January 22, 2006
Pac10 says Leinart broke rules
The Matt Leinart era may be over for the USC football team and coaches, but the Leinart legacy apparently isn't.
The Pac10 has determined that USC broke NCAA rules this year by allowing Leinart to work out with the owner of the Air 7 football academy.
According to a memo issued by the Pac-10 and received by USC, "an outside consultant can not work with a (student-athlete) on the institution's facilities unless the individual is counted against the applicable coaching limits."As a result of the incident, Leinart, USC coach Pete Carroll and staff members were required to undergo a rules review session.
Leinart signed with CAA as his agents, who then signed to represent the Air 7 football academy as well.
So the USC coaches will watch a rules video or something, no big deal as far as punishments go. It does make you wonder where the oversight was on letting Leinart work out with his own private coaches, though. That's a known no-no and it doesn't appear that USC ever tried to put a stop to it.
Comments:
John Eckert said:
posted on January 23, 2006 1:05 PM — 70.149.230.243 — link — abuse?
That's right and everybody turned their heads when USC did something. Like the Notre Dame game when the referee spotted the ball on the 1 ft line instead of the 2 yard line where it went out of bounds and not calling a penalty on Bush when he was pushing Leinhart into the end zone. But poetic justice prevailed in the Rose Bowl.
Syed Ashrafulla said:
posted on January 23, 2006 1:40 PM — 146.6.201.215 — link — abuse?
Usually, I'd see a problem with it ... but I'm against the "applicable coaching limits" stated in the NCAA rules anyway. There are natural limits to the number of coaches you can have anyway, based on the AD and the head coach. So, to me, Leinart is doing something that someone like Kyle Wright should be doing: learning how to be a better QB.
Tim said:
posted on January 23, 2006 6:46 PM — 68.127.90.242 — link — abuse?
I bet he has known them since High School. In high school, kids now pay private coaches and trainers to prepare them to be great high school players and get scholorships. It appears Air 7 and its affiliation with a high school allstar game, there is a previous relationship. I do not know the facts, but I do not know how the NCAA can tell someone they can not work out with someone the knew prior to college.
brett ledbetter said:
posted on January 23, 2006 8:16 PM — 63.151.182.19 — link — abuse?
Matt Leinart has been the best college quarterback the nation has seen for three years now. So what if he signed with agents AFTER his college career was over. He has that right. People should stop complaing and just appreciate what he has given college football.
cfbguru said:
posted on January 24, 2006 3:18 PM — 67.64.233.118 — link — abuse?
Saying Matt Leinart has been the best college quarterback is like saying Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL. It all depends on how you define "best." Has he won a ton of games? Yes. Does he have the best arm, best decision making or most speed? Probably not. Put him on the field with SMU's supporting cast, and he is probably not much better than Jared Romo. All things being equal, there are quite a few college quarterbacks I would rather have on my team. And no, Vince Young isn't one of them.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on January 24, 2006 5:03 PM — 208.57.130.196 — link — abuse?
Yeh, he's gonna be a big bust in the NFL - just like Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning before him. The reason is because NFL scouts know nothing at all about player prospects. That's why he'll be the 1st QB off the board and fall into totally mediocrity. Didn't he pass for 365 yards against the vaunted Texas defense. Made it look effortless also. Yeh, this guys sucks.
Gerald said:
posted on January 24, 2006 11:13 PM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
cfbguru:
I am no Matt Leinart fan, but the truth is that he was the best QB of his era and no one else was close. No other QB during the time that he played so much as won more than a single conference title, and no other QB consistently put up big numbers for a significant team. The early - mid 90s with Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, Danny Wuerrfel, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Steve McNair, and Cade McNown it was not.
cfbguru said:
posted on January 25, 2006 12:38 PM — 67.64.233.118 — link — abuse?
Did I ever say Leinart sucks? No. I think he was a very good QB. But he was also the recepient of a GREAT circumstance. It is not like he was the only one who could have flourished under center for USC. And who brought Palmer and Manning into the discussion? They aren't busts, but consider Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Tim Couch, etc. I never said he was going to be a bust, just that he wouldn't be my TOP choice.
Gerald said:
posted on January 25, 2006 6:17 PM — 65.12.162.103 — link — abuse?
Tommie Trojan:
I preface this by saying that I believe that Matt Leinart will ultimately succeed in the NFL. But otherwise, come on. Leinart threw for 365 yards against Texas because he had more talent around him than most NFL teams. Leinart also lacks the arm strength and athletic ability of Palmer and Manning, neither of whom had the coaching or surrounding talent that Palmer did, and both of whom played stronger teams especially on defense (particularly Manning). Leinart will succeed in the NFL, but it will take him a couple of years to learn how to make plays on his own (using his average ability by NFL standards to do it) rather than to just dump the ball off to Reggie Bush. When NFL scouts see that Leinart is no more ready to play than Vince Young, it may cause Young to leapfrog him. What Leinart DOES have in favor is that Sean Payton, the Saints' new coach, favors the dropback style, and furthermore Vince Young is foolishly heavily lobbying for the Texans to draft him, which will cause other teams to think that he views them as a consolation prize. It is far better to have the "I be extremely happy with whoever gives me an opportunity". No one is going to pony up a top 5 draft pick and $45 million in guaranteed money if they feel like a fallback option. As a matter of fact, if Houston, New Orleans, and Tennessee pass on Young (which may happen, as Houston will likely give Carr another shot, New Orleans will either give Brooks another shot or take Leinart, and Tennessee may trade down and take local hero Jay Cutler, who has a lot of ability and is far more polished), then Young may drop out of the top 10, unless Miami trades up to get him.
Notre Dame Fan 444 said:
posted on January 26, 2006 11:11 AM — 199.208.239.140 — link — abuse?
Leinhart, bush and White, will all have outstanding NFL careers, as long as they stay healthy and have some offensive lineman help. As for the "rule breaking" there are bigger fish out there then a guy practicing with the Air 7 football club. Leinhart hasn't needed any additional skill help since high school.
Steve said:
posted on January 27, 2006 7:43 AM — 204.208.180.5 — link — abuse?
Gerald are you a friggin idiot. Tommie Frazier won 2 national titles and at least 3 if not 4 Big 8 or 12 titles. Danny Wuerffel won at least 3 SEC titles and one National Title and another championship appearance to boot. He had way better numbers. Reggie Bush made that offense go the last 2 years and Mike Williams before him. Vince Young pretty much made me forget about anything Leinhart ever did. Plus the Pac-10 doesn't even play a championship game. they are an overall weak conference that looks more like they are playing flag football than contact at times. We are saying goodbye to USC for awhile now just like all the past great teams but they will be back in time.
Hook 'Em '05 said:
posted on January 27, 2006 10:13 PM — 67.14.214.14 — link — abuse?
Tommy Trojan, your the first person to ever call it the "Vaunted Texas Defense". Man, your a cry baby...USC has been called vaunted in everything from the quarterback to the guy that sells the pretzels at the games. Carson Palmer is the real deal, but Peyton ain't s@#t when he has "Protection" problems. Matt Leinart moves around like Joe Montana did when he was 40. He'd better hope like hell he gets drafted late so he'll have an offensive line to keep him in the NFL more than a year. He has tons of talent when he's standing still with no pressure, but when they come after him he's just another Joey Harrington or Alex Smith. A lot of people may think I'm an idiot for thinking that, I really don't care, but I'm saying it now...Matt Leinart's had his day in the sun and the only championship he'll see in person again will be from the sidelines calling in plays and that's being generous..I think bowling with Ryan Leaf talking about how great they used to be sounds more like it.
Canestrdamus said:
posted on February 1, 2006 6:37 PM — 72.153.118.133 — link — abuse?
Don't forget Lionheart's got a brain, he did engineer the last drive to beat ND, he called the plays, was 15of16 in the second half of the title game, the kid's smart. If Kenny Dorsey can keep a job in the NFL w/ his touch passes, Lionheart can play for a long time in the NFL.
That being said, tez is right. If a UM player farts downwind from someone is on sportscenter. USC players are encouraged to fart in front of reporters, their just "goofing around" Kinda like the SC coach, how many times could they show that stupid Halloween prank? ESPN sucks UF, FSU, USC, d**k.
Tommie Trojan said:
posted on February 1, 2006 10:49 PM — 208.57.130.196 — link — abuse?
Hook em':
You're right! Without protection Leinart will get killed like most QB's. Yes, it will take a few years (if he lives that long), to even figure out how to stay alive in the NFL (whole different ballgame). The NFL kills QB's. If I wanted to start someone right away - I'd take Young. Heck, I'd take Young anyway because he can move around easily and not get murdered. If he completes a pass - that's just gravy on the plate. Leinart is a great accurate passer with a better arm than you people think. He is not "average NFL material". He won't be picked in the top three because he is average for a QB. But, he lacks the kind of mobility that he may need in the NFL. And, he certainly won't have the kind of OL he had at USC. So, there is no way he shines anytime soon. He will probably look alot like Joey Harrington and Alex Smith for awhile if the throw him to the wolves immediately.
Tommie Trojan
Fight On! said:
posted on April 16, 2006 6:57 PM — 67.183.161.182 — link — abuse?
To all those "nay sayers" who suggest that Leinart may flop in the NFL, I say scoreboard. You can talk Wuerfel, Leaf and Couch until you're blue in the face. Leinart is "Lionheart" just as Canestradums appropriately tagged. This guy is cooler than an Arctic summer, especially under pressure. Pro teams/scouts understand the importance of psychological fortitude. Leinart's got it. I've followed him since day one and this guy's got the mental toughness of all the great quarterbacks. Forget the fact that his mobility is limited. He's still an athlete and athletes find a way to win. Montana, Brady, Favre all have their own set of weaknesses. Man - Vince Young throws like Uncle Ricoh in Napoleon Dynamite. Talk about a guy that won't make it as a quarterback in the NFL. Hey "Hook 'em" - let's have this same conversation in two years and see if Vince Young is even playing quarterback. I seem to remember a better athlete in Michael Vick (much better arm as well) with a horrible quarterback rating in 2005.- scoreboard!
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CortezKennedy said:
posted on January 22, 2006 1:02 PM — 68.0.104.195 — link — abuse?not a surprised one bit,if that was Kyle Wright or any Miami QB they would want to do away with the program,but sc gets to watch a quick video on what rules they broke and how to do it with out getting caught.lmao