December 4, 2007
WAC coaches pimping votes for bowl money?
The Blue-Gray Sky takes their annual look at how the coaches voted in the final USA Today Coaches poll and concludes that -- once again -- the nation's college football coaches have no shame.
Among the findings... homer bias.
- Coaches still rate their own team about 2 1/2 spots higher than everyone else, just like they did last year.
- Conference affiliation meant much more this season, as coaches rated teams from their own conference over two spots higher, up from only one spot higher last season.
So who are the biggest offenders? The coaches in WAC are big-time homers, slanting their conference's teams by five spots.
The WAC pushed hard to get Hawaii into the BCS, with WAC coaches bumping the Warrior's ranking by over five spots. Not stopping there, they also boosted Boise State's ranking by an average of 4.8 spots. Only Dick Tomey of San Jose State was closely in line with the majority of ballots; he boosted Hawaii and Boise State by more typical numbers (+2.9 and +1.3 respectively).
The WAC coaches consistently ranked Hawaii in their top five and put Boise State into their top 20.
In other words, the WAC coaches -- on average -- ranked UH ahead of #5 Virginia Tech, #6 Southern Cal, #7 Missouri, #8 Kansas, and #9 West Virginia.
Are you kidding me? If you take Jeff Sagarin's ratings for comparison -- and I do, because Sag is the only guy in the BCS getting paid to accurately model future matchups -- Hawaii finished the season with a predictor rating of 79.67, or 30th best in the nation.
So who would Sagarin's predictor favor over Hawaii? Here's a quick sampling:
- UCLA
- Utah
- Penn State
- Michigan
- Tennessee
- Illinois
And - as you might have guessed - every one of the actual top five teams that the WAC coaches ranked below Hawaii.
Surely the WAC coaches are smart enough to believe that Southern Cal would be favored over Hawaii, right? Well... let's just presume that they are smart enough.
I'm not naive enough to think that this is the first time that coaches have ever pimped their votes for bowl money, but it may be the most egregious.
For the past two years, the Big East has been the big culprit - tipping their teams by +2.3 positions in 2006 and by +1.5 positions in 2005.
For comparison, the WAC's numbers were +1.8 in 2006 and +0.3 in 2005.
If you project the current trends into next seasons poll, the WAC coaches will be inflating their conferences' teams by an AVERAGE of more than 8 poll positions.
So what's the motivation for bumping your conference teams five spots? A big sack of sweaty BCS money.
The Warriors will receive the largest share, with the eight other members collecting checks for several hundred thousand dollars, as they did last year when Boise State reached the Fiesta Bowl."Whatever the amount is, it will be reinvested," [San Jose State University] Athletic Director Tom Bowen said. "We'll use it for summer school, sports medicine, and strength and conditioning for all our sports programs. We're not just going to pour it all back into football."
Money - plain and simple. The WAC got a little taste last year and now they're hooked.
The WAC distributed a record $14,312,398 to its nine members last week, commissioner Karl Benson said. That amount included $9 million in BCS revenue...
"Those were fun checks to sign," Benson said.
They gotta have that smack. They NEEDS it.
And now they're pimping their poll votes to get it.
Comments:
posted on December 4, 2007 5:09 PM — link — abuse?Kevin Donahue
said:
For point of clarification... nearly every team in D-IA (FBS) and D-IIA (FCS) are guaranteed money from the BCS without placing any teams into the actual BCS games.
The real pimping comes from a WAC team making it into a BCS game like... oh shock!... Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. Then each WAC team makes several hundred thousand MORE.
FromUVM said:
posted on December 4, 2007 5:16 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Cane - the only reason to have polls and rankings is to boost TV rating, and make more money.
I would say that if the coaches could watch every game played each week then they would be a good judge of how teams should be ranked. Without actually watching the games you can't say who is better. Why the sports reporters ever had a vote is ridiculous, just because you watch some games doesn't make you an expert. Oh wait, maybe I am an expert, and everyone on this board is an expert. Why don't we start our own poll next year and crown the FANBLOGS national champ!
Take a peek at Bob Stoops ballot, it's pretty interesting.
Well, has anyone ever thought about having a playoff??? Hahahaha, I am not holding my breath.
FromUVM said:
posted on December 4, 2007 5:38 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Your vote could be based on your login name. Maybe you are required to have X amount of posts to vote or something.
It would be great if people could vote based on true impressions of teams, but of course the coaches don't all seem to follow this so who knows. Maybe they do, but either way it might be interesting to see how the fans feel, rather than going by the coaches who can't possibly watch as many games as we do.
Spartacus
posted on December 4, 2007 5:49 PM — 72.25.84.228 — link — abuse? said:
Kevin:
Interesting that someone would discover the Sagarin Predictor. It is so accurate that it comes out to about 50% against all betting lines (that means it's good). Any higher or lower and it's not very good. Also, if you were to add every point up against the betting line for a whole season - you would probably find out that "the Predictor" comes within 0.10 (or 1/10th) of a point for all games. As with all computer programs, it can have teams rated somewhat too high or too low, thus skewing some results. But, nevertheless, it serves as an excellent base point for any computer program to figure out a base points scale. I use this model as my "base" and compiling data over the past three years in order to figure point standings for every position in a ranking system. Then, I use the other five rating services, to balance out team standings. Therefore, nobody should be too high or too low, although they always are. The best rule of thumb: if the game looks too good, it's because it is, so take the other team. I maintain that the officials do "fix" 8-9 games per week or 16-17% of all games. Otherwise, these programs could make you millions. That being said:
Hawaii really is about the 30th best team in the country - if even that - more like 40th. When I shoot my mouth off about rankings - I do understand a little. A computer cannot do justice to the absolute weakness of a schedule or running up the score. Kansas looks real good to any computer, but the fact is, is that they rolled up the score on some pretty weak teams. They did struggle against some of the good teams that they played with no signature wins against anybody. Even though these computers can get you some real good numbers, you still have to use your head, to determine who is really gonna win a game. Hawaii is awfully tough, as they throw the ball so often, and if Brennan has a great game then they can surprise you. On balance though - Hawaii would get squashed by any really good BCS team. Bottom line is: they do not belong in the BCS Bowl games.
So, is it very surprising really, that conferences would begin to figure out how to work these systems to their advantage? Not really.Tommie Trojan
gOSU27 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 6:16 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
That would be cool if we got our own poll.
I agree to keep the BCS...is it perfect??...no, not even close. But its exiting. I mean honestly, would anyone have watched WV vs. Pitt if there was a playoff????ummm nope!! All that would've happened was WV losing their home field advantage.
FromUVM said:
posted on December 4, 2007 6:32 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
gOSU27 - I went to University of Vermont, are you talking about the basketball game we played against them lat Friday night? We lost as expected. Now that coach Brennan is gone I don't see us in the NCAA tournament for a long time, if ever again. At least we did beat Syracuse in the tournament the year after they won the NC.
FromUVM said:
posted on December 4, 2007 6:34 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
#14 gOSU27 - I have a question. So you would rather watch the Pitt vs WVU because it mattered more than you would like to see the top 8 teams have a playoff? Not me, besides according to the BCS West Virginia would be out of the top 8 and out of the playoff in this situation. Hmmm, so that game still would have just as much meaning, but you would get all these matchups as well. I owuld love to see all of these games.
1. Ohio St vs 8. Kansas 2. LSU vs 7. USC 3. Virginia Tech vs 6. Missouri 4. Oklahoma vs 5. Georgia
posted on December 4, 2007 7:04 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Sorry, boys. Been there, done that, printed the T-shirts, but no body bought any. We proposed the fanblogs.com national championship back in the spring, but were met with a wall of apathy.
But if you'd like to carry the banner on, I'm all for it!
posted on December 4, 2007 7:14 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
Sorry, boys. Been there, done that, printed the T-shirts, but no body bought any. We proposed the fanblogs.com national championship back in the spring, but were met with a wall of apathy.
But if you'd like to carry the banner on, I'm all for it!
Zac said:
posted on December 4, 2007 7:53 PM — 64.12.116.136 — link — abuse?
The play-off ney-sayers argue that the games wouldn't have as much meaning, such as with the Pitt/WVU game sited by gOSU27. I disagree. Instead of 1 or 2 games determining who will play for the NC, we'd have 8 or as many as 10 games determining who makes the play-offs, depending upon the play-off format (Elite 8 or Top-10). So, by all means, junk the BCS & the Coaches poll. Let all of us show em how it's done. I vote WVU #1...
Just jokin.S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on December 4, 2007 8:12 PM — 68.225.36.157 — link — abuse?
From UVM,
Let me explain...
1st bracket would be:
#1 TOSU v. #8 Kansas
#3 VaTech v. #6 MissouriTOSU beats Kansas
Missouri beats VTTOSU beats Missouri
2nd Bracket would be:#2 LSU v. #7 USC
#4 Oklahoma v. #5 Georgia
USC beats LSU...badly
Oklahoma beats Georgia...barelyUSC beats Oklahoma.
* TOSU plays like they did in 2002 and beats USC in triple OT...I'm an OSU fan so I have to say that.
2nd week of September 2008. TOSU brings everyone back minus 2 and destroys the Trojans at home.
Just my 2 cents..
R/ S&G
FromUVM said:
posted on December 4, 2007 8:21 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
S&G.bulletrain - I understand completely what you were talking about. My pick is basically saying that the winner of USC vs LSU wins the second round game.
OSU over Kansas
USC vs LSU tossup
Missouri over VATech
Oklahoma over GeorgiaOklahoma over OSU
USC/LSU winner over MissouriWould love to see either USC or LSU play Oklahoma
S&G.bulletrain said:
posted on December 4, 2007 8:29 PM — 68.225.36.157 — link — abuse?
FromUVM,
Check...However in an 8 team bracket it has always been #1's and #3's v. #2's and #4's.
Every tournament I've been involved with has been that way.
Could TOSU beat OK ... I don't know I haven't watched them that much this year except the Missouri game.
Bottom-line is that the #1 seed always has the best chance to make it to the end game. With your seeding that's the way I see it.
R/ S&G
gOSU27 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 9:17 PM — 207.74.25.36 — link — abuse?
i cant wait until we get a chance to prove ourselves against an SEC team this january!!!
and then USC for the next two years!!
Its gonna be great.We could see a one vs. two match up next year with tOSU/USC. I know this is thinking pretty far ahead, but, then a rematch in the national championship only to play again the next season!!
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 4, 2007 10:21 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
Well, let see what we got here, Kev. BOISE STATE was 5 years late on their BCS invite. When they got it, TNT IM DYNAMITE! TNT...In your face CORSO! Whatever BSU,HAWAII,FRESNO ST. is ranked you hafta add at least 10. You gotta be kiddin me Illini the ROSE put in a 10-2 BOISE ST. If they get killed 41-14 like Ohio St., Notre Dead, Oregon, Texas AM, Michigan, Ucla and N. ILLinois just treat them as you did OSU this year. At the very least BOISE should be in the Holiday Bowl. TEXAS would be a team that might give them a fight. HAWAII would wipe the field with the BUCKEYES. They would never kick a FG. LSU GA FLA are a different animal. Maybe a FG would win. THE COACHES POLL IS A COMPLETE JOKE!
FromUVM said:
posted on December 4, 2007 11:03 PM — 76.30.254.215 — link — abuse?
Kevin - the problem with an ip registered poll is that if you (the user) use DSL or dial up to vote you will most likely have a different ip when you re-connect to the internet. Even my cable modem changes ip address every so often. Just a thought. You could still use each user login that we currently have (if you have that information) to post your ballot each week.
S&G.bulletrain - I have seen that bracket before, but it's been a while. When I play in tournaments of any kind it has always been as follows...
Round One
1 vs 8 (game 1)
4 vs 5 (game 2)
2 vs 7 (game 3)
3 vs 6 (game 4)Round Two
game 1 winner vs game 2 winner (game 5)
game 3 winner vs game 4 winner (game 6)Round Three
game 5 winner vs game 6 winner (game 7)This way #1 seed has the best chance to advance because they play #8, then either #4 or #5. This way the highest seed they play before the finals is #4. Guess it depends who sets it up, but to me this bracket makes more sense. If you were #1 wouldn't you rather play #4 instead of #3?
Tomcat said:
posted on December 4, 2007 11:45 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Hey thats your job as coach to try and help your team, whether its in the polls, the press or the locker room, you do what you can for your team.
Kinda sad for the Wac and Mt West, because even if you go undefeated you have no title shot.
Some of these teams should probably look at trying to enter the Pac-10,Big 10 or Big East kinda like Louis and Cinn did when they left C-USA at least now they could possibly reach the ultimate goal in the current system.
Going undefeated just aint good enough.
BCS = Bull Chip system-- The wet ones dont flyRamblin' Gator said:
posted on December 5, 2007 12:46 AM — 209.183.34.49 — link — abuse?
Kevin, I have to agree with UVM on the IP question. I travel A LOT (including right now) and wouldn't want my votes to count only when I'm at home in Florida.
Wait a minute - we don't know how to count votes in Florida! :)
posted on December 5, 2007 7:58 AM — link — abuse? said:
@WEA - Maybe we'll get trophy going, too... It was a good idea, especially if I can tour it from game-to-game during the season. ;)
@Ramblin - Good point. I'll talk with Pete and see if he can integrate the login system from our API. If not, maybe we'll migrate to something that can handle that (and the traffic).
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 9:49 AM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
OSU #1 is a fraud. LSU #2 is a Crime. VTECH, GA, and USC lost home games so SHUT UP! Dont let the BCS fool you of who is #1. It is simple. APP. State, Stanford, N. Iowa, North Dakota ST., Michigan, Cal, Oregon, Kentucky, S. Carolina, and Notre Dead showed this year big schools are ranked high because their big. Small schools are playing with Heart and a chip on their shoulder as big as USC ego and their kickin butt. 1AA have been dominating the little 11 for years now. I would bet my house in BCS game APP. ST. would give OSU major problems and would beat them. N. Iowa would beat Michigan and Wisconsin. ND State would beat Illinois. Why would you rank OSU In the top 10 after all that? OSU would sell more tickets and hotels but that does not give you the best team. For the past 2 months I have said whoever beats HAWAII is your NATIONAL CHAMPION and if GEOGIA comes up short BLAM! Colt Brennan back to back HEISMAN Trophies! WAC BACK TO BACK NATIONAL CHAMPS! GO UNDEFEATED OR GO HOME!
OU-Ron
posted on December 5, 2007 10:17 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
coondawg, do you honestly think that if Hawaii was in the PAC 10, BIGXII or SEC that they would be undefeated. I don't think Hawaii has a chance of beating GA, if they do then I would rank them in the top 10, but don't bet your house on it, it get's cold this time of year...
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 11:27 AM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
OU-RON, If your gonna wait til HAWAII is 13-0 and then rank them 8 or 5(like BOISE ST. last year) then why rank them at all. UTAH, BOISE, HAWAII start at the bottom at work their way up. While USC, OSU, LSU lose to unranked teams at drop 1 to 7 or 2 to 8. GA is the second hottest team in the country Behind HAWAII. The Patriots couldnt go undefeated in the SEC. I will make a deal with you. When USC, CAL, ASU, OREGON, TEXAS, MISSOURI, FLORIDA, LSU, TENNESSEE come to BOISE and humiliate them I will shut up! I think BOISE STATE is like 62-2 at home, that is STOOPID! But they havent played anybody good. I wonder WHY. Im in SEC country but sometimes you gotta go to the northwest to find the best.
OU-Ron
posted on December 5, 2007 11:45 AM — 216.201.209.146 — link — abuse? said:
coondawg, I get your point to an extent, but UTAH, BOISE, HAWAII starts at the bottom and has a hell of a lot shorter ladder to climb to work their way up with the teams they play, schedule games with the SEC, XII, PAC 10 and that ladder will get a hell of a lot longer...
CFB Fan said:
posted on December 5, 2007 12:25 PM — 192.131.99.130 — link — abuse?
@45
coondawg1,
Well no wonder they are 62-2 at home!
I hate to say it, but that blue “Smurf Turf” AstroPlay field has to make any visiting team nausea’s.
WOW, that stuff is bluer than any “Kentucky Blue Grass” I have ever seen!
Does anyone know if Iowa, still has the visiting team’s locker room painted pink?
Zac said:
posted on December 5, 2007 2:18 PM — 209.36.193.14 — link — abuse?
FromUVM (Post 36) and K-Hue, an Elite-8 format is OK. I like a Top-10 format, if for no other reason, WVU gets in.
Consider this scenario based upon an average of the polls from an earlier thread:
1. OSU
2. LSU
3. OK
4. GA
5. VA Tech
6. USC
7. MO
8. KS
9. WVU
10. HIPreliminary Round
HI at MO; WVU at KS
1st Round
Cotton Bowl: OSU vs. KS/WVU winner, Sugar Bowl: LSU vs. HI/MO winner, Rose Bowl: USC vs. OK, Gator Bowl: VA Tech vs. GA
2nd Round
Orange Bowl: Gator Bowl winner vs. Cotton Bowl winner
Fiesta Bowl: Rose Bowl winner vs. Sugar Bowl winner
BCS Championship Round
Fiesta Bowl winner vs. Orange Bowl winner
Just a thought...
TE
posted on December 5, 2007 3:17 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
62-2 at home against nobodies...I watched them play Nevada at home this past year...They of the Wilt Chamberlain look-alike at quarterback...
An 18 year old version of Matt Jones absolutely embarassed college football defensive coordinators everywhere, as they put up basketball numbers, and ridiculous total offensive numbers, and eked out a win against a seriously bad team...
Boise's garbage...I understand the any given Saturday mindset...and with teams like Utah or Hawaii that utilize a gimmick offense the likes of which you won't see again the rest of the year, they can present a schematic problem to your defense, but as far as on a program, talent, or being worthy enough basis, your argument is a bad joke...
But, don't let the fact that your delivery is as non-lucid as your entire point is deter you...we welcome all comers here at FanBlogs...You are entitled to your own silly opinions as I am to mine regarding Bo Pelini...
posted on December 5, 2007 5:06 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
gOSU27 and others: FYI, there were 33 different national championship selectors in business last year, with four different champions selected, including one vote for Ohio State, two for USC, one for Boise State, and the rest for Florida. Betcha didn't know there were that many, huh?
Evidently, national champion selectors are like belly buttons and opinions--everybody has one. Why couldn't we? The vast majority of these not even professional sportswriters have heard of. To my knowledge, no blog has sponsored a NC before, we could be the first. After all, Forbes.com calls us ...the best blog dedicated to a single sport, right?
Credibility wouldn't be an issue, since 98% of these selectors lack it, too. We would be in it for the press and ego satisfaction, pure and simple. You never know, maybe our champion might buck CW and go viral on everybody. FANBLOGS.COM PICKS NOTRE DAME AS 2007 NC
ZAC: Remember earlier in the year, or maybe it was late last year, when a few of us discussed the idea in a little detail on a particular thread? I've done some google searches to try to find it, but I'm coming up with zilch. Do you remember?
I remember proposing that we not have a democracy style vote, where anyone could sign on and vote, where it's one big popularity contest, a la American Idol but instead to select an electorate, if you will, of contributors who post regularly on here, for them to cast votes. You have to pay your dues first before your opinion is warranted. This way we could avoid the drive-by posters and riot-inciters who occasionally grace our pages.
There are some guys on here who seriously know some college football. Most are homers, only knowing their team, but knowledgeable just the same.
Kevin: I forgot what we talked about with our trophy. I remember something about touring it around. Damn, I wish I could find that thread(s).
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 5:13 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
TE 62-2 AGAINST A BUNCH OF NOBODIES! MAYBE U R RIGHT! But why does USC play the VANDELS instead of BSU? Why did MICHIGAN turn Hawaii away for APP. ST? Big 10 needs a big nonconference game. "Who is the smallest winningst team we can go destroy in their stadium?" Jim Tressel asked. 1. THE BIG EAST 2. BSU 3. BYU 4. TCU 5. Hawaii 6. Troy 7. UTAH 8. Fresno St. NOPE! I want Akron, BGSU, Youngstown{like APP. STATE if they beat LSU at LSU} NEVER!
Wk1b25 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 5:37 PM — 75.118.53.199 — link — abuse?
USC plays idaho instead of BSU because they are already playing a schedule with 8 teams at least that have the talent level of BSU. There is a reason BSU gets smoked by BCS teams everytime they go on the road to face them...
@ Oregon State - destroyed
@ Georgia - out of the game before the 1st quarter was over
@ South Carolina - same
@ Arkansas - got smoked again
they even lost @ Washington this year, the same Washington that was destroyed by the same Ohio State team you claim is afraid of Boise and the like.
Look at their past and future schedules
02 Texas Tech, Washington State
03 NC State, Washington
04 @ NC State
05 Texas, Cincinnati
06 @ Texas, Cincinnati
07 @ Washington
08 @ USC
09 USC
Those are the kinds of games Boise plays and loses by 30 in, don't talk trash about the USC's, Ohio State's, Michigan's and Florida's of the world who play 10 teams as talented as Boise every year, until Boise can actually beat a team of that caliber more than once in it's history.Wk1b25 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 5:37 PM — 75.118.53.199 — link — abuse?
USC plays idaho instead of BSU because they are already playing a schedule with 8 teams at least that have the talent level of BSU. There is a reason BSU gets smoked by BCS teams everytime they go on the road to face them...
@ Oregon State - destroyed
@ Georgia - out of the game before the 1st quarter was over
@ South Carolina - same
@ Arkansas - got smoked again
they even lost @ Washington this year, the same Washington that was destroyed by the same Ohio State team you claim is afraid of Boise and the like.
Look at their past and future schedules
02 Texas Tech, Washington State
03 NC State, Washington
04 @ NC State
05 Texas, Cincinnati
06 @ Texas, Cincinnati
07 @ Washington
08 @ USC
09 USC
Those are the kinds of games Boise plays and loses by 30 in, don't talk trash about the USC's, Ohio State's, Michigan's and Florida's of the world who play 10 teams as talented as Boise every year, until Boise can actually beat a team of that caliber more than once in it's history.
posted on December 5, 2007 7:31 PM — 205.188.116.136 — link — abuse? said:
I don't know about the retro-active thing, but we could start next year. Maybe Kevin will give us a thread to discuss it and perhaps someone might be able to shed some additional light on it.
CRAZY POSTERS TRYING TO PIMP FANBLOGS FOR NC SELECTOR
We'd need to raise some money for a trophy of some sort, and for some advertising. On second thought, maybe we wouldn't need advertising if we're online. Perhaps we could be promoted by some of the more prominent homer blogs?
We'd need a few of the regular suspects representing the various conferences/regions. We could get you to cover the Big Easiest, (sorry) Tommie Trojan to cover the Pac10, and 38 guys to cover the SEC. That should about do it! :-)
Buckeye 4 Ever said:
posted on December 5, 2007 8:56 PM — 65.60.236.132 — link — abuse?
coondawg1 (#55),
According to WEA, there are 33 national championship selectors.
If you feel so strongly about Boise State having a share of the 2007 MNC, why not create your Peoples Champs NC you mention, for the 34th selector.
By the way, Troy Smith earned his Heisman last season.
GA Boy said:
posted on December 5, 2007 10:32 PM — 97.89.26.241 — link — abuse?
coondawg
From someone who watched Boise St get destroyed between the hedges a couple of years ago, I don't think I can give anything you post an ounce of credit. With all the hype for Boise St going into that game, I was just embarrassed for them.
I think with a month to get ready for that tricked up offense, the DAWGS will put it on Hawaii about the same way.GO DAWGS!!
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 10:41 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
This is my poll the only one that matters. I got GAMEPLAN and watch at least some of every game. 1. HAWAII 2. KANSAS 3. GEORGIA 4. LSU 5. VTECH 6. FLORIDA 7. OKLAHOMA 8. OSU 9. BOISE STATE 10. MISSOURI 17. USC 21. ILLINOIS 22. UCF 23. APPALACHIAN STATE 24. CLEMSON 25. WISCONSIN
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 10:47 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
GA BOY REMEMBER THE NEXT YEAR WHEN THE BULLDOGS CAME TO BOISE AND GOT THE SAME TREATMENT? NO, THATS RIGHT, THE BRONCOS ARE STILL WAITING COACH RICHT. AND IF GA BEATS HAWAII CONGRATS CUZ YOU JUST WON THE NON BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 5, 2007 11:14 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
For Hawaii and WAC Comference to celebrate New Years night. Brennan 450 yds. 5tds. 2picks[not for 6] Warriors D needs a pick 6 or at least down to the five. Geogia D gets tired of chasin those awesome WRs. Shut down Moreno or keep him under 200. Georgia punts 7-8 times. Geogia miss two FGs. HAWAII34 vs. GEORGIA31 Colt Brennan #1 Draft Pick. PEACE!
posted on December 6, 2007 9:31 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
Hawaii was .03 BCS points above #12 Florida, .187 BCS points above #13 Illinois.
Multiplying this by 3*25*60 gives the number of points in teh coaches poll to change this, with the Harris Poll and computers remaining the same.
This is 135 Coaches Poll points to be below Florida, and 841 Coaches Poll points to be below Illinois.
The WAC has three coaches by my count in the Coaches Poll. Even if they had five we are talking about 25 unearned points in the Coaches Poll. This isn't even enough to put them below ASU.
Not to mention that every one else is doing it.
The BCS conferences have twice as many votes in the Coaches poll per team in the conference. Why shouldn't the WAC have twice as much bias to level the field?
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 10:31 AM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
BIG BEN PRATHER, YOU DA MAN! EVERYTHING YOU SAID PLUS EVERYTHING I SAID MEANS HAWAII SHOULD BE IN THE BCS TITLE GAME. RIGHT!
Just to clear sumthin up. I know USC, OSU, OK, Texas, Notre Dead, Michigan have 50x more talent than the WAC. They got the best players $MONEY$ can buy! That is why it is such a great accomplishment for BOISE ST. or HAWAII to take down GOLIATH! At the start of the game their basically playing GOLIATH with both hands tied behind their back. WAC Coaches Keep up the good work. 1 day the WAC will have an automatic bid as they should already.
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 12:23 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
I thought i would never hear such idiotic ignorance from one person,....and then i found this Coon character on his knees sucking of the WAC while commenting on this blog.
1st of all, you have no obvious knowledge of college football at all. My high school (Southlake Carrol, Texas) would be reining champs of the C-USA, WAC, MAC, BALL SACK or whatever those made up conferences are.
I go to Tennessee, who beat Georgia, but I still believe Georgia and USC should be playing for a title because they are THE two best teams. (Sorry Ohio State, you played a WAC schedule this year, #1 is not deserved)
Every year, the top five is determined by which SEC teams beat the shit out of each other the most and allow Big Ten, ACC, and Big East teams to slip in. I ligitimately believe that Ole Miss would contend with OSU, ive seen them wear down LSU multiple times.
Example: Florida beat the hell out of Tennessee, Tennessee killed Georgia, Georgia beat Florida, South Carolina beat Georgia and Kentucky, Tennessee beat Kentucky and South Carolina.
And those are just sec EAST games of the top of my head.The point is that the top 5-6 teams come from the same conference every year and just do not get their fair chance to prove it.
The only way to fix it would be to fix the system, a playoff that has no under-representation of conferences, then will see if you still want to talk about the WAC.
JG #11
-P.S. what round do record breaking Hawaii quarterbacks get drafted in again? oh thats right they don't....What about Boise State Quarterbacks? Oh right cut from the team my bad W-worst A-athletic C-conference
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 1:58 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
EVERBODY AGREES WITH COONDAWG1! LET ME HEAR YA!
Just remember this the last 2 years UNDEFEATED LIVES HERE IN THE WAC COFERENCE! DEAL WITH IT AND BOW DOWN.. YOU ARE EMBARRISSING YOURSELF TRYING TO DENY BOISE STATE! NEXT YEAR HAWAII HEADS TO GATORLAND FOR RESPECT, BOISE ST. BCS TITLE, AND COLT BRENNAN HEISMAN TROPHY FROM TEBOY.Bigger choke job? Erik Ainge vs. LSU or Steve Slaton vs. Pitt
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 2:44 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
why are you defending shitty teams? Georgia will destroy Hawaii and next year Florida will and if Boise State want some more they can go back and bend over like they did in 2005,...you have no argument, the teams suck, the athletes are garbage and dont do anything deal with it, you lost you suck
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 2:45 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
why are you defending shitty teams? Georgia will destroy Hawaii and next year Florida will and if Boise State want some more they can go back and bend over like they did in 2005,...you have no argument, the teams suck, the athletes are garbage and dont do anything deal with it, you lost you suck
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 6, 2007 2:50 PM — 216.46.213.124 — link — abuse?
coondawg1, Hawaii does'nt play in a conference with an automatic bid and the voters gave them a BCS bowl....that IS respecting Hawaii, and they will get their chance this year to prove they are as good as advertised.
As for next year........you know the swamp holds 90,000 +...........Hawaii's heads are going to rattle!! IT'S GOING TO BE LOUD!!! AND HAWAII IS GOING TO GET A DOSE OF "BIG TIME FOOTBALL".
I actually read a post by someone who thought Hawaii played as tough a schedule as Ohio State.....I will give TWO resaon why Ohio State's was tougher.....110,134 Penn state fans and 111,941 Michigan fans.........what WAC stadium is half that big?
Tomcat said:
posted on December 6, 2007 3:13 PM — 69.148.199.64 — link — abuse?
#75 Good Post- Go Dragons
Do the coons in Hawaii climb coconut trees?
Does the big kahuna breed red bone hounds?
What does a coon hide bring in Honalulu?
Does Hawaii play a tough Schedule ?
I honsetly beleive that you could put Hawaii against the bottom of the XII & SEC and they would be lucky to win a single game.
Ole Miss & Baylor would whup them and Miss St and OK State would destroy them.
Now they get their chance against the UGA Dogs in a game. Good luck Rainbows
If yall played in a real league against the likes of Oklahoma,Missu,Texas.Kansas, Texas Tech Etc.Etc. Yall would be lucky to have a 3-9 season.coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 3:57 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
#80 Appalachian State, him just a little guy, him not afraid of all those Michigan fans, him got outta there with a win. Notre Dame got alot of fans too. I guess there unbeatable at home. Fresno State would humiliate the Irish.
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:05 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
OU RON YES IT IS LONELY AT THE TOP. AND UNDEFEATED IS A TITLE WE CARRY BUT SOMEBODY GOTTA DO IT! IT SURE WAS LONELY LAST YEAR IN TENNESSEE WHEN ME AND MY HUSBAND PARTIED FOR MONTHS AFTER THE FIESTA BOWL! There is still room for OU fans on the WAC bandwagon.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:09 PM — 216.46.213.137 — link — abuse?
#85......Is that all you got?......Appalachian??........they would wrap Brennan around their finger and toss him in the Pacific!!
Actually you should have seen the Appalachian kicker when he came onto the field.....when he looked up at the crowd his eye's were as big as Chase Daniels attitude =).......don't underestimate what homefield advantage will be like in the swamp.
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:14 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
Southeastern Conference (SEC) History
Founded: 1932
National Championships: 8
Auburn: (1) 1957
Florida: (2) 1996, 2006
Georgia: (1) 1980
LSU: (2) 1958, 2003
Tennessee: (2) 1951, 1998
Heisman Winners: 8
1942 Frank Sinkwich Georgia RB Sr.
1959 Billy Cannon LSU RB Sr.
1966 Steve Spurrier Florida QB Sr.
1971 Pat Sullivan Auburn QB Sr.
1980 George Rogers South Carolina RB Sr.
1982 Herschel Walker Georgia RB Jr.
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB Sr.
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB Sr.
Western Athletic Conference (WAC) History
Founded: 1962
National Championships: 0
Heisman Winners: 0
There you go coon now shut up,...but i have to say now that I know your a woman, your lack of football knowledge kinda makes sensecoondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:20 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
I know how good APP. ST. is. they would destroy the whole little 11 and give LSU a fight. North Dakota St. should move into the little 11 theyd go 6-6 their first. AND ABOUT APP ST KICKER HE WALKED INTO THE BIG HOUSE AND WAS IMPRESSED BY ALL THE FANS AND SPIT IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY AND CONFERENCE FACE. AND ENJOYED THE PURE DISGUST ON THEIR FACES. NEXT YEAR MAYBE MICHIGAN CAN WIN THE REMATCH IF THEY CAN GET SOME COCONUTS FROM COLT BRENNAN AND THE WARRIORS. BUT THEY WONT.
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:21 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
2007 Schedule
@La. Tech
@UNLV
Charleston So.
@Idaho
Utah St.
@San Jose St.
New Mexico St.
Fresno St.
@Nevada
Boise St.
WashingtonDoes this look like a Sugar Bowl Worthy Schedule?
What about this one....
Oklahoma State
South Carolina
W. Carolina
@Alabama
Mississippi
@Tennessee
@Vanderbilt
Bye
@Florida
Troy
Auburn
Kentucky
@Georgia TechUndeserving,...but it really doesnt matter, we'll see it on the field,...i just hope colt brenan tell his mom he loves her before he place a team that doesnt with a mid-west state and also ending in "state" or "southern"
CFB Fan said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:44 PM — 192.131.99.130 — link — abuse?
@ 90
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse,
Technically, the Heisman won by George Rogers of South Carolina, was before they joined the SEC in 1992.
Brigham Young’s, Ty Detmer won the 1990 Heisman when BYU was still a member of the Western Athletic Conference.
Also, Brigham Young won the 1984 MNC as a member of the Western Athletic Conference.
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 4:58 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
HAWAII schedule if teams didnt back out.
@Michigan
@Louisiana Tech 6-6 in big 10
Utah State kinda like Minn, Nwestern
USC Maybe they lose but Stanford didnt
@Idaho
@San Jose State beat Stanford
Michigan State
@Fresno State like Pinn st. Wisconsin
Nevada
@New Mexico St.
Boise State
Washington11-1 puts them right there with OSU and Kansas
Hotty Toddy said:
posted on December 6, 2007 5:10 PM — 75.105.128.37 — link — abuse?
...am I actually seeing someone actually try to match up the WAC against the SEC?
Are you KIDDING me?
Hawaii's a good team, sure. But they're gonna get a mudhole stomped in them by Georgia, don't kid yourself. Before those Hawaii lineman can even look up after the snap, those Georgia defenders will have already blown by them. And the only way they'll know that much is because all that long hair will be blowing in a sudden wind.
Props to Colt Brennan, even though he plays in one of the worst conferences in college football.
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 5:14 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
no not at all your wrong
youve resorted to fictional scenarios and apparently in your fictional scenario there are no polls or computers, you just decide who goes where.
but ill play your little game to maybe see if you will come out of your lil messed up football world that you think exists.
1.) Michigan- Loss
2.) Louisiana Tech- Shitty team congrats on the win
3.) Utah State- yea kinda like Minn? what!? whatever Minn. was 1-11 this year. Win, but a win that doesnt mean anything.
4.) USC- 56-10 minimum, absolute blow out
5.) Idaho- win, yay potatoes
6.) San Jose State- Win- the team was 5-7 for god sakes and Hawaii beat them by a touchdown.
7.) Fresno St.-Win (nothing like Penn St. or Wisconsin at all)
8.) Michigan State- LOSS (Beat Pitt, Notre Dame, Purdue, AND Penn State)
9.) Nevada- Win
10.) New Mexico State- Win
11.) BSU-Win
12.) Washington- lucky Win2007 Modified Hawaii
8 wins 3 losses, bad schedule
Unranked, Holiday Bowl Boundcoondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 5:21 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
dude a bunch of book worms beat USC are you kiddin. FUSC should been on probation for paying players. Reggie cant run between the tackles Bush. 56-10 nope 50-42 if that. But besides Boise thats the only even possible loss.
SEC-1stepaboveeveryoneelse said:
posted on December 6, 2007 5:30 PM — 216.96.150.137 — link — abuse?
You are seriously retarted, have you ever seen an SEC team play in person, or a team like USC, (by the way Reggie is in the pros now idiot, i know it take awhile for telegrams to make it out to the wac) the speed is completely different Colt would have ZERO protection by those somoas. If you believe that it would be possible for Hawaii to put 42 points on USC or ANY SINGLE sec team, then your stupid and not as butch as I though you were, find a new hobby. You just dont understand i dont know why you cant get it through your head damn
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 5:33 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
I ALREADY SAID THE PATRIOTS CANT GO UNDEFEATED IN THE SEC. I GOT AN IDEA. JUST HEAR ME OUT. WHAT IF THE WAC CHAMP VS. MOUNTAIN WEST CHAMP PLAYED LIKE A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND THE WINNER GETS AUTOMATIC BCS BID TO FIESTA OR ROSE OR EVEN SUGAR BUT NOT ORANGE. CANT GET FANS OVER THAT FAR.WHAT IS THE RECORD OF NON BCS TEAMS IN BCS GAMES? HELLO, MY SMART COLLEGE FOOTBALL BUDDIES! UNDEFEATED, UNTOUCHABLE, PERFECT! WHO CAN SAY THAT!
TE
posted on December 6, 2007 5:41 PM — 204.68.245.11 — link — abuse? said:
coondawg...Since you want to throw out stats, put together Boise State's record since 1999, and then compile their opponents combined W/L percentage and total W/L gross stats...
I'd hang up and listen, but I can already tell you...It's way, way WAY below .500...and no BCS Conference is going to listen to you...
You'd like to say your team is hot snot on a silver platter, but reality bears out that its merely a cold booger on a paper plate...
You're wading into the deep end and acting like you can swim...But, you're the only one who can't see the floaties on your arms...
You play in a SORRY conference. You play SORRY games, and you have a marginal at best program. If you played a schedule along the lines of a BCS conference school, you'd be skulldrug by the likes of Baylor, UConn, Vandy, etc...
You're like a fly buzzing around our face...You can make noise...and you might even bother some people every now and again...But, ultimately, you're going to get crushed when you go up against a flyswatter, 90% of the time...
(My apologies...My metaphor meter was redlining in that last message, everyone!)
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 5:48 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
BRONCOS CANT HELP THE FACT EVERYONE IS CHICKEN SH$# TO COME TO BOISE. THE BEAVERS DID LAST YEAR. AND WAIT A MINUTE, I THINK... YEAH, BABY IAN JOHNSON JUST SCORED AGAIN. AND USC LOST 3 WEEKS LATER TO OREGON STATE SO EAT POOP! HOMEY!
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 6, 2007 7:45 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
OK You want the truth? You cant handle the truth. I saw Boise St. Broncos play back in 98' and adusted TV to change color cuz of the blue turf. I said "one day these dudes will git a big bowl game and their not gonna get blown out." They can score. People laughed. I wear a #5 Zabransky jersey. GA killed us. People laughed. Lost to BC, last minute pick. People pointed and laughed. I prayed just to get in the BCS last year. I shut my mouth and took the verbal abuse for a month. All I said, " were gonna score, we dont kick field goals." 4th and 18, touchdown, I lost it. I knew it didnt matter if they won, what mattered out there is theres greatness in places you would never know there was. Dont believe a team is the best cuz ESPN or ABC tells you that. Have a open mind and you never know, you might be the underdawg in the world and if your the best then everyone will know your #1.
Tomcat said:
posted on December 6, 2007 7:51 PM — 69.148.199.64 — link — abuse?
Hey coondog1 I thought you liked Hawaii, guess I was wrong you are a Bois St fan no doubt.
I really have to admit I like the folks in Rustin La and the Hawaii warriors somehow pulled off the upset victory over the mighty La Tech Bulldogs- So your right Hawaii must be #1
We were wrong and you win we lose.The UGA Bulldogs are shaking in their boots at the fear of facing Los Rainbows De Hawaii Those devils will reap havic and cause the CFB world to recognized the greatness.-Okay whatever-Ya Right
Hookem-HornsTomcat said:
posted on December 6, 2007 11:59 PM — 68.93.140.127 — link — abuse?
Bless your heart coondog1 you go girl sound like a true fan-enjoying your posts
Hey T-Mac Na man I never heard of Mr T cereal, but next month you can get Weaties with either Boise St or Hawaii on the box
#117 astepaboveverone except in the class deptartment-Rude-Crude-tasteless
Adios Tomcat
posted on December 7, 2007 10:12 AM — 150.176.192.1 — link — abuse? said:
Take the 6 BCS computer rankings. Each one has a ranking of the conferences. Find the average and variance for each computer conference rating.
Compute a z-score for each conference and average the 6 z-scores to generate a BCS-like conference compairison.
Here are the results:
SEC: 1.166
Pac 10: 0.954
Big East: 0.876
Big 12: 0.807
ACC: 0.795
Big 10: 0.709MWC: -0.009
WAC: -0.706
MAC: -1.073
IND: -1.097
Sun Belt: -1.267Wolfe uses a maximum likelyhood method, that an abuse of notation could be used to measure a team against a conference.
Hawaii would be 9-3 in a 12 game schedule of average SEC teams this year.
This indicates Georgia deserves to be strongly favored over Hawaii. Just like Oklahoma deserved to be strongly favored over Boise State last year.
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 7, 2007 12:13 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
Looks like my wife told you jerks what time it is. WAC #1 UNDEFEATED LIVES HERE AND HERE ONLY! I love it. If you play D1 and go undefeated you have to be in a BCS game. Dont give me a 9-3 Ill over 10-2 Boise in the Rose. Dont give me 10-2 team who lost to Stanford! If tradition matters on who's #1 this year give it to Notre Dame. If HAWAII takes down the DAWGS then look no further and "CROWN THE NEW KINGS OF CFB"
June Jones coach of the year! No Doubt
SEC: Sorriest Ever Conference! Now that's funny
Take away Vince Young and Texas is nuthin.
Oregon Cal are a fraud and will get skulldrug by BYU and S. Florida. S. Florida would destroy USC at Rose Bowl. Look at USC schedule, WHOOPIE! What look tough in the preseason is now an effen joke.
M GO BLUE said:
posted on December 7, 2007 12:52 PM — 216.46.210.177 — link — abuse?
coondawg1, Hawaii is getting respect, they are not in a BCS conference, yet they were given a BCS bowl, and Hawaii is going to get a chance to prove either how good or how bad they are, BUT Hawaii should not get a championship bid because they did not earn it.......
Would you really like to know why I don't think Hawaii is championship calibur???
Boise state is ranked 78 in recruiting right now......
Hawaii is ranked 86 in recruiting.......Illinois recruits more talent on a regular basis than does Hawaii......you can go ahead and shoot your mouth off about illinois, but they play in a BCS conference......and untill Boise and Hawaii play a full schedule in a BCS conference they won't get the respect of a BCS team.
coondawg1 said:
posted on December 7, 2007 1:26 PM — 68.114.136.135 — link — abuse?
Ranked 10, with a "giant killer" win over boise st, undefeated, teams with 1,2,3, losses ahead of the them is not respect, its a joke. If boise st was in the fiesta again or in the Rose, thats RESPECT!
Ann Arbor will be doing cartwheels tonite if Richmond can take down Goliath, Appalachian St.
Good Luck Wolverine guy, and dont forget to watch tonite to see real ballers. Dont feel too bad about that loss, they would have done the same thing to the Buckeye Boys.
Will you guys ever win a bowl game again?OU-Ron
posted on December 7, 2007 1: said:
VTBobb said:
posted on December 4, 2007 4:34 PM — 76.160.240.10 — link — abuse?Oh, oh, oh. I got it. Let's discount all rankings for team's within the coaches own conference.
OK, let the hysteria begin...