June 6, 2006
SEC could fight new transfer rule
SEC athletic directors have discussed ways to oppose a new NCAA transfer rule that was passed in April. The rule would allow student-athletes who have graduated and still have athletic eligibility to transfer to another school for graduate school and be able to play immediately. Duke offensive lineman Tyler Krieg already transferred to Cal under the rule and Arizona QB Richard Kovalchek transferred to Vanderbilt.
The SEC has changed its own rules to make them in compliance with the new rule.
Comments:
sometomfool said:
posted on June 6, 2006 5:32 PM — 64.142.91.184 — link — abuse?
Now we all know that there is some money involved in College sports, but the "College" in it should at least put students interests somewhere ahead of the money.
The guys aren't getting formally paid, but because of their atheltic success and work they are allowd a few perks, like an education and perhaps a large hand up in entry to academic levels they might not have been admitted to without their sporting prowess.
This rule would only apply pretty great players, and a decent enough students to make it through a college in four years (or are some colleges so easy that they dont need to work to graduate).
These players can parley their heads up atheletics and non slacking studies to gain admittance to a graduat school. Toss them a bone won't you?. Not even a high percentage of divission one players can make a career in pro sports...give the athletes the little spiff of a better graduate school degree?
Being against that would be blatantly against the students own interest an only focussed on the benfits of the fundraising of the universities.
Sure the balance might shift between schools a bit, and the SEC schools would lose out to places like Staford Cal, Northwestern, maybe even harvard and yale would snatch some senior quaterbacks by dangling the best law degree. All in all schools with better graduate programs could snatch players away. Stars at div II schools could find away to profit even though they might not even have a shot at pro play.
This is entirely pro student athlete and if the NCAA wanted to emphasize school parity over academic opportunity of kids that thrived in their undegraduate studies and play, they'd show themselves once again as some sort of anti achievement organization.
The Crassness of any schools opposing the rule would be clearling appearant... openly exposing that they depend on athletic success to keep their alumni ego's or fund rasing abilities and ready to sacrifice successful college athletes ablity to better their educations.
J. Morris said:
posted on June 7, 2006 12:14 AM — 172.166.183.155 — link — abuse?
The ones opposing this rule are the "haves".It is a rule that rewards a "good student" athlete. They are the only ones that will graduate in three (3) years and go on to graduate school.
Some SEC coaches have suggested that they will see that students get F's to keep them from graduating early-- as Jr's. The coaches just have to be in control-- they think.
Well it's time for the Presidents to show who is in control and reward the student athletes.
R. Hays said:
posted on June 7, 2006 6:46 AM — 172.128.51.59 — link — abuse?
How in the world could it be bad? These kids have served their commitment and graduated from their respective college with honors.
It is not a service of four years to a college or fans.This could be a wonderful thing in that it might slow the tide of those colleges who give grades for play.
It is good for the students in that they can move on to another college who might be willing to pay for their undergraduate studies.
AgRyan04 said:
posted on June 8, 2006 11:52 PM — 67.10.44.22 — link — abuse?
As if recruiting high school and JUCO kids wasn't already crazy enough
The one place that I think really hurts is the non-BCS schools and the lower end football schools in big conferences (where they have just a couple of big time players). They're going to become a sort of small scale farm system for the big schools to pick through.
anon.4 said:
posted on June 10, 2006 2:42 PM — 71.11.244.179 — link — abuse?
This is great rule I just cannot understand how thick headed the SEC has become. It is fine to not finish your degree and declare for the draft, but there is something wrong when a student-athlete decides to go to a better school to further their education. No offense to most players in the SEC but the great majority of them are there not for an education. This rule will only affect divsion 1-A since different rules apply to someone who finishes their degree at a division 1-A and go onto to graduate school at a divsion 1-AA.
Stu said:
posted on June 10, 2006 4:06 PM — 68.211.30.154 — link — abuse?
There is a way to manage this within a codified system, with the end result that greater responsibility is placed upon the athlete. The burden should fall on the student to make his current school aware so that THEY can offer an additional scholly to new recruits. It would remove some of the sting for the schools.
A. Students who are in their 3rd year of eligibility who will graduate by the end of fall semester would sign an LOI to seek another school for grad work, but they must do so by January 15th.
B. The school losing the player may then use this scholly toward their new signing class in February, or they may use it toward a student transferring in as a grad student. Either way, the school has ample time to react to the lost student.
This scenario does, however, leave a small gap from which some students could not escape; those graduating in winter/spring semester would have no recourse. Is that fair? Not to the student, but it is for the university.
I think the majority of kids who will want to go this route are probably students who've thought about for more than a couple of months. If they want to exercise the option, then they have to plan their courseloads to hit that graduation/LOI cut off.
Auburn DAD said:
posted on August 11, 2006 11:52 PM — 24.159.67.231 — link — abuse?
BAMA would have to drop their football program if grades had to be earned and not given away. The only investments made were the ones to bribe/lure athletes to their program.
Probably will not get a response here, since only the facts have been spoken..........
JT said:
posted on August 28, 2006 1:03 AM — 71.213.226.54 — link — abuse?
Wow, I wonder what the great scholars of the SEC institutions make of all of this. Surely they think more highly of graduation and graduate studies than the slackers who head athletics in the conference. Seriously, coaches and ADs need to remember that college is foremost about learning. Why should a student-athlete be punished for working hard and/or superior intellect when academic infidels can get 5 or 6 years of eligibility and never graduate, much less lift a book?
T-Mac said:
posted on August 29, 2006 1:30 PM — 66.78.161.35 — link — abuse?
CANES ALUM,very insightful post.Joking.SEC scholars isn't an oxymoron bro.Instead of worrying about scholars anyway worry about your Canes against FSU.BTW-If Miami played in the SEC they would be lucky to win 7 or 8 games a season.That's a fact Jack!T-Mac
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on August 29, 2006 2:36 PM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
T-Mac how can you honestly state that "If Miami played in the SEC they would be lucky to win 7 or 8 games a season"? Are you high or drunk? Anyone that looks at Miami's football talent and is honest would admit that they always are a top 25 team that could continue to win 10+ games if they were in the SEC. Does the space bar work on your keyboard, bro because you should be placing spaces after your periods. With your gramatical skills all readers can see that SEC scholars must be an oxymoron.
Gerald said:
posted on August 29, 2006 3:53 PM — 216.113.128.239 — link — abuse?
Tampa Hurricane:
We both know that the dominant Schnellenberger, Johnson, Erickson, and Davis/Coker teams would have done quite well in the SEC, or in any other league for that matter. But like FSU, a lot of Miami teams - especially recently - have not been so great, and have just been beating up on a bunch of teams that call a bid to the Insight.com Bowl a great season. As a matter of fact, since the Erickson national titles, Miami has really only had 3 good years ... the last one by Davis then the 2 by Coker.Just look at the national titles. The Big East has won 1 national title in its existence ... and that was Coker's Miami team. They have only played for 2 more ... losses by Virginia Tech and Miami. I grant you that West Virginia SHOULD have played for the national title in 1993 against Nebraska, but let's face it either Nebraska, FSU, or even Notre Dame would have killed West Virginia that year. The ACC? The same story. FSU is the only ACC team to have even played for the national title since 1990 (when Georgia Tech, who needed a late field goal to tie a 2 - 9 team, won the national title in the Gator Bowl by beating #21 Nebraska).
Now, compare that to the SEC. Alabama in 92, Florida in 97, Tennessee in 98, LSU in 03, and that does not even count the two undefeated Auburn teams, or all the other SEC teams whose only losses were to other top 5 SEC teams. That doesn't happen in the ACC or Big East, because you rarely have more than 1 ACC or Big East team in the top 10 at the same time. Even the last two years in the expanded ACC, they could not manage two top 10 teams, thanks in no small part to the conference champ being 8 - 5. Oh yeah, and Miami getting killed in the Peach Bowl by ... you guessed it ... an SEC team.
T-Mac said:
posted on August 29, 2006 7:35 PM — 66.78.161.35 — link — abuse?
Gerald,great post #15 bro.Yeah you can tell Tampa Hurricane is still pissed about his Canes gettin a beatdown 40-3 in the Peach Bowl.He says if Miami was in the SEC they would still win 10+ games every year.Wasn't the team that gave Miami that Beatdown in the Peach Bowl LSU.Oh yeah,it was LSU.I might be wrong but I think LSU plays in the SEC.Wait,I'm not wrong.LSU is in the SEC.Hmmmmmmmm Go Figure!T-Mac
Tampa Hurricane said:
posted on August 30, 2006 8:31 AM — 24.96.199.254 — link — abuse?
Why is it that everytime someone from Miami questions the SEC it comes back to the LSU game? Doesn't anyone that has SEC ties realize that the game didn't mean shit? A Miami fan's thinking (and we get bashed on this all the time by fans of loser programs that can't compete for the national championship regularly) is that the only thing worth playing for is the national championship. It is a common known fact that second place is the first loser.
Gerald if you look at the statistics for the period that you are referencing, you will notice that Miami won two national championships in those years. Is it a better stat to say that a whole conference won 4 national championships in a period or a single team won 2?!? As for your two undefeated Auburn teams that you are so proud of, one was on probation and the other one missed the title game because they played pussies instead of good opponents.
As for saying that the ACC rarely has more than 1 team in the top ten, you must either be retarded or unable to comprehend what teams are regularly in the top 10. If you go back and check the 2005 polls, you will notice that the ACC had 2 teams in the top 10 for most of the year and 3 during parts of the year. I know that you are an SEC fan which means your intelligence is probably lacking, but if you use your fingers you might be able to tell that 2 and 3 are numbers that are greater than 1.
JT said:
posted on September 2, 2006 4:08 PM — 12.226.30.216 — link — abuse?
CANES ALUM -- Apparently you misunderstood my post. When I used the word "scholar(s)", I was referring the following definition: "a learned or erudite person, especially one who has profound knowledge of a particular subject". I was, then, referring to professors rather than students and graduates when I used the term "scholars". Since the SEC has several solid graduate schools around which scholars tend to flock, yes CANES ALUM, the SEC has scholars.
Beyond that, the SEC does have scholars in terms of intelligent students. One will be playing QB for Vanderbilt this year. Still, football players are not the only ones who count as students, and these SEC schools, just like those in the ACC, all have lots of high-achieving academics.
Jeff Quinton said:
posted on June 6, 2006 12:09 PM — link — abuse?The AFCA is against it now too. June 27 is the date it could be overturned, if 100 additional votes were lined up.