November 2, 2005
Beamer: Still "Mack Brown-ing"
Everybody gave Mack Brown hell last year when he ((gasp)) campaigned (the horror!) to have the Longhorns in the BCS. If you're keeping score at home, Virginia Tech football coach Frank Beamer, who was only going to talk about the BCS "one time", hasn't gone a week since the first standings came out without lobbying for his Hokies.
This week's entry sounds a lot like last week's speech:
"I think if somehow we can win our football games against the competition we've got, I think the computers would put us up there. I think some voters would put us up there. I think the right thing would happen."
Truth be told, it's still any body's race - there are no guarantees just yet. And I've got no problem with coaches singing their teams' praises (although I do fear the next step of boosters funding targeted ads in newspapers that rank their teams low).
That said, can we start to get excited about the BCS adopting the "plus one" format for next season?
Comments:
Don VanDemark said:
posted on November 2, 2005 1:12 PM — 204.128.192.5 — link — abuse?
And if we only end up with two undefeated teams (let's say USC and Texas, for argument's sake), what does a plus one accomplish? And that's just one example. Numerous scenarios could play out where no one system would make everybody (or even a lot of people) happy.
Galloping_ghost said:
posted on November 2, 2005 1:38 PM — 70.36.52.111 — link — abuse?
Are you kidding? How can you compare this to Mack Brown whining like a little baby last year because he played that horrible Big 12 schedule. If Tech wins out and is left out of the BCS Championship they would have played in the final month, BCS number 6 Miami, UNC, and UVA, and a FSU team that has a chance to be in the top 10 of the BCS before the ACC- championship game, not to mention having possibly beat the Big East Champion in WV. Compare this to: Texas, granted they went into the Horseshoe and beat a very average (offense wise) OSU team, but they still beat them, yet the other wins they will have, possibly two wins over Colorado, (which doesn't help them), Baylor, Texas A&M who cannot get out of its own way, and lowly Kansas. If that schedule puts them in the championship because they ran through the Little 12, I will be a monkeys uncle.
BalRog said:
posted on November 2, 2005 2:22 PM — 207.250.29.129 — link — abuse?
- Use the current ranking system. It is good enough to get us in shooting distance of a real "Top 2".
- Take the top 8 teams (Maybe in some years #5 has a legitimate gripe, but I just can't imagine a scenario where #9 can seriously complain that they earned their shot).
- Take the top 7 bowl games (by gross receipts, net receipts, pay out, average final rank of winner, whatever, I don't care.)
- Play 1st four games on Christmas Day (or nearest weekend before).
- Play next two games on New Years Day.
- Play championship game the 2nd Saturday in January.
Somehow this just does not seem like rocket science to me.
Regan said:
posted on November 2, 2005 3:52 PM — 152.163.100.139 — link — abuse?
The 'Plus-One' is the best idea. It is the most feasible (ie: likely to happen) and won't take away what we love about College Football.
A Playoff would turn College Football into 'NFL Lite' and we all know it.
It is true that a Plus-One system wouldn't be needed every year (past examples: 1999, 2002), but a system can be put in place and still be far more efficient than a Playoff and less complex as the BCS:
Each year following the Conference Championship Games, the NC race can be set up based on a pre-determined formula:
2x 0-Loss OR 1x O-Loss & 1x 1-Loss: #1 plays #2
1x 0-Loss & 2x 1-Loss: #2 plays #3; Winner plays #1
1x 0-Loss & 3x 1-Loss: Four Team Playoff
1x 0-Loss & 4x 1-Loss: #2 vs. #5; #3 vs. #4; #1 vs. #3/4; #1/3/4 vs. #2/5etc.....
However the system is structured, it:
A) Provides excitement all season, because no one knows what will happen at the end of the season. Thus, if a Playoff of 4x Teams works best that particular year, the regular season games will still be intense sense no one knows how it will unfold.B) Ensures that a two-loss team will NEVER WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
C) Keeps most of the current BCS elements and Bowl System into the mix (thus making it more appealing to the powers that be).
D) The system is set up so that there are only three rounds (Unless there are somehow 8x Undefeated teams - that will require 4 rounds). This cuts down on the effect of potential injuries, etc. as well as limits it to keep from becoming "Plus-Four, Five, or Six".
E) Makes those who care nothing other than finding out who is #1 without screwing up the beauty of the Regular Season.
I'll post the whole system if anyone's interested.
Geez...and no one even pays me...
portis said:
posted on November 3, 2005 12:10 PM — 24.140.92.2 — link — abuse?
I absolutely love the comments coming from Tech fans scrambling to get into the Championship game. Some have even mentioned the win against good ol' WVU as a quality win that may help them advance to the championship game. Funny how more than a month ago we were just hicks with no teeth and no football team, but now we are in the BCS standings and they need our help to get into the game. Now they are considering the possible Big East Champs as another big win.
LOSE VT, Lose big to Miami at home in the great Lane Stadium and send all your fans home with the taste of a big L in their mouth.
VTBobb said:
posted on November 3, 2005 1:05 PM — 208.229.147.26 — link — abuse?
portis, anytime Tech and WVU plays (or played), it was a good win for whomever, considering the rivalry status of the game.
Of course, over the past 10 years or so, WVU has apparently developed a taste for the big L when going up against VT.
GO HOKIES!
Big Hokie Fan said:
posted on November 3, 2005 1:50 PM — 208.253.77.234 — link — abuse?
Hey Portis..."Cry me a river." West Virginia!!! Really big deal there, the BIG EAST. Dude that must be the best conference in the nation now without Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College. Did you ever think that the only reason your team even sits in a spot in the BCS is because they played Virginia Tech. Yeah, it looks like WVU will win out and go to a BCS game? What for? So they can lose big against a much better team. Face it if Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College were still in the Big East. West Virginia would not even be close to taking the Big East title. Nor would they be ranked. And if WVU was in the ACC the would be right above Duke in the this conference.
Oh, by the way. Thanks for the win!
As for our QB’s gesture to your fans, right on!!! Do it again. I only wish our teams continued to play one another just so we could continue to rub our wins in your WVU inbred faces. I’ll give you the real reason why the state of West Virginia was separated from the Great Common Wealth of Virginia…Virginia didn’t need to be polluted by an inferior gene pool. Why do I hear the sound track for Deliverance? Oh, the wind just shifted from the Northwest, it must be coming from Morgantown.
As for Frank’s comments, tasteful, very tasteful (unlike mine).
GO HOKIES!!!!
Lee Corso, “I don’t know what a Hokie is, but I know God is one of them!”
BalRog said:
posted on November 3, 2005 2:04 PM — 207.250.29.129 — link — abuse?
No teeth? Yeah. No football team? No way! At least you never heard me say that. I will never forget that WVU gave Miami all they could handle in 2003 in Florida, I knew then that WVU had what it took to kick VT's collective can up and down the field that year, and that is exactly what happened. This year again you gave us a good game, but not nearly good enough to win.
WVU Pride said:
posted on November 3, 2005 4:50 PM — 129.71.139.5 — link — abuse?
Hey Big Hokie Fan,
I am from the Southern portion of West Virginia. Although I live closer to VT, I am a Mountaineer fan. I am proud of our state and I am proud of MY team. Believe me buddy the people in WV and the people in South Western Virginia are very similar and part of the Coal fields of the Appalachian Mountains. I wish the Hokies the best of luck in the ACC. Actually I think it proves how good the Big East once was and how good they can be again. Believe it or not Hokie fan. VT is where it is because of 2 things. The Big East and Micheal Vick. The VT tradition consists of about 10 years of success. The statements that YOU made about WVU and the Big East is utterly ignorant and intolerable. Thanks for being as tasteless as the "vain" Marcus Vick. He along with you have tainted the state of Virginia and the wonderful campus of Virginia Tech.
WVU SAYs said:
posted on November 3, 2005 5:07 PM — 4.155.60.187 — link — abuse?
Sorry portis I:v agrree with you and stand by you as I know you are a Mountie for sure as I am but Im not gone to let to let one Little spoiled KId who very inmature and his apology was about as fake as he is take away from all the fine players and fans at VT .You know we have the upper edge in the series.Go VT gobble this WVU fan up some swamp meat.
portis said:
posted on November 4, 2005 7:45 AM — 24.140.92.2 — link — abuse?
Big Hokie Fan: "Face it if Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College were still in the Big East. West Virginia would not even be close to taking the Big East title. Nor would they be ranked."
The final 2 years with VT/Miami/BC in the Big East we shared the title. Hmmm.......Go Figure
isabelle said:
posted on November 4, 2005 10:01 AM — 4.155.60.69 — link — abuse?
Hey portis: after your last comment.I bet there looking at each other with a stupid look.They may even got a migrain.You take away 17 points we gave vt.What do you have?A turkey on a plate.The conference, is doing quite well with out them.We upgrated with a much better team.Louisvlle would spank them.I may have to chang my thinking on miami and vt.Neither one will make any more money, than a Wvu in the Sugar Bowl.Think they can figure that out ?
RosebowlTex said:
posted on November 5, 2005 11:31 PM — 70.112.97.46 — link — abuse?
You can quit crying now that your big bad league now has multiple losses to unranked teams...FL state, BC,..and now bragging VT whipped by Miami at home who lost to FL State, now with 2 losses...who have they played and beat and what about that qb rating...take your Beamerball to the "otherbowls"...you would struggle with Tex Tech just like bragging Cal did last year...Ouch
BalRog said:
posted on November 7, 2005 1:47 AM — 207.250.29.129 — link — abuse?
RE #10: How's that big L tastin.
About the same as yours. Everybody is saying that VT was overrated and got to 8-0 on the backs of a bunch of nobodies. BTW, portis, when they say "nobodies" that means WVU, too.
Yep, if Miami could do that to us, and we did that to you... Wow! You guys must really suck!
The truth? The Hokies' offense choked big time, but that doesn't change anything. Even without the meltdown we still would have lost. We could have made it more respectable, but still an "L". Props to the 'Canes; I'll be cheering for you in the title game.
HornsNRoses said:
posted on November 7, 2005 7:06 PM — 12.148.177.26 — link — abuse?
Hey Balrog,
Say what you want to about UT's last few opponents and the Big 12 in general this year. The way it looks for the top 4 ranked teams is that only Alabama and USC have real challenges yet to play. Bama will not remain standing in the top 4 after LSU $ Auburn because of their inept offense. BCS standings today ranks opponents in the top 4...
#1 USC's wins against current BCS ranked opponents
beat Oregon #10
beat Notre Dame #11 (they have #15 UCLA and #22 Fresno State to go)#2Texas has beat...
#8 Ohio State
#12 Texas Tech
#18 Colorado#3 Alabama's record...(#5 LSU & #20 Auburn to go)
beat Florida #13#4 Miami's record...(#23 Ga Tech remaining)
beat Colorado #18
beat VT #6Bottom line is that as bad as the BCS system is, it looks like it will all work out the way it should this year if the top 2 ranked teams remain unbeaten. But unfortunately, it doesn't often shake out like that.
Roger said:
posted on November 20, 2005 12:06 AM — 69.166.81.154 — link — abuse?
Plus one, it means that one of the top four beats two of the remaing three. Two wins within the top four IS definative. It will end all arguments of the top four. Number 5 will aurgue of course, but with a National Champion having two back-to-back wins against highly ranked opponents, who would listen?
Roger said:
posted on November 20, 2005 12:07 AM — 69.166.81.154 — link — abuse?
Plus one, it means that one of the top four beats two of the remaing three. Two wins within the top four IS definative. It will end all arguments of the top four. Number 5 will aurgue of course, but with a National Champion having two back-to-back wins against highly ranked opponents, who would listen?
boifromtroy said:
posted on November 2, 2005 12:35 PM — 66.134.232.250 — link — abuse?Can't get excited about the "Plus One" because it is not a true playoff.