November 30, 2006
Backup QB Snead leaving Texas
Burnt Orange Nation is confirming that Texas backup QB Jevan Snead is leaving the Longhorns.
Given the hits, bell-ringings, and pinched nerve that starter Colt McCoy has taken so far this year and the performance of Snead in UT games, this is big loss for the 'Horns.
Peter gives his take:
In the short-term, it's a pretty big inconvenience. I've already stated that I'd prefer Colt McCoy be shut down for the rest of this season. The temptation to rush McCoy back now is greater, assuming Snead isn't an option to play in Texas' bowl game.Staying with the short-term, if McCoy's not good to go (or if the staff wisely decides to play it safe), who can Texas turn to? You can forget burning Sherrod Harris' redshirt - that won't happen. Who does that leave? Texas either plays walk-on third stringer Matt McCoy or goes with Quan Cosby. Yes - flanker Quan Cosby.
Going with Cosby would make for great entertainment, but of course if I'm advocating shutting down McCoy out of a desire to see the 2007 team protected, it hardly makes sense to advocate starting Cosby behind center. I'm almost to the point of suggesting that Texas' decline its bowl invitation. Honestly, there's just nothing left to gain. No experience for Snead. Too much risk with McCoy's injury....
Hmmm.... a third stringer or flanker as QB in the bowl game?? Remind me not to put money on Texas.
Comments:
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 30, 2006 9:57 AM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
I don't understand these kids. This guy is a true freshman. What did Mack Brown tell him? That Colt McCoy was no good? We had Rocky Hinds pull the same stuff a couple years back when he was a RS frosh. Thought he ought to have beaten out JD Booty for backup to Leinart. Look at him now. Leading UNLV to a 2-10 record in the stout MWC. Amazing how these kids find ways to ruin their lives. Did he really think he was gonna start as a true freshman? I'm sure he got a shot and I know he's good. He could be playing in that Bowl game. Where is the loyalty to the team that you have chosen? I don't get it. If you can't wait your turn - you cannot succeed and you cannot lead as a QB. QB's have always had to wait and learn. Sad situation. One thing I have noticed about Texas though, and this is very different than USC, is that Texas signs everybody on well in advance of them finishing up their senior year in high school. Maybe Mack ought to risk waiting a little longer and try and find out more about what he's taking on. I'm not knockin' him, don't get me wrong (this can happen anywhere anytime), just that with the QB position it is very important to get the right guy.
Tommie T
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 30, 2006 11:40 AM — 216.103.178.34 — link — abuse?
Tommy T,
College is usually the first time that anyone is honest with a good but not great player. During High School and the recruiting process everyone tells you that you are going to "have the opportunity" to start right away and you will be an NFL player. It is not until you get on campus that reality sets in. Some kids are not mentally tough enough to handle it. That is why it is impressive to see kids like JD Booty and Dj Shockley from Georgia in 2005. They waited their turn and where ready to go when the time came. I can name off two dozen guys that transferred and were never heard from again. When a guy leave a program, it usually, not always shows he is immature and mentally weak. Those are traits not found in most great football players. They all think that if they just get a chance to play, they will get to the next level. The truth is if you cannot start for your college team, you are not going to make an NFL roster. Sometimes the truth hurts.
AgGB said:
posted on November 30, 2006 11:48 AM — 66.76.55.152 — link — abuse?
it'll be hard to convince mack to lay off of his early recruiting practice. recruiting in texas is incredibly competitive. of course there are a lot of high schools, but if you'll notice, most of ou's team is all texas boys who have lost their way (poor souls), ttu, ok state, texas, a&m, colorado, baylor, tcu, lsu, la tech, la lafayette, and a whole host of smaller schools recruit heavily in texas. you find some nebraska, missouri, and kstate recruiters around too. i would imagine that's the reason mack wants to get them early and i dont really blame him.
i really dont think snead is all that great and he shouldnt feel bad about being back up to mccoy. mccoy's a gamer. hell he played the whole a&m game hobbled and took shot after shot. of course, i dont know who our back up is, but if snead wants to come see if he can take mcgee's spot, that'd be great. does anyone know where snead's planning to go? anywhere but tech, ou, or nebraska would be fine with me. it seems that when players transfer they go to a lesser school where they know they'll start. then when they get there, they dont have a team to lead. that's what may happen to this cat if he's not careful.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on November 30, 2006 12:15 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
I think Snead is making this decision because its in his best interest to transfer out of the University Texas. Snead was an excellent High School quarterback and in my opinion outplayed Mitch Mustain and several other highly touted QB's in the US Amy sponsored high school all-star game played in San Antonio, Texas last year. I think he realizes that Mack Brown has found his "Darling QB" in Colt McCoy, much the same way Brown chose Sims over Applewhite, despite Major's success on the field. If Snead is ever going to get a real chance to prove he can be a good QB at the D-1 level then he's going to have to do it at another university. I'm not taking anything away from Colt or his ability to run the Longhorn offense, on the contrary, I think Colt is exactly what Mack wants in a QB. This doesn't necessarily equate to Colt being a better QB than Snead, just a better fit for what Mack wants. When you have 2 quarterbacks of this caliber on the same team, somone is going to have to stay in the shadow on the other "chosen one". I think Jevan understands his situation with the Longhorns and realizes that he is better than your typical back-up QB.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 30, 2006 1:16 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Okay people. Every position is 5-6 guys deep. All other players wait in line to get their shot. An interior lineman has to pump weight for two years minimum to get near the field. RB's - there are many on any team. All positions have many people and depth is a requirement. Why is it that young QB's don't think that they have to provide depth for their teammates or wait their turn to start? I notice that it is mainly QB's, with their prima donna attitudes, that transfer most often early in their careers. Please don't tell me that it is because they are smarter than the other players. I'm not buyin' that. There is something lacking in these players - that is my opinion. What is really yours? There is no excuse to bail because you can't play now. Most all other players understand that they are gonna pay their dues.
Tommie T
OU-Ron said:
posted on November 30, 2006 2:08 PM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse?
I believe in snead's case, he just does not want to be a backup QB. If McCoy stays healthy, that's all he will be. I think Snead is a hell of a lot better than that. And to AgGB, your right--we do like those Texas young men to play for OU, however your wrong if you think they lost their way--they found the right way and the best of the best-GO OU
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 30, 2006 2:54 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
Probably would not shock me if Snead were to end up at Oklahoma or Nebraska. Nebraska might be the ticket. He could start in two years after Keller leaves. His opportunity might get misses at Oklahoma. He should have enrolled there to begin with. Nebraska looks good for him.
Tommie Trojan
HOOK'EM said:
posted on November 30, 2006 6:50 PM — 72.206.107.96 — link — abuse?
Snead is leaving for one reason. Brantley and Chiles (ok two). These two are both Rivals 5 star kids and Brantley is ranked No.2 at QB.
According to the Austin Statesman Snead is looking at Louisville, TCU, and Houston.
During mop up games where Snead could have been in much earlier Colt was racking up stats. Too bad. We wish Jevan luck at wichever school he chooses.HOOK'EM
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 30, 2006 7:50 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
HOOK'EM:
Okay! But, we need a good backup for Mark Sanchez in two years - maybe Pete Carroll will offer him a spot on the bench. Think he'd take it? I don't. We couldn't land Jimmy Claussen this year. Charlie Weis grabbed him up. Same thing. Kid thinks he's gonna walk onto the field at Notre Dame and light up the NCAA. Can't wait to play Notre Dame in 2007.
Tommie T
C-DOGG said:
posted on November 30, 2006 9:41 PM — 76.188.148.131 — link — abuse?
I seen this situation with the Florida Gators. Rex Grossman beats out Brock Berlin for the starting job (although I believe Brock was much more highly regarded coming out of high school). Brock tranfers to Miami and proves that Florida made the right choice. He was mediocre at "the U" and Rex is the QB of the best team in the NFC (record wise). He should stay at UT. It worked out for Troy Smith @ Ohio State when that other kid couldn't cut it in the big time.
Horn4Life said:
posted on November 30, 2006 10:15 PM — 70.122.248.118 — link — abuse?
Good luck to Snead
And guys don't worry Texas wont have to decline any bowl bid cuz Colt McCoy will play and if he gets injured in the game..well..Texas is screwed and i gues they can throw in the other McCoy and minimize his passing or sumtin..idk
volstrike3 said:
posted on November 30, 2006 10:53 PM — 75.20.190.14 — link — abuse?
He will not end up in the big XII. There is no way Mack will give him a release and let him stay in conference. If he is smart, he will go to U of L and beat up on those soft big east secondarys. He might be an All American playing in the big east.
cypheaux said:
posted on December 1, 2006 1:15 AM — 70.112.81.39 — link — abuse?
I think Snead saw the writing on the wall when Brown/Davis chose McCoy at 75% over Snead against the Aggies. Right after the K-State loss, the word was out that McCoy was seriously injured and should sit out at least the Aggie game (if not the rest of the season). But the quest for the Freshman TD record overpowered common sense. McCoy did the best he could and Snead watched the debacle.
Combine that vote of No Confidence with Snead's lack of meaningful playing time during the season...
I'd leave too!Paul said:
posted on December 1, 2006 10:56 AM — 24.155.243.76 — link — abuse?
I agree with cypheaux. Its clear that Mack has chosen McCoy and the quarterback. McCoy was clearly not healthy against A&M. I don't know if he threw a single pass for more than 20 yards accurately, but he was left in the game. It took him being carried off the field on a stretcher for Mack to put Snead in the game. He doesn't have enough experience to say how well he'll do elsewhere. Best of luck to him.
FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 1, 2006 12:22 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
If getting to play is more important than where you play- then Jevan deserves a chance to explore his options. Obviously, just being on the team isn't all he cares about and he wants to have an impact somewhere. He's got alot of talent ad I'm sure he'll be successful whereever he goes. But then again, starting at QB for any school has got to be a better option than sitting on the bench anywhere else for a competitor. Anyone content with riding the pine at UT or anywhere else, might make you question an athletes desire and ability to lead a major program.
HOOK'EM said:
posted on December 1, 2006 6:29 PM — 68.110.23.139 — link — abuse?
Maybe we could put Quan in at Qb. Then he could be passing to Cosby (same person). My gosh we sure could use a qulified QB...while we'er at it how bout a DC? Know a good one? Even better, how bout a descent Offencive Corddiator and we wouldn't be having this entire conversation!
What the heck happen to this season?HOOK'EM
goodolnuma5 said:
posted on December 1, 2006 8:01 PM — 24.208.149.244 — link — abuse?
These guys crack me up. If youre good youll play. But he is a QB, and they always think theyre better that they are. Why is it that RBs, WRs, DBs have to fight to play, but these guys want something given to them that they havent earned?
FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 4, 2006 2:34 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
#23- goodolnuma5
"If youre good youll play. But he is a QB, and they always think theyre better that they are. Why is it that RBs, WRs, DBs have to fight to play, but these guys want something given to them that they havent earned?"Evidently your statement is based on the fact that you are a little biased against QB's. According to Rivals.com, of the top 10 transfers from a D-1 school to another D-1 school in 2006 there were 3 Def. players and 7 off. players. The Def. players consisted of 2 Cornerbacks and 1 Def. End. and of the 7 Off. players, 3 were WR's, 2 were QB's and there was 1 RB and 1 OL.
There seems to be a pretty fair mix between the positions, which doesn't really support your theory that QB's want something given to them that they haven't earned where as CB', WR's and RB's fight for a postion.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 4, 2006 7:18 PM — 70.249.45.100 — link — abuse?
Coach Davis has always been too conservitive in my opinion.I beleive the reason they stuck with Colt in the A&M game goes back to the old Simms and Applewhite contraversy.UT had a great recruiting class this year and we as fans were looking foward to seeing them play.Coach Brown and his staff red-shirt alot of guys or they get in at the end of blowouts.Its their program to develop the younger guys gradually when possible.
Remember a guy named Vincent who was red-shirted as a freshman, then saw some limited action the next year.
Snead signed with one of the premiere programs in the country and now he's not happy.To receive a full ride at a major institution should be incentive enough to stick it out and fight for your spot on the team.
Cant wait to see S.Harris play.See yall at the Alamo City. Hookem-HornsFanoftheGame said:
posted on December 5, 2006 2:45 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
If every player in college football were given an equal oppurtunity to fight for a position and rewarded justly for their efforts then we would have to assume that life is always fair. For those Texas fans who have fond memories of Major Applewhite directing the Mighty Longhorn offense, only to have them dashed by Mack benching the "winner" for his "Golden Boy" Sims- you can see things aren't always fair. I disagree that a "full ride" to Texas (or anywhere else) should be enough for an athlete to sell-out his dream if he isn't happy with his situation. It's not like transferring out of school is against any NCAA rules. On the contrary, there are NCAA rules for transferring athletes and even certain sacrifices that some of these athletes have to make in order to transfer (like losing a year of eligibility). I'm not saying that every acholarship athlete who never cracks the starting line-up is selling out- For some, if not most, it is the situation that they are happy enough with. But for some, I think they see that same situation as a choice to "sell-out" or "Get-out". I think that most Longhorn fans see that this is Jevan's personal choice and allthough they hate to see him leave Texas, they wish him well in his future endeavors. I think real college football fans believe that their favorite teams, programs and universities are much bigger than any one athlete who walks through their doors. Most of us have been fans for many years and have witnessed generation after generation of new athletes grace our stadiums. We will continue to cheer for the next generation as much as we did the last and our dreams of the perfect season for our teams will always be there. The reality of being a college football fan is that we enjoy this sport as much for it's past and it's future as we do for the present. Jevan's leaving isn't going to handicap the future of Texas football and he is only making the choice he thinks is best for him.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 3:20 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
FanOfTheGame:
I agree mostly with your comments. Of course any kid might want to play. We had Whitney Lewis play through his RS junior season and not make it to the field (nations #2 recruit overall). So, he transfers to Northern Iowa. He'll get one year to play. Hope he does well. He could not beat out Jarrett or Smith. Now, that said, the kid devoted three years to tryin' to make it happen at USC. It's best for both parties at that point. It frees up another scholarship for a prospective "player" and it helps Lewis move on and start somewhere else.
The case with players like Snead is not the same. He's a QB and a freshman. All freshmen QB's are reshirted at USC - period. Booty was not a RS as a freshmen, as we needed him to play B/U to Lienart (as Matt Cassel was injured), but was then redshirted during his soph season. Matt Lienart was a RS soph before he played. My complaint is that this guy never gave the program, or himself, a chance. You cannot expect to come in and play as a freshman QB - I don't care who you are. I would be willing to bet, that Charlie Weis finds anybody to open the season with next year, rather than Jimmy Claussen. Anybody want to make that bet? Jimmy Claussen will sit and watch for a little while - even though he is regarded as the best QB to come into college in years. Or, what does he do, quit? No, he'll be playin', and probably winning a Heisman, at Notre Dame shortly if he'll just hang on.Tommie T
FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 5, 2006 5:19 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tommie;
I hear what you're saying and I can agree with your argument.....but......You and I don't know everything about this situation. We definately know less than Mack Brown or Jevan Snead. What we do know is that Texas (like USC) has great athletes 4 deep in the rotation. We also know that transferring is not as uncommon as people may think. We know that if Colt McCoy is Mack's "Golden Boy", then Jevan will be religated to backup for his entire college career. Mack has a history of doing things his way. If Jevan takes over for Colt due to an injury, then regardless of Jevans stats, he goes back to the bench.This was proven over and over again with the Applewhite/Sims situation. Sims flops then gets hurt-Major comes in leads the Horns to victory in a dramatic comeback-Job belongs to Sims. OVer and OVer it seemed like this was going on every other week. Major never lost the starting job, Mack took it and gave it to Sims. Now he's the coach and he can do whatever he wants with his team. Jevan knows this as well as you and I do, as well as a lot more than you and I do. I understand your argument that he wasn't there long enough to give things a chance. But perhaps the chance just isn't there. Maybe Mack, Jevan and all the Longhorns allready know it- but we don't. When Jevan graduated High School early so he could enroll at UT early and get a head start on learing the offense, I thought here's a kid who came to UT knowing there were other good HS QB's either here or on their way here- so he's going to do whatever it takes to get the job. Mayabe he's done more in his first season than other QB's do in 4 years to earn a starting job- I don't know. Maybe he thinks he's done enough to get the job, and just aybe he has, but Mack's mind is made up.
Since, you and I are not Mack and Jevan its all going to add up to beans and speculation, regardless of what we think. People I've talked with says Jevan is not quitter and he's as competitive as anyone they know- I don't know him personally so I can't say. Maybe, just maybe, Mack Brown's program quit on Jevan, rather than the other way around.
I'm not a USC Trojan fan, but I'm a big Pete Carrol fan. He's a players coach and a damn good one. I can see as where you'd have to earn it to get it with him. What I do know without a doubt is that Mack Brown ain't no Peter Carrol. Not even close.Tommie Trojan said:
posted on December 5, 2006 5:40 PM — 64.32.153.19 — link — abuse?
FanOfTheGame:
Well, your probably right. I'm just a depth freak. USC practices are full contact and I do beleive that we knock more guys out of practice than we do in the games. We take alot of injuries. Season ending ones quite often I might add. You guys won't hear about them - because they happen in practice most of the time. That is why depth is so important. I'm just astonished that we have not had a single QB get killed in the last six years. Mind blowin' to me.
That said: your right about Pete Carroll. There is opportunity - but you have to earn it. I don't think that he has deliberately lied to any recruit. Kids that I might bitch about are generally 3-star players, that I think look real good, who might be on the field. Maybe Pete doesn't think their ready. Out here people are calling for Mark Sanchez already. The kid is a RS frosh and people think he's ready to take over Booty's job. I don't agree. Booty plays and Sanchez sits. End of controversy. Otherwise, we do end up like Texas. That is not good. Maybe Mack Brown has it figured out now. Maybe he told Snead - no you sit and Colt plays. There are a 100 players on each team. Each week 50 are told to sit while 50 get to play.
Hey, how bout that Jeff Garcia? Guy rides the pine behind Donovan McNabb, McNabb goes down, and Garcia is there to pick up his teammates. Imagine the admiration that those teammates have for Jeff Garcia right about now? I suppose if Snead was gettin' Garcia's paycheck it might not be too difficult to just kick it on the bench though.Tommie T
FanoftheGame said:
posted on December 5, 2006 6:00 PM — 12.43.234.14 — link — abuse?
Tommie:
Like I said, I've never been a big USC fan, but I have alot of respect for your coach. Enough in fact, that I find myself rooting for the Trojans almost week in and week out. It seems that the biggest coaching mistake made by head coaches today is trying to name who there great players are going to be. I see Carrol as the kind of coach who recruits well, coaches the kids to be superior athletes, instills a sense of confidence and pride in them- and then gives them the chance to prove that they are great players. Kind of like, here's what you are capable of; this is what you need to know; this is how its done; NOW GO DO IT! And do it better than everyone else.
If I were a die hard Trojan fan, I'd find it hard to ever second guess the coach that restored the USC program back to prominence. You guys are very fortunate to have a coach like that. Best of luck against the Wolverines.Tomcat said:
posted on December 7, 2006 2:26 AM — 69.153.81.120 — link — abuse?
Hey Fanofthegame I agree with post #32 I saw Snead in the All-Star Army game in S.A. and I thought he really had a shot at U.T. Hey if the kid has a chance at TCU or whatever I dont blame him at all and wish him luck.
Weve seen the quarterback rotation at UT over the years and we all remember the starter throwing 4 picks and late in the game the proven winner come in to late to help.
In reference to my earlier comment. The kid knew what he was getting into in the begining,right?
Look at TTech new fifth year QB every season of course thats Tech and not U.T.
Snead has to do whats best for Snead
Hookem-Horns
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TrojanHorse said:
posted on November 30, 2006 8:45 AM — 132.228.195.206 — link — abuse?man, I've seen this happen too many times, a QB transfers b/c he is not starting and then poof, the starter goes down with an injury, becomes ineligible, gets booted (Bomar), or just stinks up the joint and he transfers too soon.. otoh, it could be Matt Leinart, never missing a game, setting record numbers for three years and you don't ever get to play but then you could be Matt Cassell and still get drafted if you are in a good program.
Back to Snead, Why isn't he an option for the bowl game, I understand he said he is leaving so if thats the case so be it.. but is there a technical reason he isn't leaving like some sort of rule or something?
Has Quan Cosby taken any snaps? Who is the back up for Cosby?