November 27, 2005
A&M Cav member charged when the sh*t hits the band
A sophomore in the Texas A&M's Mounted Cavalry was charged Friday with throwing a shovel full of horse crap onto members of the Texas band just A&M-UT game.
John Richmond Sullivan, 20, was seen by a University Police Department lieutenant throwing a shovel full of horse feces onto band members at Kyle Field at about 10 a.m. Friday, according to an officer's affidavit.UT band director Robert Carnochan told police that he and the band members did not want to press criminal charges, though they did want Texas A&M to discipline Sullivan, the court documents state.
Sullivan was arrested and charged with criminal mischief because the feces had to be removed by Texas A&M personnel, causing "substantial inconvenience and a pecuniary loss of $50 or more," according to the affidavit.
Comments:
IsThisWhatItsComeTo said:
posted on November 27, 2005 8:59 PM — 69.22.9.31 — link — abuse?
Glad you find it amusing Ryan. While I have to admit that the headline of the story is funny at first, it actually doesn't sit well with me at all. It's clear that this young man doesn't see the difference between a funny practical joke and something that is completely disrespectful and harmful to what is usually a healthy rivaly.
And as to your comment about the "hideous orange"...incidents like this continue to make me more proud to wear my burnt orange...with or without horse manure on it. Maybe upstanding Aggies, like I'm sure you actually are, should stand up and say that this is not OK. I sure would be embarrassed if a Longhorn had done the same.
Larry said:
posted on November 28, 2005 8:46 AM — 155.8.89.2 — link — abuse?
I have to agree even though I'm a Tech alum and no lover of the "burnt orange", literally throwing crap on the UT band was a little over the top and definitely doesn't portray Aggies in a good light. Now if he had gotten Reveille to lift his leg on the UT band, that would be a different story!!
TexAggiegal07 said:
posted on November 28, 2005 10:19 AM — 128.194.56.198 — link — abuse?
I find it terribly upsetting that a member of A&M would do something like that. Traditionally, Aggies and Longhorns are civil to one another and I can't believe this kind of action would take place.
For what it's worth, I submit an apology to the Longhorn Band.
Rush3k said:
posted on November 28, 2005 11:04 AM — 165.91.194.119 — link — abuse?
Being a former member of the Corps of Cadets, I think Mr. Sullivan actions are in line with the general perception that other than being a bunch of redneck supremacist white kids, most members of the Parsons' Mounted Calvary are also a bunch of retards riding horses that are probably smarter than they are.
Senor Pez said:
posted on November 28, 2005 12:52 PM — 63.162.183.2 — link — abuse?
I put up with some bad stuff when I was in the marching band at Purdue, but this is above and beyond all of it. There's a difference between having a good rivalry between your school and the one down the road, and crossing the line into being an complete and total idiot.
What Mr. Sullivan doesn't realize is that, outside of those Aggie message boards, he's not only made himself out to be a chump, but that it reflects on the whole of Texas A&M as well. This story will circulate, the light cast on A&M will not be a good one.
And while he might hate burnt orange, at least the Texas band will have someplace to go come Christmas, plying their talents in front of thousands of football fans. He and his fellow Aggie fans will be sitting at home.
IsThisWhatItsCome said:
posted on November 28, 2005 1:24 PM — 216.88.246.15 — link — abuse?
Thank goodness for Aggies like TexAggiegal07. It is up to those of us with some sense left to make sure that our rivalry is kept honorable. The leadership at Texas A&M needs to make a strong statement about this. It's part of our heritage and we all stand to lose of it's cheapened...
Remember, we go to these institutions to become educated. I had a great time while I was there and still enjoy every football game! Show your spirit at the games and lets keep it fun.
Russell Buehrle said:
posted on November 28, 2005 1:44 PM — 64.92.217.211 — link — abuse?
Aggies have always prided themselves on treating others with respect. John Sullivan's actions do not represent Aggies as a whole. I believe that if you visit the campus or attend a game, you will find this to be true.
While I never joined the Corp, I know many of its current and former members. They are generally good people and make fine representatives of our university. Every organization has its bad apples and I'm sure that John Sullivan will suffer the consequences of his foolish actions.
The University of Texas Band members should be commended for their response to the situation. I'm sure they have received and will continue to receive apologies from various Aggies. The rivalry between our schools has always been a friendly one. Students at both schools have friends that attend their rival.
I invite you to read the following article for more information about this incident.
http://www.thebatt.com/media/paper657/news/2005/11/28/News/Showdown-1114107.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.thebatt.comOn behalf of myself and my fellow Aggies, I apologize for the ill treatment our guests received.
Thanks and Gig 'Em.
Russell Buehrle '02
TexasAg09 said:
posted on November 28, 2005 2:04 PM — 128.194.21.5 — link — abuse?
Yeah, you SHOULD see the Aggie message boards, go to Texags.com and you'll see that the poop thrower was getting absolutely ripped for what he did. Comments range from punching him in the mouth to kicking him out of the school. While some of those may be a little harsh, it shows that its not accepted, or even tolerated. There is no place for what he did, and the vast majority of students at Texas A&M are ashamed of his actions.
iantexas said:
posted on November 28, 2005 3:39 PM — 64.232.225.166 — link — abuse?
I call horsepoop on aLonghorn's statement. The Ags I know are decent people, worthy of respect. One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole school. Thanks to all the Ags for the apologies, and for acting with message board class.
Robert Ruedisueli said:
posted on November 28, 2005 4:14 PM — 68.188.241.36 — link — abuse?
I belive he was just trying to return Mack Brown's coaching talent to him, but missed and hit the band. If the band members who got feces thrown on them could turn it into the athletic department it would be much appreciated. Thanks.
WallyAg92 said:
posted on November 28, 2005 5:22 PM — 198.215.18.20 — link — abuse?
It galls me that we continue to lose to our rival. I am getting tired of having only moral victories, not actual victories in this game. When we went on our hot streak in the late 80s/early 90s, the worst treatment I can remember are the drunken verbal volleys of t-sips. Unfortunately, we have topped it with this Cav member. Why don't we focus on winning the freakin' game and stop insulting the 'sips, 'cause right now they own us. It's November, and we only have basketball, and the 'sips can laugh at us for that.
Impartial Observer said:
posted on November 28, 2005 6:00 PM — 70.129.177.162 — link — abuse?
I actually went to Texasags.com and they have a thread speculating that the manure thrower was actually "provoked" and took action so as to save lives as he "may" have thought the Longhorn band was trying to spook the Corps horses.
When Aggies actually defend such behavior or justify it because it was the "hated sips" it simply furthers the idiotic Aggie sterotype and damages their reputation.
I know A&M to produce excellent leaders - it's embarrasing for this to have happened and to have Aggies condoning it as if it is acceptable.
Aaron4USC said:
posted on November 28, 2005 7:19 PM — 68.15.92.85 — link — abuse?
You think that's getting sh*t on?
Wait until the Trojans dismantle the one-dimensional Longhorns in the BCS title game. They'll be glad they only got a shovel full from the Aggies after USC is done with them. We can't wait to play another overrated Big 12 team for the second straight year on our way to a 3-peat, plus a Heisman for Bush (sorry Matt, you already got yours). Fight On!Tommie Trojan said:
posted on November 28, 2005 11:57 PM — 208.57.130.196 — link — abuse?
Get em' Aaron! Right on! One mistake though! It's gonna be Texas laying one gigantic coiler when they start to figure out (during the 1st quarter) what is really going on! I doubt if their soiled uniforms will ever be fit to use again!
Tommie Trojan
Vic said:
posted on November 29, 2005 12:11 PM — 65.67.61.174 — link — abuse?
Your Corps of Cadets displayed a Total Loss of Discipline. As a professor with a strong military family history, I think your Cadets display shamed your university, and worse, the Great State of Texas. This incident points to a larger cultural problem within your Corps of Cadets - shame on you for disrespecting this State, acting dishonorably and losing all sense of discipline.
Am I to continue to trust you Cadets as “Future Leaders”? I think we are in serious trouble!
Vic, a proud Texan!
Chris said:
posted on November 29, 2005 4:28 PM — 64.243.207.201 — link — abuse?
As a former Aggie I am very disappointed to read this article. Disappointed at Mr. Sullivan's actions and disappointed at the members of the Longhorn band (you know who you are). Some people will never realize that when they put on a UT band uniform or a Corps of Cadets uniform they are representing something bigger than themselves. Sad day for both our schools and for the state of Texas.
Todd said:
posted on November 29, 2005 4:44 PM — 216.60.162.2 — link — abuse?
Get over it People. Sure, it was a little over the top and not politically correct (oh no!) but we weren't there. I'm hard pressed to believe it was unprovoked, or pre-meditated, for that matter. This is not indicative of any "sad state of affairs" nor of Mr. Sullivan's abilities. This was simply a twenty-year old asserting himself. Assuming he lives through the storm, at least he'll have a story to tell. Good luck against USC Sips.
Old Army Non-Reg 91BMAC said:
posted on November 29, 2005 10:56 PM — 69.151.193.214 — link — abuse?
Oh get over it. It is just like sips to go crying to mom over a little crap. Heck most of them probaly have never ever seen a pig parlor much less smelled one. Who is really out in left field here? And to think they have a bull for a mascott. I think they need a poodle. Travis County was the only county in the state to vote against the constitutional ammendment that a marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. Now who is out of touch with the rest of the state. That makes me want to throw horse puckey all over Travis County.
LHBguy said:
posted on November 30, 2005 12:13 AM — 67.9.143.61 — link — abuse?
Here is en excerpt from an ESPN article giving out the biggest dope of the year award for the Big 12:
(Dishonorable mention No. 1 to the Colorado student section, which was bum-rushed en masse for throwing garbage all over the field during that horrid loss to Nebraska.
Dishonorable mention No. 2 to a John Richmond Sullivan, a member of something called the Parsons Mounted Cavalry Unit at Texas A&M. According to The Bryan-College Station Eagle, Mr. Sullivan decided it was a good idea to shovel horse manure onto members of the Texas marching band before the game Friday. The newspaper story goes on to say the Parsons unit "was formed in 1973 to revive the legacy of A&M's horse-drawn artillery program. It remains the only collegiate military cavalry unit in the nation." The Dash is comforted to know that we have such a cavalry outfit in place, should we suddenly find ourselves fighting Santa Ana again at the Alamo. What the hell?)
TexEx said:
posted on November 30, 2005 12:58 PM — 17.232.51.175 — link — abuse?
Wow, BMAC. Your comment is so juvenille and bigoted that I feel sorry for all of humanity that people like you exist. I am proud that Travis county was the only place in Texas with enough guts to not be scared away by love and diversity. Hate and bigotry is never the right answer and cowards and finger-pointers like you will cause nothing but division and pain in the world. Learn to see the goodness in the world for a change.
BMAC said:
posted on November 30, 2005 3:40 PM — 69.151.193.214 — link — abuse?
Well TexEx, you are the only one calling names around here. Looks like you are excluded from your own rhetoric. I will pray for you and hope your sole is saved. A spade is a spade and I guess that hurts. The world is in enough trouble because no body has the guts to stand up for what is right. Get a back bone dude. Oh, I guess if you sip tea with your little finger in the air, you will never have a backbone.
ashamedAg said:
posted on November 30, 2005 9:15 PM — 24.227.213.34 — link — abuse?
This is unreal. My fellow aggies are not only justifying, but actually approving the act of throwing feces on other human beings. Not just Sullivan, but every aggie that is justifying or downplaying his action is a disgrace to my school and the state of Texas. How would you like it if UT members threw feces on some aggies? Would you say it is no big deal then? You people are a disappointment to mankind in general. There is nothing that could have been said at the game by UT band members that would warrant such an act that is so low of human decency that is usually only seen by viewing the monkey pit at the zoo.
Some say that it is just one bad apple and that he doesn't represent the rest of A&M. Well the show of hands that approve of his action or justify it in any way just shows what a lack of class we show the rest of the world that we have. Even if the UT band members were behaving inappropriately (yeah i'm sure that aggies have never done anything similar), does anyone out there really think that the only or best option for response is to pick up a pile of horse feces and start flinging it at them like we're auditioning for National Geographic???
Not only should a public example be made of Sullivan, but I sincerely hope that there is enough self-respect among my fellow aggies that we show everybody just how much this sort of thing should be abhored, and that there are enough of us with decency to prove that he really was just ONE bad apple.
On behalf of fellow aggies and Texans everywhere, my sincere apologies.
Big12_Fan said:
posted on December 1, 2005 2:39 PM — 66.169.178.186 — link — abuse?
This happens every year in that cult of Aggieland. Remember that pig of a women that ate the list for the cotton bowl tickets, she was as greedy as a pig. These people act like the animals that came from their own farms. Once they realize that their actions speak louder that any cult chant, they will always be known as the school that eats anything in sight and plays with horse s hit.
Here is the website to the listeater’s video,
disappointed/disgraced said:
posted on December 2, 2005 12:12 AM — 128.194.56.211 — link — abuse?
i just found out about this fiasco today, and it's been a major disappointment to me, and it's so embarrassing to say i go to a school where anyone would commit such a disrescpectful and irresponsible act, and muchless promote it. i don't care if the UT band was provoking, i think we should rise above it, and prove we're classy. but i guess lately that's been a value lost to this university. Aggies, you don't look good to your fellow friends at other universities, you look ignorant and immature. like someone said, if it had happened to us, i don't think we'd just be shrugging it off. It kind of just made me lose the pride i felt after the game on friday. we deserved to loose with sportsmanship like that. no wonder people think a&m is weird and cultish.
my apologies to ut and their band. the incident doesn't reflect the views of everyone, and you should have pressed charges.TexPride said:
posted on December 2, 2005 5:36 PM — 69.151.210.59 — link — abuse?
I sure wish my fellow alum and school mates had more class then to just go on and on about this situation. We are kind of acting like Rush Limbaugh, he has so many good ideas that his radicalism defeats his purpose. I am sure that the Aggies feel bad about what happened, but you cant blame the whole school for the actions of 1 student. Texas A&M is one of the great institutions in Texas just like ours, and it is so childish to say anything otherwise.
UT band member said:
posted on December 5, 2005 10:18 PM — 67.67.216.254 — link — abuse?
First of all, I was there, and to quote a line from another forum "God forbid a BAND have INSTRUMENTS at a FOOTBALL GAME!!!" Second, for the record we weren't playing our instruments. Third, we weren't leaning over the railings. However, A&M failed to give us enough seats, so we all didn't fit in the stands and were still in the process of trying to get up into the stands....so there were some band members standing on the ground with the directors. Fourth, the crap hit more than one band member. Last, what he did was unexcusable there's no question. We couldn't believe he did that. I think for the most part everyone agrees what he did was wrong. LHB didn't press charges, but left it up to A&M to issue the punishment, so everyone else should too.
Boyd Durkin said:
posted on December 6, 2005 9:22 AM — 192.233.92.200 — link — abuse?
Good career move by the Aggie. Now he'll be kicked out of college and end up working at Wal-Mart as a greeter. Coincidently, his co-workers will also be Aggies.
Why did the Aggie have horse poop at the game? Because he brought his girlfriend.
BobbyBullCrap said:
posted on January 5, 2006 10:58 PM — 165.91.68.65 — link — abuse?
You guys are so full of crap. LIke this is a big deal? It isn't. Its some poop. I've stepped in it, I've smelled my own and other's and, finally, I'm about to go leave some in the toilet and only flush it if it floats. No, it was not justified that Richmond Sullivan threw some shit. As an Ag, I don't like the University to gain negative exposure, but the again, I've been partying it up on Northgate and have had some assholes from Texas in town that really deserved an ass-kicking. Poop-throwing is a happy medium. Its not a brutal asskicking, but I agree it should not have been done at the game. The poop should have been saved, stored in a logistical spot with easy access, and when some TU faggity is hitting on someone's wife or staggering around spilling beer on a group of people, someone calls in Richmond Sullivan and he brings his little shovel and pops the bastard with poop. Fair is fair. And usually band fags are the worst, because they pretend they are important but they really aren't, so I'm sure there were many terrible comments said and the Parsons Mounted came trotting along. But it was classless. I'll say that much. And that most of you posting are a bunch of whiney fags. That is obvious.
PMCAg07 said:
posted on April 12, 2006 6:46 AM — 128.194.58.76 — link — abuse?
I am a current member of Parsons Mounted Cavalry and as such i can comment on a few matters without people bitching. Yes the UT band did try to "spook" our horses as we were marching in, yet we did not act disrespectfully, as we marched in, Sullivan threw the feces without our knowledge, as a matter of fact, the majority of the troop did not until told by our advisor after we had finished our pass in review. Sullivan actions in no way presented what we as Cadets are taught and was a poor choice in action. He was punished for his actions and summarily has apologized to the UT Band Director in person. Yes, we did laugh about it after it happened cause thats about all you can do after that kinda situation. it just cathes you off guard.
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AgRyan04 said:
posted on November 27, 2005 2:09 PM — 24.160.80.2 — link — abuse?He was just trying to help hide that hideous orange they have to wear ;)