October 12, 2007
JoPa being investigated for road rage - UPDATE #4
10/9/2007 -- Word out of Penn State is that legendary coach Joe Paterno is being investigated for road rage by the Penn State police.
Penn State police are investigating an apparent road rage incident that was reported to them about 12:10 p.m. Friday along Bigler Road near the Food Science Building.Penn State police spokesman Tyrone Parham said he could not release the names of those involved because the investigation is ongoing. Additional interviews are being conducted, he said.
"We've only heard one side of the story so far," Parham said.
The caller and apparent victim is a university employee, according to police.
The story, first posted on a Rivals message board, has been investigated by the local papers and the university.
Yesterday, two grad students (husband and wife)that I know were driving on campus and being followed closely by a white car. The white car passes them and then cuts them off and pins them against the curb. The driver gets out and starts screaming obscenities at the woman (who was driving), flipping both middle fingers and repeatedly saying "do you know who I am!". The irate screaming and cursing by the driver of the white car continues long enough for the campus police to arrive at which time the driver of the white car takes off. The woman is so shaken up that the police ask here if she's OK to drive. The only thing they can think of that set the driver of the white car off was if they were driving too slow. They were both in some state of shock the rest of the day that Joe Paterno, a man they both admired, could act this way....
They said Joe was in an extreme hurry (before they knew it was Joe), the car was tailgating them and they were driving the campus speed limit, which is 15 mph if I remember right. They were dumbfounded, and so was I upon hearing the story. The husband told Joe he should "just move along" a number of times and this seemed to make Joe more upset. After the police arrived the husband said "I can see why we're losing" which elicited a round of laughter from the students that had gathered.
Apparently the couple involved are both grad student employees of the university.
Posters at Rivals are confirming that JoPa does own both a silver Mercedes as well as a white Toyota sedan.
Monday Morning QB says that JoPa is losing it and is working his way towards a Woody Hayes - Clemson incident (video).
JoePa, for all the good he has done, is apparently determined to go out like Woody Hayes. Woody surely didn't deserve it, and neither does JoePa. If this is indeed going to be how it ends, I DON'T WANT TO LOOK. And yet, were there any Bucknuts out there that saw the Baumann punch coming at the Gator Bowl? How many of them were able to look away at the last second, not wanting their final image of Woody to be what it was? Even JoePa's growing chorus of detractors doesn't want to see this. Nobody does.
As of the noon report, the papers are not specifically naming JoPa, but he has been outed in the newspapers blog and
If this pans out to be true -- and there is a police report, so I'm giving this some considerable weight -- then this has to be the final year for Coach Paterno. As much as Penn State loves JoPa, the university simply cannot endure stories of the old coach flipping the bird in the street after driving a couple off the road.
There's no reason that PSU cannot find a way to continue to honor Paterno while taking the program in a new direction. Beaver Stadium may be the house that JoPa built, but is still Penn State University.
I honestly believe that JoPa would rather resign than to hurt the university. And that time is coming.
UPDATE 10/10/07
Penn State fansite Lashout has posted an update to the JoPa road rage incident:
Laschout.com has learned further details regarding the alleged "road rage incident" involving Coach Paterno that took place on Friday afternoon on campus. According to sources, Coach Paterno was following a car that he thought was being driven erratically, and observed the driver of said car nearly cause an accident to take place. Paterno, upon witnessing the near accident, confronted the woman driving the car to make her aware that he witnessed the incident and that he was taking down her license plate number. The source claims the encounter between Paterno and the motorist was both brief and civil.
From people I have spoken with, this version of events is likely closer to the reality than the sailor-mouthed, double-birding JoPa from the post on Rivals.
From my standpoint, this definitely seems like Paterno's side of the story, related by someone who may have access to the coach (although Paterno has not commented on the matter publicly). As for the profanity and -- shall we say 'passion' -- let me just say that even most PSU fans will admit Coach Paterno can be very... animated... when he is upset, as may have been the case.
Black Shoe Diaries gives his take:
As in most cases, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But even if you take the word of the supposed "victims", I can't see anything coming out of this. According to them he got out of the car, flipped them off, and screamed at them. He didn't kick in their fender or threaten to kill them. The police are not going to pursue something this trivial.Still, BSD suggests Joe go back to walking to work like he used to in the old days. Or perhaps he could take the Loop. Or maybe he could get the shuttle bus from the Senior Center to pick him up. But 80-year old people should probably not be driving cars. Heck, as thick as his glasses are he probably should have given up driving decades ago.
I'll agree with that.
UPDATE 10/11/07
The Wizard of Odds bring us the latest update on the JoPa road rage incident, with confirmation of the story from Paterno himself. Paterno spoke about the incident at the Quarterback Club luncheon on Wednesday.
He told more than 300 people at the Penn State Quarterback Club luncheon about his near miss. Information exchanged at the weekly luncheon is normally treated as off the record and not open to the media. But multiple sources who attended told the Post-Gazette about Paterno's exchange with the audience.
According to the sources, Paterno said after his close call he pulled his car over to the curb and got out.
He then approached the other vehicle and shook his finger at the driver. He warned her to, "Watch it."
"Be careful," Paterno said. "I have your license number, and I will call the police on you."
According to the sources, Paterno said a male passenger then walked up and chastised him, saying, "That's my wife you're talking to."
Paterno said, "That's your problem."
The woman then snapped back at Paterno, telling him, "I'm going to call the police on you."
Paterno reportedly told the woman to go ahead.
She did just that.
According to a university police report, the unidentified woman filed her claim the same day as the incident. She stated that a male driver committed a traffic violation and acted in a disorderly manner at 12:09 p.m., along Bigler Road, near the Food Science Building.
At this stage, it seems highly unlikely that any charges will be filed in the matter by the campus police. JoPa has written the matter off as a he said - she said and it appears that the police have done the same.
What is truly unclear in all of this is why Paterno ever got involved in the first place. What prompted the coach to interject himself into the situation at all? And what transpired that woman would feel so uncomfortable that she would warn JoPa that she was going to call the police? And what happened that the husband apparently had to "bow up" on the coach?
Again, the "truth" probably lies somewhere in the middle, but there's something about the couple being concerned enough to call the police that is still troubling in this story.
UPDATE 10/12/2007
Coach Paterno - who wouldn't even acknowledge the road rage story days ago - is now commenting further on the incident as the story makes its way into the mainstream media.
"I've been accused of road rage," Paterno said. "I was only doing something I've done plenty of times to students."
But did you give the double-eagle, Coach??
"I pointed my finger at [the woman driver]," Paterno said. "I did not give her the middle finger, even if I knew what that meant."
Puh-leeze!!!! Now we're supposed to believe that JoPa doesn't know what the bird is/means??
I don't buy it. I can understand there was a "misunderstanding" in the road rage incident, but I have to take issue with JoPa milking the 'hey, I'm just an old geezer' routine just a little too far this time.
Also, campus police have announced that no charges will be filed against Paterno.
"From the two stories, we could not determine whether the incident warrants any criminal or traffic citations, so we closed out the case," Parham said Thursday.
Gee...I'm *so* shocked.
Comments:
OU-Ron
posted on October 9, 2007 2:06 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
said:
I remember that game where Hayes threw a punch; Ohio State fired him the following morning. It would be pretty sad for Joe Pa to be fired in a similar fashion. If he is in the middle of this, it would probably be best to retire at the end of the season. I hope the report is wrong.
posted on October 9, 2007 3:25 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
For what its worth, I will not post things that I can't reasonably validate.
I get emailed "leads" all the time and 80+% of it is pure drivel (Pete Carroll just bought a house in Cincinnati - that kind of stuff).
There are several reasons to believe this story has a ring of accuracy to it - particularly since the Centre newspaper started asking questions and got the PSU police to give what I would term a guarded response. There's more than smoke here, and several people are working on it. I'm just a messenger this time.
Tom Blogical
posted on October 9, 2007 3:54 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
If this is true, it would be a very, very sad story. As a Buckeye fan, I can tell you that it would be horribly unjust for people to point to this one incident and use it to define JoePa, his life, and what he was all about. I do have to say that I've noticed he gets on the officiating a lot more aggressively than he used to. Add that to this potential incident, maybe the stress of the job is getting to him.
Nobody is perfect. I'd say that I'd consider something like this, then look at the rest of the positive things he's done in his life.
That being said, if this is true, he should resign immediately so Penn State doesn't have to fire him. It would be the right thing to do.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on October 9, 2007 4:45 PM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
Wow....Joe never appeared to me as "Road Rage Bird Flipper". Maybe he is losing it. Most people that are in an "extreme hurry" would honk and flip you off as they pass you en route to where they're going. If Joe ran them off the road, got out of his car and started yelling and flipping the bird at them, and hung around til just before the cops get there- then he must've forgot he was in an "extreme hurry" as described in topic blog.
I agree that there is probably something to this, but I think we might be only getting half of the story and maybe even fewer facts.
posted on October 9, 2007 5:24 PM — link — abuse? said:
@FanoftheGame - I see where you're going there and I agree... there are few details that seems (perhaps) overly dramatic. That said, it is not implausible that Paterno pulled up beside them as they pulled to the curb, got out of his car, and gave them a tongue lashing. (Which is really the jist of the accusation)
If the details are as per the police report, then its a sad day for PSU.
OU-Ron
posted on October 9, 2007 6:38 PM — 72.198.24.199 — link — abuse? said:
@11 TampaGator, yeah all charges should be dropped by Saturday so he can participate in the game, the grad students in the car just realized that he was just communicating with an ancient form of sign language, they have decided to drop all charges
Tomcat said:
posted on October 9, 2007 8:24 PM — 70.132.194.10 — link — abuse?
You keep a swerving in my lane
and your causing lots of danger
I keep on honkin on my horn
I'm-a shooting you the finger
I keep-a switching on my bright lights
but your just to dim to know
when your swerving of lifes highway
your running someone off the road
When and if I finally ever pass you
when I do and if I'm still alive
I wont be able to see you
cause I'm ripping out my rearveiw
and shifting her on into overdriveSorry to make light of the subject, but sometimes country music lyrics are applicable
Good Luck coach Joe
demand a jury trial if indited
No Pennsylvania Jury would convict
after all hand jesters and driving crazy are an unavoidable part of realityU. of S. C. 1978 said:
posted on October 9, 2007 9:59 PM — 97.82.188.250 — link — abuse?
Joe Paa = Bear Bryant, maybe God? Check his blood alcohol level? So, Joe Paa is an arrogant asshole? That's the way I read it. As far as I am concerned Joe Paa has not fielded a team in quite a few years that could possibly enhance a Napoleon complex.
PSU1970 said:
posted on October 10, 2007 11:24 AM — 192.104.254.70 — link — abuse?
My daughter attends Penn State and works in town. One day last week she was on her way to work. As she was getting ready to cross a street in town, she noticed a silver Mercedes about to to turn in front of her. She pulled back out of the cross walk so as not to be run over. The Mercedes stopped and the driver waived her across. She started across and waived a Thank You back at the driver, who smiled and again waived at my daughter. The driver? JoPA! I guess that he's not always in a hurry, or an asshole as others have suggested. EVERONE has their moments. People are human. Jo - - - is human. No one here can say that they haven't made a mistake on the road or in their lives. If they do, they are either lying, deluded, or unconscious. Maybe JoPA IS a little arrogant - hard to believe given all that he has brought to PSU, besides Football notoriety. Give the guy a break here! It's time to stop bashing Jo Paterno!!!!
Tom Blogical
posted on October 10, 2007 12:02 PM — 24.95.77.153 — link — abuse? said:
PSU1970 (#17):
Please read comment #7. Not everybody here is bashing JoPa. I know everybody here at Fanblogs respects him for what he's done.
gatorstud said:
posted on October 10, 2007 12:08 PM — 69.95.111.248 — link — abuse?
psu #17...well said...just because we put these people on pedastals...doesn't mean that they are not normal like us.....
i know i have had my moments.......and i'll probably have a moment tomorrow morning if the damn trash man keeps throwing my trash can all the way up into my yard.....
1...2...3...4...serenity now...5...6..7...8...9..serenity now....10...
there...all better......
go gators...and hokies
posted on October 10, 2007 4:35 PM — link — abuse? said:
Penn State fansite Lashout has posted an update to the JoPa road rage incident:
Laschout.com has learned further details regarding the alleged "road rage incident" involving Coach Paterno that took place on Friday afternoon on campus. According to sources, Coach Paterno was following a car that he thought was being driven erratically, and observed the driver of said car nearly cause an accident to take place. Paterno, upon witnessing the near accident, confronted the woman driving the car to make her aware that he witnessed the incident and that he was taking down her license plate number. The source claims the encounter between Paterno and the motorist was both brief and civil.
From people I have spoken with, this version of events is likely closer to the reality than the sailor-mouthed, double-birding JoPa from the post on Rivals.
From my standpoint, this definitely seems like Paterno's side of the story, related by someone who may have access to the coach (although Paterno has not commented on the matter publicly). As for the profanity and -- shall we say 'passion' -- let me just say that even most PSU fans will admit Coach Paterno can be very... animated... when he is upset, as may have been the case.
TE
posted on October 10, 2007 5:39 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
Did Tomact just cut & paste country song lyrics to describe Joe Paterno's legal situation on a college football blog?
I'm not sure, but I think we may have reached a new nadir...Or a new Zenith...I'm not sure...
That was so funny/sad...I'm not sure whether to laugh, or cry...For Joe...Or Tomact...
I'm so confused...
Zac said:
posted on October 10, 2007 10:16 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse?
Being a full blooded Ginzo, from the north east myself, I can tell one and all what actually went down.
He waz maken em an awffa day could not refuze.
Seriously, though, I'm in my 50's, a professional in the nuclear power industry. I'd like to think I'm a civilized, mature, adult...like Gator Hippy. Sadly, I've done many a thing I'm not proud of; most I'd just as soon forget. So, if this were true...
Lets face it. Many of us have said, give em a 2nd chance, regarding a number of bone-headed stunts pulled by young players. If it's good enough for them, it should be good enough for Jo Pa.
Now, I wasn't there. I don't know what actually happened. This is one of those, "alleged" things. Still, something like this tends to get one's attention. It has certainly captured our imaginations. The point is, if it's not true, we've all jumped the gun. If it is, lets put it into perspective. Somebody spent a lot of energy ranting and making a fool of himself, only to take off when the heat was on. Otherwise, nobody was shot, raped, assaulted, or robbed. Should the worse come to worse, Mrs. Joe Pa, you're just gonna have to send that ole boy to his room for a while...till the next game, that is.
Tomcat said:
posted on October 10, 2007 11:38 PM — 69.148.173.234 — link — abuse?
#20 Thanks Kevin for setting us straight on the alleged incident.I saw his Monday press conference on CSTV and it seemed like the press was trying to ask questions not pertaining to the game they just played or the one coming up this week. Coach Joe handled himself very well and did not answer questions about off the feild issues.
Head Football coaches like Joe Peterno are national celebrities and are always hounded by the Media and Press that is hungry for a story.
#27 Zac I agree, no one was hurt, even if it was true, no big deal.I'm sure we've all had our moments.
#23 TE Thanks I didnt know you cared.LOL na man I havent learned to cut & paste yet.I'm really getting educated here on fanblogs
example jester professional fool
gesture bodily movement expressing emotion
Good luck this week Coach Joe Pa
posted on October 11, 2007 7:48 AM — link — abuse? said:
UPDATE: The Wizard of Odds bring us the latest update on the JoPa road rage incident, with confirmation of the story from Paterno himself. Paterno spoke about the incident at the Quarterback Club luncheon on Wednesday.
He told more than 300 people at the Penn State Quarterback Club luncheon about his near miss. Information exchanged at the weekly luncheon is normally treated as off the record and not open to the media. But multiple sources who attended told the Post-Gazette about Paterno's exchange with the audience.
According to the sources, Paterno said after his close call he pulled his car over to the curb and got out.
He then approached the other vehicle and shook his finger at the driver. He warned her to, "Watch it."
"Be careful," Paterno said. "I have your license number, and I will call the police on you."
According to the sources, Paterno said a male passenger then walked up and chastised him, saying, "That's my wife you're talking to."
Paterno said, "That's your problem."
The woman then snapped back at Paterno, telling him, "I'm going to call the police on you."
Paterno reportedly told the woman to go ahead.
She did just that.
According to a university police report, the unidentified woman filed her claim the same day as the incident. She stated that a male driver committed a traffic violation and acted in a disorderly manner at 12:09 p.m., along Bigler Road, near the Food Science Building.At this stage, it seems highly unlikely that any charges will be filed in the matter by the campus police. JoPa has written the matter off as a he said - she said and it appears that the police have done the same.
What is truly unclear in all of this is why Paterno ever got involved in the first place. What prompted the coach to interject himself into the situation at all? And what transpired that woman would feel so uncomfortable that she would warn JoPa that she was going to call the police? And what happened that the husband apparently had to "bow up" on the coach?
Again, the "truth" probably lies somewhere in the middle, but there's something about the couple being concerned enough to call the police that is still troubling in this story.
PSU1970 said:
posted on October 11, 2007 7:50 AM — 192.104.254.70 — link — abuse?
Well, it is good to read that maybe the account originally published was not the accurate one - although, it still might be. Jo's not talking, and rightfully so. What does it have to do with PSU football? And #28,I agree and, I read the transcript of the press conference and I'd love to know who the person was asking all of the questions about the alleged incidents off of the field. It might give us all some insight into who is trying to bring down the team, the coach and the school. All of his/her questions had absolutely nothing to do with football. At any rate, the current version of the story lends itself more to the JoPA my daughter encountered, not the one standing in the middle of the street flashing a double eagle.
posted on October 11, 2007 7:59 AM — link — abuse? said:
I don't know if I can fault a reporter for asking questions on the off-the-field stuff. I mean, there were quite a few incidents over the weekend, and no one from PSU really wants to comment on them....
- Austin Scott on Friday...
- JoPa's "run-in" on Friday...
- Joe Suhey "apprehended" on Friday...
- Sat night frat party brawl...
- Ryan Breen arrested on Sunday...I think it's fair to question the coach following these events, especially when you look at what else has transpired this year.
After all, the team isn't cleaning the stadium for fun, right?
posted on October 11, 2007 12:46 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
You know, Joe Pa is reaching the age when his children should take away his car and license.
As far as calling the police, I give no added weight for that element of the story. People call police for stupid reasons all the time. As a business owner, I've had customers call the police on me dozens of times so they can enforce civil matters. Cops don't like that when they do.
Kevin, could your zeal for this story be attributed to the possibility of getting Paterno retired, so that Bobbie can retire in peace as the wins record holder?
This whole record-chasing thing isn't going to stop until one of them is dead. But for the record, my dadgum money's on Bobbie!
PSU1970 said:
posted on October 12, 2007 9:22 AM — 192.104.254.70 — link — abuse?
#34, with all due respect in return, he's also a private citizen who HAPPENS to be not just Penn State football, but the essence of PSU itself: Don't forget, he and his wife donated millions to add a new wing to the Penn State library. And, I repeat, what did this alleged traffic incident have to do with Penn State football, even with Jo's involvement?
posted on October 12, 2007 10:38 AM — link — abuse? said:
Coach Paterno - who wouldn't even acknowledge the road rage story days ago - is now commenting further on the incident as the story makes its way into the mainstream media.
"I've been accused of road rage," Paterno said. "I was only doing something I've done plenty of times to students."
But did you give the double-eagle, Coach??
"I pointed my finger at [the woman driver]," Paterno said. "I did not give her the middle finger, even if I knew what that meant."
Puh-leeze!!!! Now we're supposed to believe that JoPa doesn't know what the bird is/means??
I don't buy it. I can understand there was a "misunderstanding" in the road rage incident, but I have to take issue with JoPa milking the 'hey, I'm just an old geezer' routine just a little too far this time.
Also, campus police have announced that no charges will be filed against Paterno.
"From the two stories, we could not determine whether the incident warrants any criminal or traffic citations, so we closed out the case," Parham said Thursday.
Gee...I'm *so* shocked.
TE
posted on October 12, 2007 12:55 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
That dude has achieved Vito Corleone status over there...But, unfortunately, it's a post-Solozzo the Turk backed by the Tattaligia's and Barnzini's...
He's all hat, no cowboy...Or, as I've referred to before...Like the character Bernie from "Weekend At Bernie's" if you will...
Lennie Collins
posted on October 12, 2007 1:22 PM — 67.67.223.182 — link — abuse? said:
Ya know what fellow college football fans if the lady and her husband gone let JoPa make then I gone let him make it. Something tells me JoPa is going to be making headlines again soon. I just hope that it is for sumthin' good!
Tampa Hurricane
posted on October 12, 2007 3:27 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse? said:
Suspended Penn State running back Austin Scott has been charged with raping a woman at his on-campus apartment after meeting her at a bar.
Scott, 22, was arraigned Friday on charges of rape, sexual assault and two counts of aggravated indecent assault, all felonies, in connection with the Oct. 5 encounter.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3060571
What the hell is going on at Penn State? You have a coach getting in to fights over traffic and a player raping people. Looks like someone has to take control over the program.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on October 12, 2007 3:38 PM — 198.211.223.194 — link — abuse?
I think we've milked this story for all its worth.
If the worst that comes out of all of this is that Coach Paterno learns that his use of the middle finger means something else to the rest of the world and the lady thinks twice before storming through a stop sign at 15 mph again, then I think college football will survive.
Big Tide said:
posted on October 12, 2007 4:45 PM — 69.34.227.69 — link — abuse?
PSU 1970 (#35) I agree that this might all be a non-story and our tabloid society is hungry for dirt, but I think you are being just a tad naive to think that Joe Paterno getting into any kind of altercation out in the street with two graduate students is a non-story. We went through this at Alabama and you all are going through it now at Penn State. The only reason Paterno is the coach is that he is JOE PATERNO. You guys will run off half a dozen coaches in the years to come with teams performing like these last few Penn State squads. He's an icon. He's the face of Penn State. When Joe talks people listen and when a report goes out that he's in the street giving it to a couple a grad students, using profanity, giving the double eagle, etc., that is a legit story. At least it is to me.
PSU1970 said:
posted on October 12, 2007 6:04 PM — 24.0.51.37 — link — abuse?
Beg to differ, Big Tide. Aparently there was NO middle finger - NO flip off - NO double flying Eagle. The story is all too typical of people who do the wrong thing (the graduate students), get taken to task for it, and try to blame everything, and everyone else in the universe so that they do not have to accept personal responsibilty for their inappropriate and dangerous actions. Jo pointed a finger at them, no doubt. He probably shook it at them - Oh my! Every one of us has witnessed a dangerous act and has wanted to tell someone off - not have an altercation - just tell 'em to be careful and be mindful of others. If you notice the sidelines of any given game, you'll see Joe shaking his finger at a player or official. Don't believe that he EVER flipped the bird to any of them.
Big Tide said:
posted on October 12, 2007 8:18 PM — 12.208.88.211 — link — abuse?
PSU 1970 Man this has really stuck a nerve hasn't it? Are you related to Joe? The point I'm trying to make is that the man is a highly paid, well known public figure. The intial story was reported as a "road rage" incident and he was alleged (by the grad students) to have been somewhat nasty. I don't know if he flipped the bird or shot them a moon and really don't care, but I have to take exception to your feelings that somehow Joe is above reproach. Maybe in the heart of Nittany Lion country but in the rest of the USA he's just a public figure with faults like everyone else. Mike Price was a private citizen as well and it isn't illegal to go to strip clubs or to even "allegedly" bring strippers to your hotel room but suddenly that story was front and center of Sports Illustrated for crying out loud. What does that have to do with Alabama football or sports period? Everything. He's the coach. People want to know what the coach is doing.
This story is dead because the facts are out and everyone seems satisfied that Coach Paterno didn't do anything improper. But let's say the entire story was true. Would that make a difference? Sure it would. I agree that Joe is all class (except when Matt Millen tells it)and these students were probably in the wrong but until the facts are out - who knows? My point was simply to point out that anything regarding Joe Paterno is news. Plain and simple.
By the way, when I was school we had the home and home series with Penn State and I have to say that the Penn State fans were some of the best people I ever met. I wasn't able to make it up to Pennsylvania but everyone I knew that did go said the same thing. I have a lot of respect for your program and hopefully your transition from Legendary Coach to New Coach will be a smooth one.
Tim said:
posted on October 16, 2007 4:13 PM — 144.160.130.16 — link — abuse?
What bothers me about this story is that the accusers names have been kept secret. We are supposed to believe is that are not your "ordinary" students but "Graduate" students. This, it is expected, is supposed to be repitable enough for the reader. This simply is not good enough. For a source to be repitable, it must be stated or considered false (for example, Crystal Gale Magnum at Duke was not a repitable source for rape charges). There is no room for any middle ground here. The reader needs to know the sources to make up their own mind as to the objective facts presented. This is why reference papers require a Bibliography. When the author leaves out important facts and presents subjective data, these are opinions.
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Lennie Collins
said:
posted on October 9, 2007 1:16 PM — 67.67.223.182 — link — abuse?I used to love Ol' JoPA but it seems this joker is making headlines lately for the wrong reasons. First Beeping with some lil' childrens over some doggone logo and now this? Sit your old, one good legged butt down and try to figure out a way ta beat Michigan or retire, Geez!