to make this go away, they could have long done so with a simple bank history statement that you can download from the Internet. Since there was so much at stake and since they have done nothing but run and hide, it is obvious: the kid stayed rent free. The only question is a matter of how long it will take before USC has to forfeit those games and Bush has to give back the Heisman. I say 2 months. Oh yeah, and if they will award the Heisman to Vince Young (I honestly hope they don't, just let it stay blank; I say that the award should have gone to Young to begin with, so let this just be yet another example of how the Heisman voters obviously made a mistake, and if LenDale White would have just been this 2600 yard rusher and Leinart would have just been this 4000 yard passer in the absence of Bush, well then that just makes my case even further).
Doug said:
posted on April 28, 2006 6:11 PM — 70.162.110.95 — link — abuse?
Oregon didn't win the Pac 10. Its that simple. Looking back, anything could have happened without USC's presence looming over the conference. If ASU hadn't lost in such heartbreaking fashion to USC (which later caused them to essentially give up on the season), they probably would have won the conference. So should they be champions? All you can control is what was on the field at that time. At best, declare no champion for 2005 and move on. It is a sad day when you have to hope for rulebook-techincality championships. Oregon is better than that.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 28, 2006 7:36 PM — 204.62.104.215 — link — abuse?
FUGK the NFL. Bush's "Draft status"??? who-da-fugk cares !? Its about College Football. The only thing of interest here is, what affect will any of this have on USC (the school, the college football world, etc) not on "draft status", or the Texans, or the NFL.
Regan said:
posted on April 28, 2006 9:49 PM — 65.12.120.239 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clippers (#15):
My main agreement with Gerald was the statement he made in #4, dealing with the national media (ESPN's in particular) love-hype-fest with Southern California for the better part of 3 years.
I live in South Carolina, pull for Clemson, Tennessee, and Miami (FL); I don't have much of a reason to really get into West Coast Football, and until about 2003 didn't have a reason to dislike any team out there.
The media very nearly ruined one of my favorite hobbies with incessant worshipping of Southern California to the point that they virtually ignored the rest of the nation (outside of Texas, which was their hypothetical 'Rose Bowl fodder'). It may not have seemed as bad to everyone else, but it certainly was to me.
More often than not, it seemed that Southern California fans reflected a beyond-arrogant attitude that did not help matters, with some notable exceptions on the Fanblogs forums like Tommie Trojan.
Because of the love-fest, I can't help but despise Trojan football now; I'm just sick of hearing about them. It's really sad, considering what a rich tradition, highly respectable and likeable coach and great program you all have down there.
Maybe if the media shuts up this year, I won't be so biased this time next year...try not to hate me too much, I try to admit my crazy quirks when I recognize them :)
Nero said:
posted on April 29, 2006 12:12 AM — 71.214.98.59 — link — abuse?
Gerald:
Drop the caps, man. There was a time when I would go apoplectic over something like this, too. But draw a breath and maybe you'll live another day. I know I will, whether my team goes 11-0 or 0-11, and I know 0-11. Believe me, I know.
Rocky, that's a great reference to Duckville- how many know that Faber = U of O? Good times in the Dexter Lake Club.
And as far as USC losing to Notre Dame, I'm glad that subject came up, 'cause then I get to remind everyone listening that Notre Dame is 0-2 against my Beavs. Loved the Fiesta Bowl in '01. But I digress, to the point of checking out.
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 29, 2006 3:33 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Regan, thats the MEDIA! Lets be fair. I'll be honest and say that Im not gonna complain about seeing my team covered so much (within the context of football) -- Who would?
But heres a couple of things...
- The Media Over-Hype began at the end of the 2004 season... it came to a boil of "Insane"-Hype as it came closer to the Rose Bowl (the "Greatest of all time" Comparisons began even BEFORE the UCLA game!@!!). But lets be accurate, It wasnt "the better part of 3 years", dont Rewrite hype-history. USC was barely a Preseason Top 10 team 3 years ago, Matt Leinart was an unknown backup replacing Carson Palmer, a Heisman winner/School record-breaker. Not to digress here but, a lot of that premature Hype that was being spewed may have been Validated had any number of singular plays gone the other way (not an "excuse" thing, only offering some perspective).
- Hate the media (I do)... dont hate the school/team/fans. Most USC fans take the stance that of: not apologizing for spliting the Title with LSU in 2003... not feeling sorry for undefeated AwBurned in 2004... take solace in that fact that it took one of the greatest performances in College Football history to beat USC in 2005... and believe that USC is still a legit contender looking to the future. Every school/team that becomes a M=media-darling is gonna have their whack-job, so-called "fans"... its not just USC.Regan said:
posted on April 30, 2006 1:10 AM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clippers (#30):
I get what you're saying, and freely admit that the situation wasn't as bad as it seemed to me - as I said, I try to realize when I'm not able to be completely objective and admit it.
In defense, though, I will say:
1) "The better part of three years": Despite the fantastic '03 Fiesta Bowl which Ohio State pulled out the win against my 'Canes, many pundits were saying that Southern California was the best team at the end of the year, topped off with Palmer getting the Heisman. Hey, no problems here, unless you're a Bruin. Leinart took over in '03 and the Trojans' resurgence as the 'new-old flavor of the month' (similar to OU's in 2000-01) period began. Still no problem.
The BCS scandal at the end of the year and the Trojans claiming a national title without playing in the Title game began my irritation.
To kick off '04, I got so sick of hearing "Mr. Bush goes to Washington" by the end of the year's first game - and it all went downhill from there. Adding to my irritation was the fact that no Trojan sympathies went out to Auburn, who sat in the exact same seat that Southern California had the year before.
2) You are spot on about the Media; I'm just sick of hearing about Southern California and Bush. I'm certain yall got irritated at the 'Canes during their 34-game streak (if the Media was as bad then as they are now).
I don't hate the Trojans, the University, or the fans. I have great respect for Pete Carroll and the way the high-class way the players have carried themselves considering their dominance.
On a silly note, since I live in South Carolina, I can't honestly refer to your team as "USC" because they aren't the only USC out there. Unlike most others, though, I know most of yall hate "Southern Cal", so I try to be considerate and type out all the letters :) Look at any of the posts I've ever made - I'm a nut that way, lol...
Next year will be better, I'm sure - as I said, try not to hate me for having crazy quirks and making mountains out of molehills...
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on April 30, 2006 8:41 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Regan, USC indeed was surging at the end of 2002: just destroying teams at the end, finishing 11-2 against the No.1 Rated Strength of Schedule in the Country, etc... they very-well may have been the best team "at the end of the season". But having said that, it wasnt "Thee Story" of College Football... it wasnt necessarily Over-Hype, it was a fair assesment (not my opinion but... FYI, three different rating systems actually ranked 11-2 USC, No. 1 in 2002, over 14-0 Ohio State; they probably weighted Margin of Victory and SOS more heavily than other rating systems).
As the 2003 season began, the Flavor of the Month was OKLAHOMA (and Auburn too, to a lesser degree), and Not USC. USC began the 2003 Pre-Season at No. 8!!! behind teams like Kansas St, Auburn (No. 6), Texas, Michigan which all finished ranked below USC the year before. They werent "over-hyped" back then (Like I was saying, lets not rewrite Hype-history here).
As far as the 2003 Title... IT HAPPENS! This is College Football, Disputed Titles are natural effect of not having a Playoffs, that was nothing new. Dont forget, heading into the Bowls, USC was No.1 in the COACHES Poll too... getting on the "media" for that is weak on your part. The AP has been naming NATIONAL CHAMPS for 70 Years, 2003 was no different. And also DONT FORGET, Oklahoma "Ass-ed" their way to No. 3 in the Polls by losing to late to K State... there was no need for people to "hate on" USC for ending up No. 1, the Lame-ness-osity came from LSU fans whinning about it being a Disputed Championship.
Then came 2004 and Auburn... SEC fans, being the communist-minded fans that they are when it comes to CFB conferences, whinned about NOT having a Split Title in 2004 (completely reversing their logic). The ensuing, unwarranted, Hater-ism directed against USC added to "MY irritation", but thats a side-issue.... Up til about mid-season of 2005, the attention that USC got was just-due. They were the best team in the country, they were challenging History, they were a team/force that deserved attention. Then the first 2005 BCS Rankings came out, and TEXAS was Ranked No.1!!! The Media was incredulous, as if it were preposterous to think that Texas deserved to be ahead of USC -- THATS when the OVER-Hype went off. Everything before then, from the end of 2003 to Mid-2005, was WARRANTED-Hype, so-to-speak. The ESPN "greatest ever" comparison thing was embarrassing.
Regan said:
posted on April 30, 2006 9:34 PM — 205.188.116.133 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clippers (#35):
This discussion is interesting, because it highlights our two differing perspectives on the same issue. I think it's also interesting as a microcosm of College Football analysis in recent years.
Since there are more teams and fewer games than in the NFL, there is an enormous amount of subjective analysis on the various sports channels, websites, magazines, etc. For example: questions of whether the '04 Trojans were the best team ever or the '71 OU-Nebraska game was the best game of all-time, or even the debate over on the 'Position U' thread are all based on Opinions and Perceptions.
When it comes down to it, it seems that the only thing we actually disagree on is the period of time you describe as being of "warranted Hype". I'll say 'fair enough' to this; just understand the frustration I had at trying to watch my teams without constant reminders that they had no chance of winning any title due to the mythic team out west that had already invented the term "Three-Pete".
I wouldn't have wanted Pac-10 fans to have to hear constant references to their players as being 'no Ken Dorsey' during Miami's recent glory days; I'd want them to be able to enjoy their own teams and coverage of them without having to listen to constant comparisons to teams they don't care about. I hope it wasn't that way, and I wouldn't want it that way even if a team actually was that good to begin with...
This is a good discussion, thanks for putting up with my irrationality :)
Gerald said:
posted on May 1, 2006 10:28 AM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clips:
You guys had 11 guys drafted. I think that the record is 12? Still, a ton of your guys made huge drops, especially Darnell Bing, who was expected to be a first rounder but winds up falling to round 4. What was the deal? Then again, even though the Auburn 2004 players were on average drafted higher, you guys ultimately had more players drafted ...
So Cal Clipppers said:
posted on May 1, 2006 3:17 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Gerald... the deal is Fugk the NFL. I say "Who cares" either way; the draft, the NFL, has nothing to do with what players accomplished in College. Unless NFL players can go back and play in College, its of little interest to me. I believe USC has produced the most 1st Rnd NFL Draft choices in history (or 2nd behind Notre Dame), and I say "who cares" to that too. And at this point its about expectations... arent the Arizona Cardinals seen as the "biggest winners" of this draft? - QB Leinart USC, OL Lutui USC, TE Pope Geo, etc.
But what do I care? Im a USC fan - not an Arizona Cardinals fan, or a Houston Texans fan, or a New Orleans Saints fan, etc.Bing was a big hitter, he did well. To be honest he under-welmed me more often than he over-welmed me (Im not very forgiving of dropped interceptions by DBs... those are the kind of "huge drops" that I concern myself with), but you cant ask for much more; The guy was an All-American!
Nero said:
posted on May 2, 2006 12:42 AM — 71.214.98.59 — link — abuse?
So Cal ... #32
Yeah, Rocky sent the line along and it's been fun seeing you guys wax poetic over the virtues of College Ball (v the NFL). And yes, a Beaver Believer I am. Grew up in the shadow of Autzen and even sold hot dogs during at U of O games in the late 60's when the home team was as bad as the Beavs in Corvallis. When I say "I know 0-fer" I can remember the last collegiate game that ended in a 0-0 tie. Fortunately, I was not in attendance that bleak day.
You guys keep yammering about the draft, and I will look forward to an overlooked Beaver team surprising a few.... even the Ducks in late Novemeber - a Friday night affair I understand.
Mayor, glad to be on the list.....
Go Beavs!The Mayor said:
posted on May 2, 2006 11:34 AM — 24.23.202.200 — link — abuse?
Nero
Dave, where did you read that the game was on Friday night?
Goducks.com shows it as Saturday, November 25th. Isn't that "after" Thanksgiving? That would be a departure from tradition.
By the way I thought you sold 'ho-grams one year at Autzen?
The Mayor said:
posted on May 7, 2006 1:44 PM — 24.23.202.200 — link — abuse?
So Cal Clippers...loved this line from May 1st (#40).
"The Battle for Los Angeles is on.
Clippers Vs Lakers... this USC stuff would be depressing if not for this impending matchup."I guess you'll have to wait for next season. Go Suns!
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on May 7, 2006 6:08 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
I had a sign made of "Los Kobes" in the Lakers-style crossed out w/the 'No' symbol all made out!
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So Cal Clippers said:
posted on May 7, 2006 6:27 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
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...... -..........-......Tomcat said:
posted on May 14, 2006 2:34 AM — 66.142.91.46 — link — abuse?
Hey Beaver He can't help it he's from L.A. Smog probably got to him, or some kind of smoke. I live in a Burt Orange Nation. Go Spurs
Hookem-Horn's
Hey So-Cal You say Fug the NFL o.k.
How bout those Titans- Young & White
And he will be throwing to his ex-tight end Bo Scafe. I will start watching pro ball again.
Just hope they have the front line.
USC and UT both had outstanding o-lines and without the blocking it doesnt matter whos back there.So Cal Clippers said:
posted on May 15, 2006 10:25 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
Mooka, I was trying to make a "NO-Symbol" like in a No Smoking sign, over a LAKERS logo w/the words "LOS KOBES" -- the sign/poster I woulda held up at Staples Center if that CLIPPERS vs LAKERS series woulda happened.
Beat L.A...
Beat L.A...
I mean...
... We're L.A!
... We're L.A!So Cal Clippers said:
posted on May 15, 2006 10:44 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
TomCat and that Beaver fan, WHAT?!
You say "Hey Beaver He can't help it he's from L.A. Smog probably got to him", refering to me... Who are you talking to? Nero is the Beaver fan, The Mayor is a Duck fan,
I said that Oregon State is on my "Most Improved" list coming into 2006. RB Yveneson Bernard, of Oregon St Beavers, is one of my darkhorse Heisman candidates (look for a Brian Calhoun '05 type of season).Spurs vs Clippers - Western Confernce Finals... I'll take that. Emmanuel Ginobili is one of the best in the league to watch.
Elindelwolf said:
posted on May 18, 2006 8:56 PM — 65.125.101.243 — link — abuse?
If the it is a violation, then it is a violation. And if USC has to forfeit, then they have to forfeit. Whatever the rules are... I'd be slightly ecstatic that the ducks would get the title...still, its not as good as actually going all out for the thing...
Elindelwolf said:
posted on May 22, 2006 12:01 AM — 65.125.101.211 — link — abuse?
Listen SoCal, if you have a gripe, drop it. Do not lash at me.
You pretty much repeated what i meant. I've never cared for the USC program, despite the fact that i want to attend the school. I realize you can't re-write minds...I'm not stupid.
Yes there is, I would be ecstatic...but, have reservations.
Oh, and the moniker is "ELINDELWOLF" btw.
~E
No Dogs Down said:
posted on May 28, 2006 9:03 PM — 71.202.36.27 — link — abuse?
Beowolf?
By the way the only thing good about SO CAL is the fake Juggz(USC cheer squad THANK GOD SILICONE AIN'T ILLEGAL
You guys make me want to watch the TLC network.
How about some football chatter?
The ducks will be OREGONE after 4 quarters in Fresno.
Bring the riot gear!So Cal Clippers said:
posted on May 30, 2006 3:37 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
No Dog, F State loses their entire backfield and their Defensive Studs; QB Pinegar, RBs Mathis, Sumlin, DT McIntyre, DBs Culver, Marshall.
I dont think that they're quite at the "Reload"-level as a program as say, USC is; also lost their entire backfield, but still a likley contender.
I gotta think that this is gonna be a down season for F State, convince me otherwise. And btw, Oregon returns an ELITE-level of skill-positon players.No Dogs Down said:
posted on May 31, 2006 4:04 AM — 71.202.36.27 — link — abuse?
So Cal thanks for the shout out to the boys in the NFL.
Three Dogs were selected in the NFL Draft. Cornerback Richard Marshall was as second round pick of the Carolina Panthers,
receiver Adam Jennings to Atlanta in the sixth round and
safety Tyrone Culver, also in the sixth round, to the Green Bay Packers.
That was the highest total of draft choices by a school from a non-BCS conference.Shortly after the draft, the following Bulldogs signed NFL free agent contracts:
-- Defensive end Garrett McIntyre with defending NFC champion Seattle
-- Running back Wendell Mathis signed with the Minnesota Vikings
-- Running back Bryson Sumlin with San Diego Chargers
-- Receiver Jermaine Jamison with Kansas City
-- Quarterback Paul Pinegar with Jacksonville
You are absolutely right we are not at full strength next year but we will take care of the ducks no problem.
Fresno can be a really bad place for Pac 10 teams.
Too bad we can't win the "WACK".
Our big question is at QB. If you know football in Southern California the name Sean Norton should mean something to you. (Hart HS)
If he plays to potential Fresno will be winning>
So Cal Clippers said:
posted on May 31, 2006 4:34 PM — 204.62.68.23 — link — abuse?
No Dogs, yeah F State has the propensity to man-up against the BCS opponents but this year, this matchup, is gonna be tough - down year for Fresno St.
I take it QB Sean Norton is a good prospect... but think if QB Dennis Dixon, RBs Jonathan Stewart, Terrell Jackson (from the I.E.), WRs Cameron Colvin, James Finely (Compton), Derrick Jones (LBC), etc, play to THEIR "potential"... Oregon is gonna have an elite offense for 2006, overall, it might be a Top 15 team again (though I will say, losing monsters like DTs Haloti Ngata, Devan Long & a hawk like DB Aaron Gipson has gotta hurt)
The Mayor said:
posted on May 31, 2006 7:14 PM — 24.23.202.200 — link — abuse?
No Dogs Down,
"You are absolutely right we are not at full strength next year but we will take care of the ducks no problem."
Looking forward to driving down to Fresno for this one, but I think you may be a little over confident about the Bulldogs chances against the Ducks. The Ducks by a touchdown.
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Regan said:
posted on April 26, 2006 11:36 PM — 64.12.116.199 — link — abuse?This is great news for BCS haters, they can bash it all over again :) Why didn't Oregon play Texas for the championship?????